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rileysmama
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a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
not looking to start drama, but just wondering how the gov't and etc have donated so much already to Haiti but how many people are still struggling here in America from Hurricane Katrina.
From what I know, Katrina victims had to beg for help and the gov't was so slow moving to respond...I know it was a different administration, but people still are trying to rebuild their lives there it seems.
I just get so confused sometimes.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
not for nothing, you are talking about two totally different things.
i understand your point but nothing will top what happened in haiti (i hope not). so it (katrina) happened in our country so its a couple of more points to katrina but this is different.
You are talking about 100,000 + deaths vs. 2000. You are talking about water vs the ground moving. There is a major difference in quality of life. And nobody expected Katrina to be bad. Only reason why it got bad was because the levy's broke. The levy's breaking is a whole other story for a different day.
and this is in no way negative..just stating the differences between the two events.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
What I think is that Haiti is a 3rd World country. The level of poverty there is mind blowing. Life expectancy is below 40 yrs old. Malnutrition & HIV kills almost 1/2 of the population. There is major corruption in the government and as a result, the government would never be able to rebuild this country.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
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not for nothing, you are talking about two totally different things.
i understand your point but nothing will top what happened in haiti (i hope not). so it (katrina) happened in our country so its a couple of more points to katrina but this is different.
You are talking about 100,000 + deaths vs. 2000. You are talking about water vs the ground moving. There is a major difference in quality of life. And nobody expected Katrina to be bad. Only reason why it got bad was because the levy's broke. The levy's breaking is a whole other story for a different day.
and this is in no way negative..just stating the differences between the two events.
While I agree with you on one hand, Katrina was expected to be that bad. One of the biggest problems was that the residents didn't believe it. My dh's family lives there and while some left, others felt that it was just going to be another bad rainstorm.
In addition, there was time to prepare for Katrina. The earthquake just happened. Two very different natural occurances.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by BigB
While I agree with you on one hand, Katrina was expected to be that bad. One of the biggest problems was that the residents didn't believe it. My dh's family lives there and while some left, others felt that it was just going to be another bad rainstorm.
In addition, there was time to prepare for Katrina. The earthquake just happened. Two very different natural occurances.
Sorry, yes, we knew it was a Cat 4-5 but if the levy's didn't break..thats when it got serious..if there was no flood.. perhaps Gulf Coast would be different.
Yes, the hurricane would of damaged stuff but like insurance adjusters did, a flood damaged the house/killed people.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by BigB
What I think is that Haiti is a 3rd World country. The level of poverty there is mind blowing. Life expectancy is below 40 yrs old. Malnutrition & HIV kills almost 1/2 of the population. There is major corruption in the government and as a result, the government would never be able to rebuild this country.
ITA... not that the people in New Orleans and MIssissippi still wouldn't benefit from help, but the poorest of America's poor is still wealthy in comparison to a Haitian where the annual per capital is $520.00. people there sell some of their children just so the littlest ones can eat. we have a government in place that can absorb a crisis like Katrina...they don't. as devastating as Katrina was, you just can't compare the two IMO.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by BigB
Posted by BabyBoy
and this is in no way negative..just stating the differences between the two events.
While I agree with you on one hand, Katrina was expected to be that bad. One of the biggest problems was that the residents didn't believe it. My dh's family lives there and while some left, others felt that it was just going to be another bad rainstorm.
In addition, there was time to prepare for Katrina. The earthquake just happened. Two very different natural occurances.
I was asked the question, why did you donate to Haiti, but not to Katrina victims. my thinking, weren't the people warned about the hurricane and told to evacuate? I couldn't really remember , but it's totally different situation. Haiti had absolutely no warning.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
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I was asked the question, why did you donate to Haiti, but not to Katrina victims. my thinking, weren't the people warned about the hurricane and told to evacuate? I couldn't really remember , but it's totally different situation. Haiti had absolutely no warning.
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One of the problems with Katrina (New Orleans) was that the population that ended up staying, for the MOST part, didnt have any money to get in a car, bus etc. They didnt have money for a hotel.
Most of the people who stayed in
New O were the poorest of the poor of THAT community. The majority that stayed back didnt have the financial means to get out.
I am not comparing the 2 incidents,
just commenting on the New O question.
All of it is very tragic and mind numbing.
eta: And yes, New O did have warning.....its all just heartbreaking...
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
I guess I'm the only one who does find it a little disturbing that people in our own country waited for help for so long, but people in another country are getting our help very quickly. It really doesn't matter to me that the people in Haiti are much poorer because it was our OWN country and they weren't really responded to appropriately. I think my issue lies in the poor handling of the Katrina aftermath, not so much that we're helping out Haiti.
I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't help Haiti, actually, I think it's great. I just think the whole New Orleans thing was handled very poorly.
And I donated to both causes, and would never hesitate to donate to a nation or group of people in that situation or in the situation of the people in NO.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by prncsslehcar
I guess I'm the only one who does find it a little disturbing that people in our own country waited for help for so long, but people in another country are getting our help very quickly. It really doesn't matter to me that the people in Haiti are much poorer because it was our OWN country and they weren't really responded to appropriately. I think my issue lies in the poor handling of the Katrina aftermath, not so much that we're helping out Haiti.
I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't help Haiti, actually, I think it's great. I just think the whole New Orleans thing was handled very poorly.
And I donated to both causes, and would never hesitate to donate to a nation or group of people in that situation or in the situation of the people in NO.
and that's exactly how i feel, but i just couldn't put it into words without sounding horrible. but yes, this is how i feel.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by rileysmama
Posted by prncsslehcar
I guess I'm the only one who does find it a little disturbing that people in our own country waited for help for so long, but people in another country are getting our help very quickly. It really doesn't matter to me that the people in Haiti are much poorer because it was our OWN country and they weren't really responded to appropriately. I think my issue lies in the poor handling of the Katrina aftermath, not so much that we're helping out Haiti.
I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't help Haiti, actually, I think it's great. I just think the whole New Orleans thing was handled very poorly.
And I donated to both causes, and would never hesitate to donate to a nation or group of people in that situation or in the situation of the people in NO.
and that's exactly how i feel, but i just couldn't put it into words without sounding horrible. but yes, this is how i feel.
agreed. both are horrific disasters, but we must take care of our own also.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by maybesoon
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Posted by BabyBoy
and this is in no way negative..just stating the differences between the two events.
While I agree with you on one hand, Katrina was expected to be that bad. One of the biggest problems was that the residents didn't believe it. My dh's family lives there and while some left, others felt that it was just going to be another bad rainstorm.
In addition, there was time to prepare for Katrina. The earthquake just happened. Two very different natural occurances.
I was asked the question, why did you donate to Haiti, but not to Katrina victims. my thinking, weren't the people warned about the hurricane and told to evacuate? I couldn't really remember , but it's totally different situation. Haiti had absolutely no warning.
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So because the victims of Katrina had warning you didnt donate to the relief effort? I am seriously floored by this thought process. This is natural disaster we are talking about, even the warnings couldnt predict what damage Katrina would do.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
the difference is that the best day in haiti before the earthquake was on par with the worst day of Katrina.
The state of LA has emergency service personnel, the national guard, our own military, functioning hospitals and Drs in other major surrounding areas. All had someplace to evacuate to eventually, and roads to get there.....they went to Texas, Fl, Georgia, all over. The people of Haiti are literally STUCK there, the DR has even blocked off its borders to refugees. There are NO supplies even on a good day there.
Poor and destitute there, is very different from poor here in the US.
Yes, the RESPONSE to Katrina was mortifyingly slow, BUT we did have the resources to respond and the means to evacuate the injured and trapped.
There are an esitmated 100,000 people dead, had the response in Haiti, in a country where their own people and government couldnt help if they wanted too, the likelihood of a million people dying would have been very likely.
ETA: for the record, I donated equally to the red cross for both disasters, as well as the tsunami.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by lullabella
So because the victims of Katrina had warning you didnt donate to the relief effort? I am seriously floored by this thought process. This is natural disaster we are talking about, even the warnings couldnt predict what damage Katrina would do.
Katrina, They stopped trains, buses and planes from coming in to pick up these people and so many poor people had no transportation out of there... It was crazy. The builder of my house was finishing up, he needed 3 more days so he set us up in a hotel until the house was finished... And just like that people from LA flooded the hotel and I was like what's going on, why so many people coming in from LA... Adults, Children and Pets oh my, all over the lobby... I never ever seen anything like that before...
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
I don't think that the people of Haiti shouldn't get the help, but I believe in taking care of our own country and population and it's the response time, to me, that is upsetting. Of course we should be helping Haiti for all the reasons stated above, but it doesn't, in any way, excuse the poor job this country did at helping it's own people after Katrina.
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Posted by prncsslehcar
I don't think that the people of Haiti shouldn't get the help, but I believe in taking care of our own country and population and it's the response time, to me, that is upsetting. Of course we should be helping Haiti for all the reasons stated above, but it doesn't, in any way, excuse the poor job this country did at helping it's own people after Katrina.
I think a lot of the issues with the Katrina response stemmed from the lack of competence and preparation of Michael Brown, the head of FEMA. And IMO it wasn't a huge priority for President Bush. I still have issues with the way Katrina was handled.
Flame away. 
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by prncsslehcar
I guess I'm the only one who does find it a little disturbing that people in our own country waited for help for so long, but people in another country are getting our help very quickly. It really doesn't matter to me that the people in Haiti are much poorer because it was our OWN country and they weren't really responded to appropriately. I think my issue lies in the poor handling of the Katrina aftermath, not so much that we're helping out Haiti.
I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't help Haiti, actually, I think it's great. I just think the whole New Orleans thing was handled very poorly.
And I donated to both causes, and would never hesitate to donate to a nation or group of people in that situation or in the situation of the people in NO.
You're not the only one. You just said it better than I could have.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
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I think a lot of the issues with the Katrina response stemmed from the lack of competence and preparation of Michael Brown, the head of FEMA. And IMO it wasn't a huge priority for President Bush. I still have issues with the way Katrina was handled.
Flame away.
no flames here. I still have very raw wounds from Katrina. To me, its still unbelievable how these victims were treated...our so called refugees.
I have to admit, when people started helping haiti, i was in disbelief that people would actually think we could help haiti after what happened in NO.
Mothers with hungry babies, extreme heat wave, no water...no supplies were getting to them...yet somehow, some way, Harry Connick is seen walking the streets...Anderson Cooper is out reporting. Where was the food, water, diapers???
We, the people, stopped American citizens from crossing over an American bridge where food and water could be found. Turned around by armed men.
So, we did donate to haiti. It is awful, crazy what happened to them. But after Katrina, I now understand why we don't have universal healthcare, why we are behind on social services...people just don't care.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
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Posted by MrsProfessor
I think a lot of the issues with the Katrina response stemmed from the lack of competence and preparation of Michael Brown, the head of FEMA. And IMO it wasn't a huge priority for President Bush. I still have issues with the way Katrina was handled.
Flame away.
no flames here. I still have very raw wounds from Katrina. To me, its still unbelievable how these victims were treated...our so called refugees.
I have to admit, when people started helping haiti, i was in disbelief that people would actually think we could help haiti after what happened in NO.
Mothers with hungry babies, extreme heat wave, no water...no supplies were getting to them...yet somehow, some way, Harry Connick is seen walking the streets...Anderson Cooper is out reporting. Where was the food, water, diapers???
We, the people, stopped American citizens from crossing over an American bridge where food and water could be found. Turned around by armed men.
So, we did donate to haiti. It is awful, crazy what happened to them. But after Katrina, I now understand why we don't have universal healthcare, why we are behind on social services...people just don't care.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
I have to say, after the Tsunami, and the incredible amount of aid and organization the USA gave to those affected by the Tsunami, I thought that when Katrina hit, there may be more international support. I just didn't see it. I know the US is in such better shape than those affected by the Tsunami, but it didn't seem that we got a whole lot of international support. Heck, we didn't get a whole lot of national support.
This morning, at the gym I saw Bill Clinton and George W. Bush talking about their fundraising efforts in Haiti BEFORE the earthquake and what they are doing now- it seemed so hypicritcal in light of the US's own poor response to Katrina.
But the truth is, Haiti before the earthquake is probably comparable to Katrina after the storm. The country just lost at least 5% of its population. While its disgusting that while we didn't, the US could have taken care of its own. In Haiti, there is no one in there to help those in need, so the international community really does need to step in. There are people within Haiti's own government who are still missing- and frankly it was a pretty corrupt government.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
are you talking about international support or individual support?
I think there was a tremendous amount of individual support given during Katrina. I remember tons of people donating and packing up boxes and telethons, etc.
As for international support, Haiti's entire country is devestated. They have nothing; no armies from other parts of their country, no federal agency that can free up funds.
During Katrina, it was one small area of a large, strong nation (granted the federal/state/local response was poor). Haiti has no other option but to accept help from international armies. The US could not allow other countries' armed men to help patrol NOLA.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
If on any given day people would just donate $5.00 to a cause here in the USA maybe we could help with homelessness, or cancer research or any cause here in our country. It took a disaster for people to donate money to Haiti.
I donated to the Humane Society who are sending aid for the thousands of animals who are starving and dying there.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Instead of comparing the two, let's hope that we learned from our mistakes in Katrina and are able to do what is necessary for the victims in Haiti and future natural disasters.
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Posted by MrsSteflily
Instead of comparing the two, let's hope that we learned from our mistakes in Katrina and are able to do what is necessary for the victims in Haiti and future natural disasters.
well said
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Re: a question regarding donating $ to haiti vs. katrina victims
Both are devastating but Haiti is on a larger scale. To see thousands of people laying dead in the streets, to know that even with money generations who would help rebuild have been lost--it is estimated that 49% of Haiti is under 18. One was a state another is a country--apples to oranges. Katrina was mismanaged but we have resources that could have helped totally different for a country that has NO resources.
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