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Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I think it's complete BS that you can't know ahead of time of the salary range they are offering.
I've always thought it's ridiculous to waste time on an interview not even knowing until you're offered the job of the $.
Isn't it a big waste of time for both parties?
Why do they do this?
and, more importantly, why CAN'T an interviewee ask about the salary during the interview? Why is it such a big no-no?
I guess I just get angered when some companies ask you to disclose your current salary or past salaries yet you go into the interview knowing next to nothing of what they will offer.
Am I alone in my thinking?
Am I wrong?
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Posted 9/16/11 7:31 PM  |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Nope! I've always asked. I also ask about the benefits right away. No sense in wasting everyones time if it's not what I'm looking for or need.
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| Posted 9/16/11 7:39 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I am no longer in a hiring capacity, however, I've started to be very honest with people when they ask me.
I know salaries can vary for different or in some cases, the same role at my agency, so it's hard for me to say what that will be if people ask, however, one thing I have started to be very upfront about is they don't contribute much to health insurance AT.ALL.
I think this is very important to be up front about, because for me, 1/2 my paycheck each week goes to health insurance, even though if you were a social worker and heard my salary alone, you'd think I was doing good for myself.
There are also many other questions I will absolutely now ask about the position in advance because often, companies will not necessarily come out and tell you.
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1.) Amount of field work involved.
2.) Is there a company vehicle?
3.) How far are you expected to travel and how often?
4.) Are you expected to put clients in your personal vehicle.
5.) On-call policy.
6.) Work schedule.
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| Posted 9/16/11 9:07 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Because they want people who want the job because it's what they want to do, not money-mongers
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| Posted 9/17/11 1:42 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by Mrs213
Because they want people who want the job because it's what they want to do, not money-mongers
I'm sorry, but this is BS. I have had to pay for degrees and continual training to remain qualified for what I do. Not to mention that if I did not care about salary, I would volunteer. My bills do not care that I do my job for the "love" of it...they expect to get paid. There is NOTHING wrong with knowing your worth and making sure you are compensated for your experience, education, skill set, etc.
ETA: Having been on the hiring end, I do not want to waste my time or an applicants time if we are not even in the same ballpark.
Message edited 9/17/2011 7:22:58 AM.
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| Posted 9/17/11 7:22 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by Mrs213
Because they want people who want the job because it's what they want to do, not money-mongers
I'm sorry, but this is BS. I have had to pay for degrees and continual training to remain qualified for what I do. Not to mention that if I did not care about salary, I would volunteer. My bills do not care that I do my job for the "love" of it...they expect to get paid. There is NOTHING wrong with knowing your worth and making sure you are compensated for your experience, education, skill set, etc.
ETA: Having been on the hiring end, I do not want to waste my time or an applicants time if we are not even in the same ballpark.
I totally agree. The last interview I went on, it was like a $20K A YEAR pay cut, they expected me to sign in and out of the office each day, was about a 60 mile round trip to the office alone, and they wanted me to put clients IN my car who were in wheel chairs and had seizures, amongst other medical issues.
My caseload would've been from Manhasset to Montauk.
I'm sorry, but many social workers barely make a lot of $$$$ as it is......I would think we would want to at least be able to make ends meet and MAYBE be able to put a little bit into savings.
I WISH the hiring person had let me know all of these things up front.
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| Posted 9/17/11 8:02 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by Mrs213
Because they want people who want the job because it's what they want to do, not money-mongers
That is hysterical.
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| Posted 9/17/11 8:38 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by Mrs213
Because they want people who want the job because it's what they want to do, not money-mongers
Not every single profession is something "noble" that people do just for the joy and not for the money.
I'm sure people who pick up trash don't think "I just do NOT care the amount I'm being paid, I'm doing this because I really really want to pick up trash for a living!"
Salary is important and people need to pay their bills, so why wouldn't one want to know the salary up front to see if it will work with their living situation and financial obligations?
I don't see how that makes someone a "money-monger" at all.
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| Posted 9/17/11 9:30 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I ask about salary when they call me for the 1st interview. It's over the phone which makes it easier. I do it in a polite way after asking more about the job itself, to first show I am interested. Everyone has to make a living, this is life. But I don't want to waste their time or mine, so I ask first. If the salary is totally out of my ballpark, I decline the interview.
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| Posted 9/17/11 11:01 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
DH always asks what the salary is when he gets a call about a potential job. If they refuse to disclose he makes sure to tell them what he expects to get paid.
He refuses to waste his time.
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| Posted 9/17/11 11:01 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I think they also want a chance to rope you in if they know the pay is crap!
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| Posted 9/17/11 11:10 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Mrs213
Because they want people who want the job because it's what they want to do, not money-mongers
Not every single profession is something "noble" that people do just for the joy and not for the money.
I'm sure people who pick up trash don't think "I just do NOT care the amount I'm being paid, I'm doing this because I really really want to pick up trash for a living!"
Salary is important and people need to pay their bills, so why wouldn't one want to know the salary up front to see if it will work with their living situation and financial obligations?
I don't see how that makes someone a "money-monger" at all.
I am saying from their point of view not mine. I also think they might have room to negotiate salary based in experience etc and want to wait to get a feel for the person etc...
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| Posted 9/17/11 11:13 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by Mrs213
I am saying from their point of view not mine. I also think they might have room to negotiate salary based in experience etc and want to wait to get a feel for the person etc...
Have you ever been in "their" position? I have. I would not want to try and trick someone into coming in for an interview and then rope them in and pay them less than they are worth. It's a complete waste of time and money, and it builds an awful reputation for the company.
A job is worth a certain amount of money. A company gets approval to pay $X.00 for Y position. They know what they can pay before they even advertise the opening most times. Usually if there is any negotiation, it is with benefits, PTO, bonuses, etc. It also costs a company money to advertise, interview and hire a new employee. If you use tactics that waste time, you are in essence wasting the company's money.
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| Posted 9/17/11 12:29 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I agree with the above poster too.
I also feel the need to ask now because I have usually worked in the city before, so salaries can vary greatly for my field.
I kinda think it's complete BS, especially if it's the same position, responsibilities and high COL but that is another thread!!
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| Posted 9/17/11 1:32 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by Mrs213
I am saying from their point of view not mine. I also think they might have room to negotiate salary based in experience etc and want to wait to get a feel for the person etc...
Have you ever been in "their" position? I have. I would not want to try and trick someone into coming in for an interview and then rope them in and pay them less than they are worth. It's a complete waste of time and money, and it builds an awful reputation for the company.
A job is worth a certain amount of money. A company gets approval to pay $X.00 for Y position. They know what they can pay before they even advertise the opening most times. Usually if there is any negotiation, it is with benefits, PTO, bonuses, etc. It also costs a company money to advertise, interview and hire a new employee. If you use tactics that waste time, you are in essence wasting the company's money.
Yes I have been in that position thanks
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| Posted 9/18/11 12:22 AM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I conduct about 10-15 interviews per week.
I have ads out everywhere, craiglist and careerbuilder.
I ask that when people send me their resume they include their salary requirements or history.
This is extremely important because i know what the job is paying. If i know the max is 40k a year then I don't call the resumes with salary requirements of 60k plus
If someone doesn't list it, i call them and speak with them further and i have to ask them the most important question.
I would never want someone to take something that they couldn't pay their bills with. cause i know it wouldn't last and they would be looking for something else and we are looking for long term.
It is a huge waste of time for me to bring someone in for an interview if the company can not pay them what they are looking for, no matter what qualifications they have and how much experience. If its not in the budget theres nothing i can do.
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| Posted 9/18/11 4:33 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I hire people (for part time so this may be different), but we discuss the pay on the initial phone screen. I definitely don't want to waste my time and theirs.
I've had times when I've had to interview and even train (our training is a pre-requisite to employment, not everyone passes training) people other people did the initial screens for and either the pay expectations were not made clear or the prospective employee just didn't accept it and I've had people try to confront me about the pay.
One nightmare was during the first training session I asked if anyone had questions and one woman (at the time she'd recently lost her job after Lehman fell), decided to ask me in a confrontational manner why the pay is so low and keep going, not accepting the answer and she riled up the other trainees and they were trying to turn the training into a discussion about how unfair it is that we don't pay more. Well, there's the door, people, sorry. It was not only a colossal waste of time for me and everyone involved, but it was a really unpleasant experience. I think it's much better if all parties can be up front about it
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| Posted 9/21/11 1:45 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
I interview people all of the time.
On the phone interview, I ask for their salary history & what range they're looking for.
I strongly suggest doing phone interviews so no one is wasting anyone's time
Everyone should be prepared with their w2s & 1099s to back up their salary history - because we ask for those as confirmation.
I don't think it's necessary for a private company to publish their salaries. If you want that kind of information, work for a public company or government entity.
Also there is nothing wrong with asking for the salary range of the position in your interview as long as it's done the right way. The way I'd handle it is to say something along the lines of "I'm looking for a base of x. Is that within the salary range for this position."
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| Posted 9/22/11 5:50 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Salary band should be posted as should the cost of health benefits. I agree with you.
People work for money plain and simple
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| Posted 9/23/11 6:50 PM |
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Re: Speaking of salary discussions and interviews...I think it's COMPLETE BS - (and maybe someone in HR can answer this for me)
Posted by MrsM-6-7-08
I conduct about 10-15 interviews per week.
I have ads out everywhere, craiglist and careerbuilder.
I ask that when people send me their resume they include their salary requirements or history.
This is extremely important because i know what the job is paying. If i know the max is 40k a year then I don't call the resumes with salary requirements of 60k plus
If someone doesn't list it, i call them and speak with them further and i have to ask them the most important question.
I would never want someone to take something that they couldn't pay their bills with. cause i know it wouldn't last and they would be looking for something else and we are looking for long term.
It is a huge waste of time for me to bring someone in for an interview if the company can not pay them what they are looking for, no matter what qualifications they have and how much experience. If its not in the budget theres nothing i can do.
I could have written this word for word. If a company is not disclosing the salary up front, it would raise huge questions marks for me. Same goes for an applicant who does not want to be up front about their salary information, both current and past.
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