Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

I think the loss of Pedro is far worse for the Mets than the loss of Randy is for the Yankees. If Johnson is out for the season I'm actually a little relieved by it because I didn't feel as if we could rely on him anyway. By him not being able to pitch it allows the Yankees to rework their rotation and bullpen options knowing that he's not going to be there. Of course even a bad Johnson is still better than Wright or Lidle but I just don't trust Johnson in this postseason.

To me the Mets not having Pedro is just a devastating loss to them. I heard so many Mets fans say all season that they want Pedro on the mound for game 7 of the world series, meaning he's their clutch pitcher. I think losing him at this point may be a killer for the Mets in the post season.

Any thoughts?

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

BY far Pedro is the worse of the two...

IMO Mets are going to need solid pitching to get them through the playoffs

I do not have that much faith in Glavine at all.

I think offensively that the Mets have a great lineup...BUT they needed Pedro defensively. And people can say that he was on the DL for a lot of time this year and they still made it...
But IMO in their hearts they know this is a big hit.


Randy...i partly think we are better off. Yes we are down a man...Making the rotation harder...But i just never thought he did anything to help this team out

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

i thought about this since the news came out about pedro, and then about randy

i think it's equal for both teams

it hurts equally

but, the loss of pedro, as far as the mets are concerned, isn't as bad to me, as i originally thought

for a couple of reasons

1. duque and glavine are both experienced big game, playoff pitchers. Yes, they're iffy. But, they both know how to turn it on in the playoffs. Trachsel makes me sweat, but he's got one of the best records this year, any why is that? Run support. The offense put us where we are today, not necessarily the defense.

I will say that the number 4 spot, whether it be John Maine or whoever is a bit weak.

2. You have to remember that the Mets won a lot of their games this season without Pedro. True, he's a huge force and yes, he'd be great on the mound in game 7. But, I don't believe he's the whole team and the whole reason for our success because he's been gone for so long.

3. In my circle, the Yankee fans I know (and I know this doesn't hold true for all of you), have whined and cried and said, "Earlier in the season, when we were struggling, it was because we didn't have Sheff and Matsui in the lineup." Now, if we lose, I can use the same excuse.

And, if we win, I don't have to hear, "well you needed to buy Pedro to win a championship."

I like it this way, no matter what.

ETA: of course, I WILL have to hear "we needed a former Yankee pitcher to win"

but whatever - -six of one half dozen the other.

I'll take the Met four and match em against the Yankee four any day. And I think it's an even match.

Message edited 9/30/2006 1:55:30 PM.

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Posted by CaptainCharisma424

i thought about this since the news came out about pedro, and then about randy

i think it's equal for both teams

it hurts equally

but, the loss of pedro, as far as the mets are concerned, isn't as bad to me, as i originally thought

for a couple of reasons

1. duque and glavine are both experienced big game, playoff pitchers. Yes, they're iffy. But, they both know how to turn it on in the playoffs. Trachsel makes me sweat, but he's got one of the best records this year, any why is that? Run support. The offense put us where we are today, not necessarily the defense.

I will say that the number 4 spot, whether it be John Maine or whoever is a bit weak.

2. You have to remember that the Mets won a lot of their games this season without Pedro. True, he's a huge force and yes, he'd be great on the mound in game 7. But, I don't believe he's the whole team and the whole reason for our success because he's been gone for so long.

3. In my circle, the Yankee fans I know (and I know this doesn't hold true for all of you), have whined and cried and said, "Earlier in the season, when we were struggling, it was because we didn't have Sheff and Matsui in the lineup." Now, if we lose, I can use the same excuse.

And, if we win, I don't have to hear, "well you needed to buy Pedro to win a championship."

I like it this way, no matter what.

ETA: of course, I WILL have to hear "we needed a former Yankee pitcher to win"

but whatever - -six of one half dozen the other.

I'll take the Met four and match em against the Yankee four any day. And I think it's an even match.

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

and met fans, i heard last night that pedro is out for 8 months and is having rotator cuff surgery on tuesday

he will not be back till June 2007.

And I agree with the above. This wasn't a sudden thing. It's not like he was pitching well all season and then went down last minute. That would have been much worse, because it would have thrown everything off.

After Pedro's start a few weeks back when he first came back, you could tell he was shaky. I am sure the Met brass began putting Plan B in place at that point

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

oh...so his career isn't over huh?

guess i read MISinformation somewhere

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

DEFINITELY NO RANDY HURTS MORE! Pedro's numbers pale in comparison to Randy's. He'll hardly be missed, Randy WILL be missed! It's pretty B&W! 17 wins to 9...


Full Name: Randall David Johnson
ERA:
5.00
W-L:
17-11
SAVES:
0
SO:
172


Full Name: Pedro Jaime Martinez
ERA:
4.48
W-L:
9-8
SAVES:
0
SO:
137

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

can you really compare their stats when Pedro wa on the DL for as long as he was?

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Also.
the yanks have
Wang..19w and 6l IP218.0

Mussina...15w 7l IP197.1


Which both are better than pretty much ALL of the Mets pitchers

so i still think the hurt it worse for the Mets

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Redhead

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Redhead

can you really compare their stats when Pedro wa on the DL for as long as he was?

Yes, because the question is which hurts more. And obviously, the fact that Randy was winning more and healthy for most of the season hurts more. Pedro being out stinks, but it isn't terrible since he was hurt.

but IMO you can't compare their stats

Not when one pitched far more games and inings than the other

albeit due to injury but as far as the excellence of the player himself..

Martinez is superior imo

But how can you not? The question is so simple...which hurts more. If Pedro was healthy, maybe him being out would be far worse, but that's not the case THIS SEASON, so it's simple. Randy hurts more.

Message edited 10/1/2006 3:34:42 PM.

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

that is when you are just comparing pitching..

Hitting...well this is where the Mets do excel...And where they will get their wins from i presume


ETA...don't get me wrong..I see how the the Mets are doign without Pedro.

BUT i think that not having him will be an issue..defensively speaking.

Message edited 10/1/2006 3:35:43 PM.

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Posted by Redhead

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Redhead

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Redhead

can you really compare their stats when Pedro wa on the DL for as long as he was?

Yes, because the question is which hurts more. And obviously, the fact that Randy was winning more and healthy for most of the season hurts more. Pedro being out stinks, but it isn't terrible since he was hurt.

but IMO you can't compare their stats

Not when one pitched far more games and inings than the other

albeit due to injury but as far as the excellence of the player himself..

Martinez is superior imo

But how can you not? The question is so simple...which hurts more. If Pedro was healthy, maybe him being out would be far worse, but that's not the case THIS SEASON, so it's simple. Randy hurts more.

But WHO does the Mets have now?
Glavine? ok somewhat good yet not all that reliable

Traschel? again...IMO not as good

Both IMO are worse than the Yankee pitchers MINUS Randy

SO i think that the Mets defensively have more problems without Martinez
than the Yankees without Johnson

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

I forgot about El D....

well...then i guess i stand corrected..

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

Re: Which hurts more, no Pedro or no Randy?

The DH is a HUGE Met fans as well...

And when he heard Pedro was out..HE WAS ******..
I mean getting him on the team spending that money for him..
For when the first shot they got at a WS win the man is out.

I HATE Pedro..I am not a fan of Randy Johnson either ...

So this should be extremely interesting playoffs and WS games to say the least