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Bring Kids Into Bars? Article.

From last weeks NY Times. Thoughts?:

Bars and Babies Bars and Babies


As a 5-foot-4, dark-haired Jewish girl in her early 20s, I was never a minority in New York City until I moved to Park Slope, Brooklyn, where I seem to be one of the few childless residents.

While it might be enjoyable for outsiders to read books like “Prospect Park West,” which details the mommy culture run amok, it is a whole other sensation to be stuck with your latte next to a mother suckling her infant. Though I have grown adept at dodging double strollers and turning a blind eye to the toddlers who frequent my favorite cafes, I refuse to share my bar space — the last refuge for single Slopers — with infants.

No matter what breeders might think, bars are not family-friendly. If I am out drinking and sobbing about a bad breakup, I don’t want my cries to compete with those of an infant sitting next to me. If I go to the bathroom to correct my wayward mascara at the end of a long weekend night, I don’t want to watch a baby being wiped down on the soggy sink counter.

Nor do I want to be scolded by parents like the ones at the Gate, a favorite bar, where friends have witnessed a few mothers with toddlers actually wagging their fingers when young people cursed too loudly or got a little sloppy, while conveniently overlooking the fact that alcohol, blaring punk rock and drunken partiers are not pediatrician-approved.

I encountered my first pint-size patron last summer. My friend Mimi and I were at the Brooklyn Beer Experiment, a contest that required every entrant to cook or bake with beer or bring a home brew. I gladly waited in the long entry line at the club, a Gowanus spot known for its great drafts, ribald comedy nights and support of up-and-coming bands. After my ID was scrutinized and scanned, I entered the contest hall, where fellow 20-somethings were sampling the boozy treats.

An hour in, Mimi and I tipsily went to sit and discuss our favorites. As we walked to the quieter front area, I spotted a group of young parents standing in front of $500 baby carriages, shouldering their offspring. I watched, appalled, as a mother began to line up a set of bottles on the bar, right beside the taps.

We sat down and a baby toddled over to us. We pulled our drinks out of his grasping reach. As I looked over at the gabbing parents, I thought that this is what denial looks like. Rather than work day care, we drained our pints and left.

Though I’ve since tried to restrict my watering holes to places that publicly ban the too-young-to-jet set, like nearby Union Hall, I still have the occasional bar-baby encounter, the most recent one far from the fertile grounds of Brooklyn. At the Bohemian Hall and Beer Garden in Astoria, Queens, my friends and I watched in shock as a father changed his child’s diaper on a vacant table, pitying the person who would sit there next with a pilsner and kielbasa.

On the way back home, I pictured myself 10, maybe 15 years in the future, happily sipping my suds with friends at a neighborhood bar. We would be pretty much the same then as we are now — loud, maybe a little raucous, thankful for the escape from reality and happy in the knowledge that our children and their sitters were safe at home, where they belonged.

Risa Chubinsky lives in Park Slope and works as a subsidiary rights coordinator at Penguin Group (U.S.A.) in the West Village.

Posted 1/23/10 6:42 PM
 

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I think it's really interesting that because of how *we* (Americans) typically behave in bars they are not for kids. In Ireland, they hang out in pubs from the day they come out of the womb, smoke and all in the smaller places! Chat Icon Not to mention the pregnant ladies and their Guinnesses Chat Icon
But, pubs there serve a much different function then bars do here. There, they close at early hours (11pm I think) and it is where the whole town "gathers". I will say this much, though, saw much less of it in Dublin and Galway.
Anywho, I feel that children do not belong in bars for many reasons, only one of which is b/c adults need grown-up places to retreat to.

Posted 1/23/10 6:56 PM
 

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I think it's really interesting that because of how *we* (Americans) typically behave in bars they are not for kids. In Ireland, they hang out in pubs from the day they come out of the womb, smoke and all in the smaller places! Chat Icon Not to mention the pregnant ladies and their Guinnesses Chat Icon
But, pubs there serve a much different function then bars do here. There, they close at early hours (11pm I think) and it is where the whole town "gathers". I will say this much, though, saw much less of it in Dublin and Galway.
Anywho, I feel that children do not belong in bars for many reasons, only one of which is b/c adults need grown-up places to retreat to.



I agree. In London we see kids in bars all the time but only during the day. When the sun sets the kids get out!

We have a few bars we hang out in here in Manhattan. They all serve food and occasional people bring kids in. I can only remember one time where the kids were disturbing the other patrons. Most of the time I find kids here very well behaved. It's more of a shock when they aren'tChat Icon

Posted 1/23/10 7:05 PM
 

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I have no problem is a parent wants to bring a child in to a clearly adult place but this part bothers me....

Nor do I want to be scolded by parents like the ones at the Gate, a favorite bar, where friends have witnessed a few mothers with toddlers actually wagging their fingers when young people cursed too loudly or got a little sloppy, while conveniently overlooking the fact that alcohol, blaring punk rock and drunken partiers are not pediatrician-approved.

*I* should not have to taylor my behavior in a place that is for adults only because a parent doesnt approve of the language I am using around their child. If I was cursing like a sailor in Chucky Cheese then I can understand but a bar?? No way!

And I thought the drinking age in NY is 21?!?! when do we stop bring children to the bar and tell them they cant go anymore until they are 21??Chat Icon

Posted 1/23/10 7:15 PM
 

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Posted by Lisa

*I* should not have to taylor my behavior in a place that is for adults only because a parent doesnt approve of the language I am using around their child. If I was cursing like a sailor in Chucky Cheese then I can understand but a bar?? No way!



That's what stood out to me too with this article and I agree with you - completely out of line.

Posted 1/23/10 7:24 PM
 

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I know I don't belong on this board since we do have kids but honestly I think kids do NOT belong at a bar. One of the few occasions we had a sitter we went out for drinks and got ID'ed at the door, I was shocked when i saw kids were there. I said a curse word a little on the loud side and my dh nudged me to say "watch the mouth there are kids here" I was a little annoyed because on a night that is kid free night for us I honestly don't want to deal with children hence picking an adult location. If we went to Friendly's for some sandwiches I could understand the children but uhm a bar, not so much. I felt like I was in sweet home alabama "wow you have a baby in a bar"

Posted 1/23/10 8:17 PM
 

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I personally don't think bars are for kids! But it also depends on the bar.

If its a bar/restaurant like Donovan's or something to that nature.

That being said my parents are divorced and my Dad moved into Manhattan. We spent weekends with him and my stepmom and they brought us out with them all the time!

We loved it!

Posted 1/23/10 9:33 PM
 

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Posted by freshstuff

I know I don't belong on this board since we do have kids but honestly I think kids do NOT belong at a bar. One of the few occasions we had a sitter we went out for drinks and got ID'ed at the door, I was shocked when i saw kids were there. I said a curse word a little on the loud side and my dh nudged me to say "watch the mouth there are kids here" I was a little annoyed because on a night that is kid free night for us I honestly don't want to deal with children hence picking an adult location. If we went to Friendly's for some sandwiches I could understand the children but uhm a bar, not so much. I felt like I was in sweet home alabama "wow you have a baby in a bar"




I actually put this out to anyone who reads this board so NO reason at all to apologize! Chat Icon

Posted 1/23/10 9:34 PM
 

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There are certain parents out there who feel that NO place is off limits for their little *darlings*.

I went to see the movie Precious (if you haven't seen it, OMG its amazing but so not the movie for kids) and there were parents bringing in young kids! Chat Icon

give me a break!

Posted 1/23/10 9:54 PM
 

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Definitely would not think a bar is a place for a kid or baby.

If its primarily a bar for just adults -- definitely not. But sometimes you have bars that are open in the daytime/early evening for food, and families are welcome. Sometimes I can see a family coming in later for a meal, and staying when the patrons are mostly there for beer. (Example a place like Croxley's or Changing Times) If that's the case, I figure they aren't gonna be staying all night, so its not soooo bad.

But if its totally an adult bar and someone is bringing a toddler in, I definitely wouldn't like that and would not modify my behavior.

Posted 1/23/10 11:28 PM
 

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Posted by freshstuff

I know I don't belong on this board since we do have kids but honestly I think kids do NOT belong at a bar. One of the few occasions we had a sitter we went out for drinks and got ID'ed at the door, I was shocked when i saw kids were there. I said a curse word a little on the loud side and my dh nudged me to say "watch the mouth there are kids here" I was a little annoyed because on a night that is kid free night for us I honestly don't want to deal with children hence picking an adult location. If we went to Friendly's for some sandwiches I could understand the children but uhm a bar, not so much. I felt like I was in sweet home alabama "wow you have a baby in a bar"




I actually put this out to anyone who reads this board so NO reason at all to apologize! Chat Icon



Thank you, I read these boards because sometimes I feel I relate because I am not pg, my kids aren't babies anymore, plus I like getting perspective on different opinions on diff't subjects.

Posted 1/24/10 10:04 AM
 

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Re: Bring Kids Into Bars? Article.

I am a parent and I wholeheartedly agree with this article.

I brought DS into a bar ONCE when he was 6 weeks old. But that was Jackie Reilly's, we were there to eat (if you've been there you know that there is a restaurant side and a bar side) and watch a football game. He slept most of the time despite the loud noise. I would never have dreamed of asking the patrons to keep it down Chat Icon Hellooooo I CHOSE to bring him there.

Looking back, I only did it because I was desperate to get out of the house, and I doubt I will do it again.

Posted 1/24/10 10:15 AM
 

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Posted by headoverheels

I am a parent and I wholeheartedly agree with this article.

I brought DS into a bar ONCE when he was 6 weeks old. But that was Jackie Reilly's, we were there to eat (if you've been there you know that there is a restaurant side and a bar side) and watch a football game. He slept most of the time despite the loud noise. I would never have dreamed of asking the patrons to keep it down Chat Icon Hellooooo I CHOSE to bring him there.

Looking back, I only did it because I was desperate to get out of the house, and I doubt I will do it again.



I've never been to that bar but the funny thing is I've seen more infants in bars here in Manhattan then I generally see toddlers. Infants are fabulous because they sleep the whole time in their strollers or car seat thingys. I imagine after almost 10 months of pregnancy and being cooped up in the house you needed a cocktailChat Icon

Posted 1/24/10 10:56 AM
 

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What next, formula on tap ?

As some others have posted, bars should be adult only. If we wanted to hang out in a child friendly place, we would be at ChuckECheese.
Don't get me wrong - I've taken my nephew to ChuckECheese and to McD's playgrounds because I wanted him to have fun. Of course a martini would have nice. These places are child appropriate. Any place where you have to be 21 years old to legally enter is not the place for infants, toddlers, or children. As Lisa said, at what age is the cut-off ?

I don't want to have to watch my language, get shushed if I am a bit too loud, or getting looks of disapproval if I happen to be dancing on the bar.

There are bars that have restaurants attached to them (i.e. Donovan's in Bayside) but I wouldn't want to have to compete for a bar stool with a 5 year old.

Posted 1/24/10 3:31 PM
 

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I don't want to have to watch my language, get shushed if I am a bit too loud, or getting looks of disapproval if I happen to be dancing on the bar.



I agree with you. And even for parents who aren't shushing and giving disapproving looks, patrons might feel the need to sensor their language/behavior more because there's a small child around, even if the parents didn't care.

Posted 1/24/10 4:36 PM
 

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Though I’ve since tried to restrict my watering holes to places that publicly ban the too-young-to-jet set, like nearby Union Hall, I still have the occasional bar-baby encounter, the most recent one far from the fertile grounds of Brooklyn. At the Bohemian Hall and Beer Garden in Astoria, Queens, my friends and I watched in shock as a father changed his child’s diaper on a vacant table, pitying the person who would sit there next with a pilsner and kielbasa.



The Bohemian Hall has not been cleaned since 1958. But I too pity the person who would risk the kielbasa at that place Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 1/25/10 12:33 AM
 

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Well Burger King is going to start serving beer (just like in Europe) so hallelujia!!!

Posted 1/25/10 12:43 AM
 

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Posted by SusiBee


There are bars that have restaurants attached to them (i.e. Donovan's in Bayside) but I wouldn't want to have to compete for a bar stool with a 5 year old.



According to my bartender friend, it's against the law for kids to actually sit at the bar.

I think there are times & places that are inappropriate for kids. If you need to be 21 to enter the venue, kids should not be permitted. This wouldn't apply to retaurants with bars but again kids are not supposed to be actually sitting at the bar.

Posted 1/25/10 8:31 AM
 

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Though I’ve since tried to restrict my watering holes to places that publicly ban the too-young-to-jet set, like nearby Union Hall, I still have the occasional bar-baby encounter, the most recent one far from the fertile grounds of Brooklyn. At the Bohemian Hall and Beer Garden in Astoria, Queens, my friends and I watched in shock as a father changed his child’s diaper on a vacant table, pitying the person who would sit there next with a pilsner and kielbasa.



The Bohemian Hall has not been cleaned since 1958. But I too pity the person who would risk the kielbasa at that place Chat Icon Chat Icon




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Posted 1/25/10 9:19 AM
 

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Re: Bring Kids Into Bars? Article.

In my DH's home town (NYC beach town...) it is the NORM to bring babies to Bar and Grills (more bar atmosphere than grill believe me Chat Icon )

It is usually summer time, during the day--or even 5,6pm dinner time.

It is not uncommon to literally see people roll the baby up to the bar.

Obviously these people do not stay until all hours--but they go out have a cocktail, are able to walk home and socialize.

I love the idea and look forward to partipating when we have children Chat Icon

Posted 1/25/10 10:01 AM
 

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I live in Park Slope and know the bars she is talking about.

the Gate is open all day. so I can see why she would maybe see a kid in there at certain points.

Park Slope has been a family friendly neighborhood FOREVER.

I remember being a kid and running into timboo's bar b/c my friends parents were in there (I would later get an *** kicking from MY parents, but that is b/c they were teetotalers)

YOU moved THERE lady. that has ALWAYS been the vibe and the draw of the neighborhood, so really, too bad for you.

I am not saying she shouldn't live there at all, but you should KNOW what your nabe is about before you move there.

there are also MANY restaurants in the Slope that allow pets in, which I think is FARKING disgusting (oh yes, I do) but I don't complain b/c I knew what it was all about before I sat to eat.

I go to bars all the time in my neighborhood (or rather I went up until 3 months ago...I am waiting to introduce my son to the nightlife Chat Icon Chat Icon ) and I NEVER saw kids after SUNDOWN. EVER.

this article pisses me off more as a life long resident of the Slope. I saw it being compared the other day to Soho...a "new" Soho...and I wondered why it had to be a "new" anything when it was just fine the way it was.

it is true that you cannot turn any which way without bumping into a stroller, but again...it was like that WAY before Miss Crying Over You came to town.

ETA: sorry to comment...I came over here to check on the dirty's ditties and since this is my nabe I couldn't resist.

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Posted 1/25/10 10:56 AM
 

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I have to agree with Ophelia here..and I never comment on this board.
My SIL moved to Park Slope AFTER she had children for specifically this reason...she lived in Prospect Park before that and it was not as child-friendly. And we loved visiting her cuz we were able to bring the dog everywhere.
Most people check out neighborhoods before they move into them, maybe she should have done so.

Posted 1/25/10 11:14 AM
 

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Posted by Ophelia

I live in Park Slope and know the bars she is talking about.

the Gate is open all day. so I can see why she would maybe see a kid in there at certain points.

Park Slope has been a family friendly neighborhood FOREVER.

I remember being a kid and running into timboo's bar b/c my friends parents were in there (I would later get an *** kicking from MY parents, but that is b/c they were teetotalers)

YOU moved THERE lady. that has ALWAYS been the vibe and the draw of the neighborhood, so really, too bad for you.

I am not saying she shouldn't live there at all, but you should KNOW what your nabe is about before you move there.

there are also MANY restaurants in the Slope that allow pets in, which I think is FARKING disgusting (oh yes, I do) but I don't complain b/c I knew what it was all about before I sat to eat.

I go to bars all the time in my neighborhood (or rather I went up until 3 months ago...I am waiting to introduce my son to the nightlife Chat Icon Chat Icon ) and I NEVER saw kids after SUNDOWN. EVER.

this article pisses me off more as a life long resident of the Slope. I saw it being compared the other day to Soho...a "new" Soho...and I wondered why it had to be a "new" anything when it was just fine the way it was.

it is true that you cannot turn any which way without bumping into a stroller, but again...it was like that WAY before Miss Crying Over You came to town.

ETA: sorry to comment...I came over here to check on the dirty's ditties and since this is my nabe I couldn't resist.




Like I said before no reason to apologize. I'm looking for insight from all readersChat Icon

It's an interesting topic because I imagine most people think of bars as adult only establishments (and the occasional teen with a fake id!).

Posted 1/25/10 11:14 AM
 

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Re: Bring Kids Into Bars? Article.

I don't think kids belong in bars. Some bars are more "family" friendly. Especially when it's open for a parade, etc.. But in general, no it's not for kids.

But I also personally don't like to hear a bunch of profanities just for the sake that it's an adult place.

Posted 1/25/10 11:21 AM
 

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I wonder if people would think differently if smoking were still allowed in bars.

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