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GoldenRod
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AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-biden-cabinet-lloyd-austin-confirmation-hearings-82138242acd4b6dad80ff4d82f5b7686
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden is set to issue an executive order to reverse a Pentagon policy that largely bars transgender individuals from joining the military, dumping a ban ordered by President Donald Trump in a tweet during his first year in office, a person briefed on the decision tells The Associated Press.
Biden has been widely expected to overturn the Trump policy in his early days in office. The White House could announce the move as early as Monday, according to the person briefed on the decision who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the order.
The move to reverse the policy has the support of Biden’s newly confirmed defense secretary, retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, who spoke of the need to overturn it during his Senate confirmation hearing last week.
“I support the president’s plan or plan to overturn the ban,” Austin said. “If you’re fit and you’re qualified to serve and you can maintain the standards, you should be allowed to serve.”
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Even though the military is physical, it's much different than sports. In the military, they aren't all competing for one medal. They are all working together, so whatever assets they have, whether it's physical, mental, skillsets, etc, the military can use them.
Hopefully then can get this more permanent so soldiers aren't active or discharged based on the whims of the Commander in Chief.
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seaside
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
This is great news!
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| Posted 1/24/21 12:02 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Good. This is the right thing to do. There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep anyone from serving their country. This ban was just another one of Trump's hateful, backwards policies meant to satisfy his ignorant base. I am glad Biden is reversing it.
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| Posted 1/24/21 12:04 PM |
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RomeyT
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by Hofstra26
Good. This is the right thing to do. There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep anyone from serving their country. This ban was just another one of Trump's hateful, backwards policies meant to satisfy his ignorant base. I am glad Biden is reversing it.
Yeah, absolutely “no reason whatsoever” expect for the very unique healthcare needs of the transgender population. All branches of the military will not allow diabetics to enlist for similar reasoning. And, if you knew anyone who spent any amount of time in a combat theater, where luxuries such as toilet paper can be scarce, then you would be able to reason that it may not be wise and compassionate to send a person who is dependent upon hormones indefinitely to a war zone. It’s not just black and white.
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| Posted 1/24/21 12:28 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Good. This is the right thing to do. There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep anyone from serving their country. This ban was just another one of Trump's hateful, backwards policies meant to satisfy his ignorant base. I am glad Biden is reversing it.
Yeah, absolutely “no reason whatsoever” expect for the very unique healthcare needs of the transgender population. All branches of the military will not allow diabetics to enlist for similar reasoning. And, if you knew anyone who spent any amount of time in a combat theater, where luxuries such as toilet paper can be scarce, then you would be able to reason that it may not be wise and compassionate to send a person who is dependent upon hormones indefinitely to a war zone. It’s not just black and white.
You are making a very broad assumption that all transgender folk go through hormone therapy when they decide to "transition" which is NOT the case. In reality, only about 1 in 10 transgender individuals will actually take hormone therapy which means the VAST majority are not. Since we're talking about a very small subset of the population to begin with the likelihood of EVERY transgender solider needing hormone therapy would be infinitesimally small.
I do not agree with banning anyone from military service simply because of how they identify, that is not reason enough to disqualify anyone. Also, I am sure that gay, transgender, etc men and women have already been serving for years "undetected". Overturning this Trump ban is a good thing. Period.
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| Posted 1/24/21 12:56 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
I'm assuming that retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin knows slightly more about who can properly serve in the military than I can. If he agrees that it's a good idea, than I agree with him.
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| Posted 1/24/21 1:14 PM |
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RomeyT
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by GoldenRod
I'm assuming that retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin knows slightly more about who can properly serve in the military than I can. If he agrees that it's a good idea, than I agree with him.
You agree with one of the President’s
appointees? Shocking!
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| Posted 1/24/21 1:29 PM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by GoldenRod
I'm assuming that retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin knows slightly more about who can properly serve in the military than I can. If he agrees that it's a good idea, than I agree with him.
You agree with one of the President’s
appointees? Shocking!
You sure have a bee in your bonnet. It's a shame you have to create new user names but still can't play nice.
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| Posted 1/24/21 1:35 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by GoldenRod
I'm assuming that retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin knows slightly more about who can properly serve in the military than I can. If he agrees that it's a good idea, than I agree with him.
You agree with one of the President’s
appointees? Shocking!
You sure have a bee in your bonnet. It's a shame you have to create new user names but still can't play nice.
We are going to need to update the "Ignore the Troll" post. 
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| Posted 1/24/21 1:38 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by GoldenRod
I'm assuming that retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin knows slightly more about who can properly serve in the military than I can. If he agrees that it's a good idea, than I agree with him.
You agree with one of the President’s
appointees? Shocking!
You're saying that you know more about the military than an Army General?
Shocking!
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| Posted 1/24/21 1:56 PM |
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seaside
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by GoldenRod
I'm assuming that retired Army Gen. Lloyd Austin knows slightly more about who can properly serve in the military than I can. If he agrees that it's a good idea, than I agree with him.
Exactly. I will take a qualified, credentialed person's view of what's possible over the conjecure of random people on the internet every time. This troll thing is getting bad--it's the internet, so you never know who or what you're speaking to...but sometimes the immaturity/ignorance/toxicity of randos engulfs a board and starts to make it not worth sane people's precious time to engage. Hope TPTB are still on the job and care about that tipping point.
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| Posted 1/24/21 1:57 PM |
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lululu
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
I am not that familiar with Trump's policy on transgender people and the military but was it an actual executive order or just a tweet?
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Hofstra26
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by lululu
I am not that familiar with Trump's policy on transgender people and the military but was it an actual executive order or just a tweet?
More than a tweet, they were actually banned which is why Biden is signing an EO to reverse Trump's EO.
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GoldenRod
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by lululu
I am not that familiar with Trump's policy on transgender people and the military but was it an actual executive order or just a tweet?
Initiated by tweets, but it became an actual policy.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-announces-ban-on-most-transgender-service-members/
President Trump announced Friday a new transgender policy for the military that would ban most transgendered people from military service. He revoked the blanket ban announced last summer and said in a memorandum that he would defer to the recommendations of Defense Secretary James Mattis.
Mattis, according to a court filing Friday, stated that transgendered people with gender dysphoria -- that is, who feel their emotional and psychological identity to be the opposite of their biological sex -- will be disqualified from military service, except in specific circumstances.
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LittleDiva
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AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
It’s not like we have people knocking down the doors trying to get into the military. If these people are able to perform the job I don’t see why it should be an issue.
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queensgal
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
There are so many different types of jobs in the military. Many people won’t even see active combat. You know how many desk jobs/support jobs/logistics and supply jobs there are in the military? Why would it matter if these people were on hormones or any other type of medication, if they can perform their job?
This blanket law was just intended to discriminate and provide a small win to the bigots in the Republican Party.
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| Posted 1/25/21 2:58 AM |
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MC09
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Re: AP source: Biden to drop Trump’s military transgender ban
Posted by queensgal
Why would it matter if these people were on hormones or any other type of medication, if they can perform their job?
Because they don't want the taxpayers to pay for it.
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| Posted 1/25/21 5:06 AM |
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