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LuckyStar
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LuckyStar
I am vaccinated. It’s a condition of my employment (healthcare). Being fully vaccinated has always been a condition of my employment and I am well aware that I will cease to be employed if I refuse a vaccine.
I support the vaccine. I support the scientists who all but abandoned their families to develop it. Who did NOT get rich, regardless of what laypeople think. The data, both published and unpublished, of which I am qualified to review and interpret, does show efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death. As with any vaccine, it’s efficacy will waver depending on how a virus mutates and there is no way to be 100% clear as to the variables that come into play during mutation. So for me, healthcare or not, I’d choose to get vaccinated. I also 100% support the vaccine mandate for healthcare workers. Why? Because we took our jobs agreeing to be “fully vaccinated.” The majority of healthcare workers will have some rudimentary understanding of basic science (I would hope) and would be able to grasp the concept that viruses don’t care about a vaccine schedule and the definition of “fully vaccinated” is fluid.
But for private industry, in non public facing roles, which have never had a vaccine requirement I think that’s some gray area. If someone was hired into their job with no medical requirements to meet, it’s a hard sell to do it now.
Us vaccine supporters need to stop shoving the vaccine down peoples throats. We need to listen and understand where they are coming from. If people can’t see why others may be hesitant, they’re blind. I disagree with much of how the vaccine has been marketed and I can see why someone would refuse it. Not being able to understand this doesn’t mean you know more about the science, it means you lack the emotional intelligence to understand someone else’s perspective.
For anyone on either side of the coin, I suggest taking a look at ZZDogMD and Doctor Mike. They’re “medical influencers,” which, yes, I know sounds absurd but I actually think bringing accurate, non preachy information to the general public is brilliant.
Yes 100%. You were hired under the assumption you would be vaccinated per your institutions rules. I have no problem with that. I have the problem with a data entry clerk being forced to vaccinate for something that was not part of their employment agreement.
See this is my thing. Yes, you have to abide by the conditions of employment you were HIRED under You took the job KNOWING them.
But what if you took the job and then mid stream they decide- guess what now you need to be vaccinated?
That's not right.
I would have never taken said job knowing that.
And in terms of legal precedence ..it's still early.
I'm curious to see what lawsuits come out of these private companies who feel they can mandate these vaccines because it's within their rights.
A few years from now we'll have some legal precedent as I am SURE there will be lawsuits to settle.
ETA- another thing I'm curious about...so we know the pharmaceutical companies can't be sued for vaccine injury. But what if your job forces you to get the vaccine and you get injured by it. Can you sue your company?
All things for these corporations to consider when mandating this.
Right. They are not the same. Ultimately, I don’t really see how an employer can change the rules if there were never medical requirements stipulated as part of the employment agreement. Now, for NEW employees, they may be able to get away with it because the prospective employee is informed prior to hire.
I don’t see why someone couldn’t attempt to sue under those circumstances provided a doctor found their injury to be related to the vaccine.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LuckyStar
I am vaccinated. It’s a condition of my employment (healthcare). Being fully vaccinated has always been a condition of my employment and I am well aware that I will cease to be employed if I refuse a vaccine.
I support the vaccine. I support the scientists who all but abandoned their families to develop it. Who did NOT get rich, regardless of what laypeople think. The data, both published and unpublished, of which I am qualified to review and interpret, does show efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death. As with any vaccine, it’s efficacy will waver depending on how a virus mutates and there is no way to be 100% clear as to the variables that come into play during mutation. So for me, healthcare or not, I’d choose to get vaccinated. I also 100% support the vaccine mandate for healthcare workers. Why? Because we took our jobs agreeing to be “fully vaccinated.” The majority of healthcare workers will have some rudimentary understanding of basic science (I would hope) and would be able to grasp the concept that viruses don’t care about a vaccine schedule and the definition of “fully vaccinated” is fluid.
But for private industry, in non public facing roles, which have never had a vaccine requirement I think that’s some gray area. If someone was hired into their job with no medical requirements to meet, it’s a hard sell to do it now.
Us vaccine supporters need to stop shoving the vaccine down peoples throats. We need to listen and understand where they are coming from. If people can’t see why others may be hesitant, they’re blind. I disagree with much of how the vaccine has been marketed and I can see why someone would refuse it. Not being able to understand this doesn’t mean you know more about the science, it means you lack the emotional intelligence to understand someone else’s perspective.
For anyone on either side of the coin, I suggest taking a look at ZZDogMD and Doctor Mike. They’re “medical influencers,” which, yes, I know sounds absurd but I actually think bringing accurate, non preachy information to the general public is brilliant.
Yes 100%. You were hired under the assumption you would be vaccinated per your institutions rules. I have no problem with that. I have the problem with a data entry clerk being forced to vaccinate for something that was not part of their employment agreement.
See this is my thing. Yes, you have to abide by the conditions of employment you were HIRED under You took the job KNOWING them.
But what if you took the job and then mid stream they decide- guess what now you need to be vaccinated?
That's not right.
I would have never taken said job knowing that.
And in terms of legal precedence ..it's still early.
I'm curious to see what lawsuits come out of these private companies who feel they can mandate these vaccines because it's within their rights.
A few years from now we'll have some legal precedent as I am SURE there will be lawsuits to settle.
ETA- another thing I'm curious about...so we know the pharmaceutical companies can't be sued for vaccine injury. But what if your job forces you to get the vaccine and you get injured by it. Can you sue your company?
All things for these corporations to consider when mandating this.
Right. They are not the same. Ultimately, I don’t really see how an employer can change the rules if there were never medical requirements stipulated as part of the employment agreement. Now, for NEW employees, they may be able to get away with it because the prospective employee is informed prior to hire.
I don’t see why someone couldn’t attempt to sue under those circumstances provided a doctor found their injury to be related to the vaccine.
Yes - before NYC mandated the vaccine for city workers, the new members of the FDNY had to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (not sure about the other city agencies).
They are now talking about mandating the booster for city workers in April.
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| Posted 2/11/22 9:06 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by ali120206
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LuckyStar
I am vaccinated. It’s a condition of my employment (healthcare). Being fully vaccinated has always been a condition of my employment and I am well aware that I will cease to be employed if I refuse a vaccine.
I support the vaccine. I support the scientists who all but abandoned their families to develop it. Who did NOT get rich, regardless of what laypeople think. The data, both published and unpublished, of which I am qualified to review and interpret, does show efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death. As with any vaccine, it’s efficacy will waver depending on how a virus mutates and there is no way to be 100% clear as to the variables that come into play during mutation. So for me, healthcare or not, I’d choose to get vaccinated. I also 100% support the vaccine mandate for healthcare workers. Why? Because we took our jobs agreeing to be “fully vaccinated.” The majority of healthcare workers will have some rudimentary understanding of basic science (I would hope) and would be able to grasp the concept that viruses don’t care about a vaccine schedule and the definition of “fully vaccinated” is fluid.
But for private industry, in non public facing roles, which have never had a vaccine requirement I think that’s some gray area. If someone was hired into their job with no medical requirements to meet, it’s a hard sell to do it now.
Us vaccine supporters need to stop shoving the vaccine down peoples throats. We need to listen and understand where they are coming from. If people can’t see why others may be hesitant, they’re blind. I disagree with much of how the vaccine has been marketed and I can see why someone would refuse it. Not being able to understand this doesn’t mean you know more about the science, it means you lack the emotional intelligence to understand someone else’s perspective.
For anyone on either side of the coin, I suggest taking a look at ZZDogMD and Doctor Mike. They’re “medical influencers,” which, yes, I know sounds absurd but I actually think bringing accurate, non preachy information to the general public is brilliant.
Yes 100%. You were hired under the assumption you would be vaccinated per your institutions rules. I have no problem with that. I have the problem with a data entry clerk being forced to vaccinate for something that was not part of their employment agreement.
See this is my thing. Yes, you have to abide by the conditions of employment you were HIRED under You took the job KNOWING them.
But what if you took the job and then mid stream they decide- guess what now you need to be vaccinated?
That's not right.
I would have never taken said job knowing that.
And in terms of legal precedence ..it's still early.
I'm curious to see what lawsuits come out of these private companies who feel they can mandate these vaccines because it's within their rights.
A few years from now we'll have some legal precedent as I am SURE there will be lawsuits to settle.
ETA- another thing I'm curious about...so we know the pharmaceutical companies can't be sued for vaccine injury. But what if your job forces you to get the vaccine and you get injured by it. Can you sue your company?
All things for these corporations to consider when mandating this.
Right. They are not the same. Ultimately, I don’t really see how an employer can change the rules if there were never medical requirements stipulated as part of the employment agreement. Now, for NEW employees, they may be able to get away with it because the prospective employee is informed prior to hire.
I don’t see why someone couldn’t attempt to sue under those circumstances provided a doctor found their injury to be related to the vaccine.
Yes - before NYC mandated the vaccine for city workers, the new members of the FDNY had to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (not sure about the other city agencies).
They are now talking about mandating the booster for city workers in April.
So my BIL is DSNY and was forced to get the shot. He is now being treated for heart issues he never had prior and his cardiologist advises him to NOT get the booster. I'm wondering if that can be used to exempt him from getting it when it's mandated for them.
It may not matter because his heart issues are preventing him from returning to work anyway ...but it's really disturbing to think he could lose his job over something that possibly injured him
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Imacoolmom
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by lululu
Posted by Sash
Posted by beachbabe
Posted by Hofstra26
I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.
I feel the same way. It's disappointing to see how selfish so many people are.
Anyone who has gotten vaccinated is being selfish.. it only protects yourself. Everyone is selfish in their own way. People need to get a grip and stop being so judgmental. The selfishness isn’t the problem. Its the judgement, self-righteous behavior that’s the problem. That is the reason we are divided.
I agree - what exactly makes someone selfish? Ultimately everyone did what was best for themself and their family. What I wish is that people would stop being so JUDGEMENTAL. Worry about yourself and stop worrying about others - i.e. be selfish!
I think the stress of the pandemic coupled with the insanity surrounding our last election had a lot of people on edge. This country needs to get back to accepting differences of opinion but getting along anyway.
Stress is no excuse to call people stupid, selfish. etc. The fact that everyone is so convinced nowadays that they are RIGHT without even hearing the other side is crazy to me. We have lost the concept of being open minded. I was even called a racist because I said that I agreed with some of Trump's policies. People on here have said that if you are a Republican you automatically a racist. It's disturbing. This country seems to far gone to ever be what it once was.
Both sides are guilty of this. The left and right are both so extreme. Each side just wants to right.
People against the vaccine judge the same way that people for the vaccine judge those who aren't.
And then there are the normal people in the middle.
But so many people are just looking to be RIGHT and that is true for BOTH sides.
I think people in the middle have abandoned these conversations because they just are not productive on any level.
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| Posted 2/14/22 9:25 AM |
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lululu
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by Imacoolmom
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by lululu
Posted by Sash
Posted by beachbabe
Posted by Hofstra26
I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.
I feel the same way. It's disappointing to see how selfish so many people are.
Anyone who has gotten vaccinated is being selfish.. it only protects yourself. Everyone is selfish in their own way. People need to get a grip and stop being so judgmental. The selfishness isn’t the problem. Its the judgement, self-righteous behavior that’s the problem. That is the reason we are divided.
I agree - what exactly makes someone selfish? Ultimately everyone did what was best for themself and their family. What I wish is that people would stop being so JUDGEMENTAL. Worry about yourself and stop worrying about others - i.e. be selfish!
I think the stress of the pandemic coupled with the insanity surrounding our last election had a lot of people on edge. This country needs to get back to accepting differences of opinion but getting along anyway.
Stress is no excuse to call people stupid, selfish. etc. The fact that everyone is so convinced nowadays that they are RIGHT without even hearing the other side is crazy to me. We have lost the concept of being open minded. I was even called a racist because I said that I agreed with some of Trump's policies. People on here have said that if you are a Republican you automatically a racist. It's disturbing. This country seems to far gone to ever be what it once was.
Both sides are guilty of this. The left and right are both so extreme. Each side just wants to right.
People against the vaccine judge the same way that people for the vaccine judge those who aren't.
And then there are the normal people in the middle.
But so many people are just looking to be RIGHT and that is true for BOTH sides.
I think people in the middle have abandoned these conversations because they just are not productive on any level.
Absolutely it's both sides. I think there's a problem when you go too far left or too far right.
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