excessing teachers?

Can someone please explain to me what exactly it means to be excessed and if there is any protection against it.... you know how rumors go at work...

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I "believe" excessing generally occurs when a school's attendance drops enough to no longer warrant the number of teachers that are currently on staff.

I assume it's done by area and seniority.

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It means though that you no longer have a job in that district, correct?

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Message edited 5/31/2007 5:24:57 PM.

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Excessed pretty much means your fired - typically though, if the district then re-opens a position, you have first shot at it!

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IF you are excessed in NYC I believe they have to keep paying you until you have a job...So you may go to the region until you have found a job.

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Well you could be excessed because of low registers or budget cuts.....the least senior teachers are the first to go. They must then go back into the open market and interview for jobs.....if you do not find another job by the end of the summer you stay at the school you are in on their payroll and basically sub until you find a placement.

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is that just true for NYC? I'm on LI

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LI definitely excesses teachers, too - but I think it is much rarer. You would need a major decline in attendance to warrant excessing teachers. And I think only 4 budgets failed this year, so I don't know if districts could argue $$ reasons.

As far as I know on LI, once you are excessed, that is it, you are on your own. They don't "owe" you anything, unlike NYC.

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Once you are excessed on LI they don't have to pay you or offer you a sub list. They place you on a list and if a job opens up in the area you were excessed from, you have first dibs on that job.

My friend was excessed although she was already tenured - it was truly unexpected. And no, our budget didn't fail - they just decided to divert monies into other departments.

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I don't know if you get dibs on anything in NYC anymore- there are no more seniority transfers. We have someone who was excessed with 17 years (it was a licensing thing- music teacher) and he can't get a school to hire him. So he fills in for absent teachers.

On the one hand, in NYC at least, you won't have stability in your program, but you'll at least get your regular pay.

And FYI, our enrollment never goes down, but we're only getting funded for 28 teachers next year (as opposed to the 37 we have this year).

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Being excessed is like being laid off... not fired... being fired is usually when you do something wrong... when you are excessed/laid off it means your position is no longer needed... you can get unemployment and BY LAW for a certain amount of years if that job opens back up the district is REQUIRED to offer that position to you first (if not you can sue)... as far as getting put on sub lists, that depends on the contracts in the individual districts...

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This is my 6th year teaching and this may be the first time (knock on wood) that I wasn't excessed! I have been hired back every year but it still stinks to have to pack up your classroom and not know what school you will be in or what grade you will teach.

So far I have taught 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th. I always joke and say that my goal is to work in every school and teach every grade! One silver lining is that I have become friendly with a larger network of teachers because of all this bouncing around. Wherever they stick me, I will know someone in the building.

More seasoned teachers have told me that it was much worse years ago. One year, many teachers were excessed and a few had to per diem sub for a year or two until something opened up! There are a few in my district who were excessed last year and not hired back but at least they were given leave replacements.

FM me if you have any questions.

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i've been excessed.

if you're not tenured, you're not entitled to any protection and the union can't do anything for you.