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june262004
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Do you put the dogs food and water in the cage with them?

Posted 1/12/06 2:16 PM
 
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Re: craiters...

absolutely not....gives them to much opportunity to make a mess!

Posted 1/12/06 2:17 PM
 

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Re: craiters...

Posted by btrflygrl

absolutely not....gives them to much opportunity to make a mess!



Thats what I thought but I feel bad cause everything I read says NEVER leave them with out waters. And I caved and put his food and water in there. I could imagine what its going to look like when I get home Chat Icon

Posted 1/12/06 2:48 PM
 

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They have feeders that you can attach to the side of the cage. It's off the floor and they can't knock it over. I use them for my puppy.

Posted 1/12/06 4:56 PM
 

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Re: craiters...

Nope!

Posted 1/12/06 5:39 PM
 

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yes. she's so little now she can't knock them over.

Posted 1/13/06 10:37 AM
 

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Re: craiters...

No

Posted 1/13/06 11:15 AM
 

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Re: craiters...

Posted by june262004

Posted by btrflygrl

absolutely not....gives them to much opportunity to make a mess!



Thats what I thought but I feel bad cause everything I read says NEVER leave them with out waters. And I caved and put his food and water in there. I could imagine what its going to look like when I get home Chat Icon



Trust me it's fine....I leave my little guy in his cage with nothing from 9:30am till 5:30/6pm when I go to work on a day we both leave in the am.

For awhile, we were not allowing water after a certain time or first thing in the am because he was having a hard time holding it. Now he's fine.

Also, if you put in his cage, and then feed him out of his cage when you are home, you are disrupting his normal routine. They sleep most of the time anyway in their cages.

Posted 1/13/06 12:13 PM
 

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I wouldn't worry about it, it'll be a little messy for now, you can slowly ween her off not having it in her cage....but some trainers say it's good to feed them in thier at first, they'll like it, they won't soil it.....

Posted 1/13/06 1:51 PM
 

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I just came home to her rawhide floating in her water bowl. Chat Icon I'm getting her one of these for her water only:

Cage Cups


I leave a couple of kibles in her crate while I'm gone, as she gets older I'm not going to do this.

Posted 1/13/06 2:08 PM
 

june262004
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Re: craiters...

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I just came home to her rawhide floating in her water bowl. Chat Icon I'm getting her one of these for her water only:

Cage Cups


I leave a couple of kibles in her crate while I'm gone, as she gets older I'm not going to do this.




Did they tell you Rawhide was ok? I heard not so good for puppies


Ive been leaving the water and food in there yesterday and today and came home to no mess. Pretty surprised

Posted 1/13/06 7:24 PM
 

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Yes when they were puppies up to 8 months absolutely left water in there for them. and yes many times they knocked it over but they need water. as far as rawhide, I heard that is the worst thing you can give your dog.

Posted 1/13/06 9:20 PM
 

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Re: craiters...

Posted by dita

I just came home to her rawhide floating in her water bowl. Chat Icon I'm getting her one of these for her water only:

Cage Cups


I leave a couple of kibles in her crate while I'm gone, as she gets older I'm not going to do this.



what kind of dog is that?

Message edited 4/10/2006 12:15:36 AM.

Posted 1/13/06 9:21 PM
 

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NO - if you are crate training him properly, the food and water never go in the cage. The idea is for the dog never to eat or go to the bathroom where he sleeps.

Posted 1/14/06 11:18 AM
 

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Re: craiters...

Posted by MrsTC

NO - if you are crate training him properly, the food and water never go in the cage. The idea is for the dog never to eat or go to the bathroom where he sleeps.

Puppies are suppose to have water at ALL times though. If you dont want the "bowl" in the cage then get the water bottle, but a puppy needs water all the time, very important. But this is for people who leave the puppy in a crate when they go out, not when they are home. and every 4 hours the puppy should be taken out to pee too. that is what our breeder told us, I used to run home for lunch and DH and I worked it out where the puppy was only in the crate for up to 4 hours before someone was home to let him out. Its not easy.

Posted 1/14/06 1:33 PM
 

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Re: craiters...

Posted by girlygrl33

Puppies are suppose to have water at ALL times though. If you dont want the "bowl" in the cage then get the water bottle, but a puppy needs water all the time, very important. But this is for people who leave the puppy in a crate when they go out, not when they are home. and every 4 hours the puppy should be taken out to pee too. that is what our breeder told us, I used to run home for lunch and DH and I worked it out where the puppy was only in the crate for up to 4 hours before someone was home to let him out. Its not easy.



I agree...an animal should never be left without water. Personally, I think it's cruel to leave a dog in a crate all day without water. Us, as people, wouldn't go all day without water, would we?

Dogs tend to limit their intake of water and food when their human isn't home. This is so they won't have to go to the bathroom. You may notice that as soon as you come home, after you are greet, your dog will go drink water.

Message edited 1/16/2006 1:59:32 PM.

Posted 1/16/06 1:07 PM
 

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Katie is much smaller than that- she is a Jack Russell. I never heard it was bad to give raw hide to puppies. The breeder had one in there with them. She isn't of those dogs that actually eats it though. She just nibbles on it from time to time and then plays with it. We had a pug that would finish it in one sitting and have MAJOR digestive issues.

Posted 1/16/06 1:43 PM
 

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nope....we just put in a blanket and some chewie toys

Posted 1/16/06 1:56 PM
 

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It is not cruel....read about the purpose of crating and you'll see. Casey never had water in her crate and my DH comes home at lunch and at 4pm to walk her and she is fine. Same as Diane, all my dog has in there is a blanket and her toys. When we let her out she is not dying of thirst.

Posted 1/16/06 8:52 PM
 

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Here is some info about crating you may find helpful. It came directly from the ASPCA site

Crate Training
A dog who is trained to be content in a crate can be kept safe when traveling in a car, visiting someone else’s home, or being transported in an airplane. Some dogs really take to the crate, preferring to sleep in it or take refuge there when things get too hectic. Other dogs are never happy in the crate, but will tolerate it when necessary. Still other dogs panic when closed in a crate.

When to use a crate
The use of a crate is especially helpful when introducing a new puppy or dog to the household. The crate can be used to facilitate house training, and to prevent the dog or puppy from engaging in destructive or inappropriate behavior. Puppies need to be taught to inhibit certain behaviors while in the home, such as digging at the furniture and rugs, chewing table legs and cushions, and stealing from the garbage cans or counters. This teaching is only possible when you can observe and monitor the dog’s behavior. Crating can be a lifesaver when this is impossible—when you leave the dog home alone, for example.

WHAT NOT TO DO
Crates can be easily misused:
- The crate should NOT be used to contain a dog simply because the dog is a nuisance and requires attention. A puppy or young dog can be annoying and exhausting, but it is unfair and negligent to lock the animal up rather than provide the training he needs.
- A dog should never be left in a crate for extended periods of time. An 8- to 16-week-old puppy should not crated for longer than an hour at a time, except for during the night. A four- to six-month-old puppy shouldn’t be crated for longer than a two- to three-hour period.
- An adult dog can be crated for as long as eight hours, but it is unreasonable to expect a dog to be content in a crate if he hasn’t received adequate exercise beforehand. A dog should only be crated during an eight-hour workday if he has been given at least 30-60 minutes of exercise beforehand. This is even more of a concern if the dog is crated at night as well —in which case he should receive 60-90 minutes of exercise outside, in the morning, before being placed back in the crate.

Should crating ever be used as a means of punishing the dog? If this is the only way the crate is used, the dog may come to dislike the crate. Some dogs will view the crate as a safe refuge, seeking it out to escape further punishment. It is acceptable to use the crate sparingly as a time-out place, but the dog should have many additional pleasant experiences with the crate, to counteract any possible negative associations.

A dog who is prone to guarding his belongings may also guard the area around his crate. Always be cautious when walking by an open crate or when removing such a dog from his crate. Do not reach in for the dog—either entice him out or lift the crate up from the back to “spill” the dog out. Some dogs appear to feel vulnerable and “trapped” in a crate, and may react with aggression when approached by unfamiliar people or dogs while inside.

HOW TO TEACH YOUR DOG TO ENJOY HIS CRATE
The instructions that follow are designed to teach a dog to enjoy being in a crate. The speed with which you progress depends upon the dog and whether he already dislikes the crate. If your dog has a history with the crate and is now reluctant to go in, get a different type of crate and work through the steps very slowly. There are wire crates, plastic airline crates, and mesh crates. The mesh crate is the most portable but is inappropriate for dogs who are big on chewing. The mesh and airline crates provide the most privacy for the dog. Some dogs like to have a blanket or towel draped over the wire crate to give a more “denlike” feel. Truly crate-phobic dogs may need preliminary training with crate-like structures. For instance, you might wish to teach the dog to walk under a suspended tarp, step between two upright boards, or lie down in the bottom half of an airline crate (top removed) before ever introducing him to a crate. Difficult dogs also benefit from training to sit, down, stay, and to step forward and back, as this gives you more precision in instructing the dog on exactly what behavior you’d like him to perform.

The following instructions incorporate the use of a clicker to precisely indicate the behavior you are reinforcing. You can also use a verbal sound marker (such as a clearly enunciated “yes”) whenever you see the indication to click. You may wish to begin using an airline crate with the door removed, or simply leave it ajar; flip the door of a mesh crate up over the roof. And remember, always progress through the steps at a pace that is appropriate for your dog. Repetition is the key to success, but you don’t want to bore the dog by staying at one step for too long.

1. Sit down in front of the crate with your dog. Have a supply of whatever treats he really likes. Show him a treat and toss it just inside the mouth of the crate. Allow the dog to reach in and take the treat. Repeat several times, sometimes requiring that he step a little further inside the crate. Always permit him to step back out at will.

2. Show the dog a treat and move as though you are tossing it inside the crate. When the dog looks in the crate, click or say “Yes!” and toss the treat inside. After a few repetitions, wait for the dog to actually take a step toward the crate before clicking and tossing the treat inside. Once the dog is taking a step toward the crate, you are well on your way. With each repetition, always allow the dog to come back out of the crate. If he prefers to stay inside (presumably he’s figured out that he gets treats in there), give him a second treat for coming back out.

3. Dog takes two steps toward the crate, click and toss a treat into the mouth of the crate.

4. Dog moves to the crate and sticks his head inside the mouth, click and toss a treat into the crate.

5. Dog moves to the crate and places one front foot into the crate, click and toss a treat into the crate.

6. Dog moves to the crate and places one front foot, then the other, into the crate, click and toss a treat into
the crate.

7. Dog moves to the crate, places both front feet in the crate, then takes another step deeper into the crate, click and toss a treat into the crate.

8. Dog moves to the crate, steps into the crate, and places one rear foot into the crate, click and toss a treat into the crate.

9. Dog moves to the crate, steps inside the crate, and places rear feet in the crate, click and toss a treat into the crate. At this point, the dog may back out of the crate or may turn around and walk forward out of the crate. Give a second treat when the dog exits the crate. Turning in the crate is preferred to exiting, as it sets you up nicely for subsequent steps. If the dog is inclined to back out, try reaching in with a treat in your hand, and luring the dog around. If the dog is nervous when you reach in, try a wider crate. He may feel more comfortable turning in a wider space or he may be more comfortable with you luring him around. Once turning is well established, wean off reaching in and luring him.

10. Dog moves to crate, steps inside, turns around, click and quickly reach inside to hand the treat.

11. Introduce a verbal cue to tell the dog to go inside the crate, such as “Go in your crate,” “Get in your box,” “Load up,” etc. Say this just prior to your dog moving toward the crate. If the dog starts to move to the crate before you tell him, that’s fine.

12. Cue the dog to get in the crate, dog moves to crate, steps inside, turns around, and takes a step toward the exit, click and reach inside to hand the treat. You should skip this step if the crate is so small that the dog can only take one step before exiting the crate.

13. Cue the dog to get in the crate, dog moves to crate, steps inside, turns around, cue the dog to sit or lie down—whichever he is most likely to do. When he does, click and quickly reach inside to offer the treat. If you need to, cue the dog to sit or lie down, and then reach inside to lure the dog into position.

14. Cue the dog to get in the crate, dog moves to crate, steps inside, turns around, cue the dog to sit or lie down: when he does, cue him to stay, wait 1-2 seconds, click and quickly reach inside to offer the treat. Say “Okay” and move back out of the crate so the dog can exit.

15. The dog should begin to automatically sit or lie down when he goes into the crate, without you having to cue him. If, at any time, the dog exits the crate before completing the full sequence of turning and sitting or lying down or staying, say “Too bad!” and withhold the treat. Start again. If he fails more than twice in a row, do something to help him succeed—maybe reach in with a treat to lure him to step farther inside or to adopt the sit or lie down position. Rely on this only once or twice; after that, he should be expected to perform the sequence himself. If he still fails, quit the session (maybe the dog is tired of the training) or revert to an earlier step and get an easier behavior well established before progressing again.

16. When the dog can go inside the crate, sit or lie down and stay for 10-20 seconds, begin closing the door. With a wire or airline crate, touch the door, click and quickly reach inside to offer the treat. Say “Okay” and move back out of the crate so the dog can exit. With a mesh crate, lift the door slightly off the roof, then replace, click and quickly reach inside to offer the treat. Say “Okay” and move back out of the crate so the dog can exit. Dogs with a history of disliking a crate will need a long time at this step to become comfortable with the crate door closing.

17. Gradually move the door toward the closed position until it is completely closed. Build the dog up to the point that he can remain in position inside the crate, with it closed for 20-30 seconds, before actually latching the door. Dogs with a history of disliking a crate will need a long time at this step to become comfortable with the crate door closing.

18. Continue to increase the time the dog is inside the crate, with the door latched. If the dog stands up or scratches at the door, say “Uh uh” and cue the dog to lie down again. If he does not lie down, reach in and lure him back into position, tell him to stay, close the door again momentarily, then click and quickly reach inside to offer the treat. Say “Okay” and open the door fully so the dog can exit.

19. Once the dog is able to lie down in the crate for one to two hours, always give him something nice to eat or chew to pass the time, such as a stuffed Kong, Goodie Ship, Dentabone, Greenie, or chew bone. Skip this step if the dog is inclined to guard these items because it is imperative that you can remove them each time you allow the dog to exit the crate.

20. As the dog tolerates longer periods of time in the crate, vary your position so you are not always sitting right by the crate. Sit farther away, stand up, move about the room, etc. Make sure the dog is comfortable with you moving about the room before you ever attempt to leave the room or the house. Some dogs may never be able to tolerate staying in the crate while you engage in an activity they consider fun, such as sweeping the floor, playing with your child, visiting with guests, or training another pet. If you must crate the dog at these times, it is better to move the crate to a more isolated location. Alternatively, you may have to put up with the dog barking and scratching to be released. Any time the dog is whining, barking, or scratching to be released from the crate, always cue the dog to sit or lie down before opening the door. The dog will learn that sitting or lying down is the best way to get you to open the door. Make sure you don’t inadvertently teach the dog to whine, bark, or scratch to be released. Just make sure that most of the time you release the dog from the crate before he engages in these behaviors. If you find that he is always demanding to be released, you need to go back to the beginning steps and build up his comfort level again.



Posted 1/16/06 11:01 PM
 

MommyofG
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Re: craiters...

Posted by MrsTC

It is not cruel....read about the purpose of crating and you'll see. Casey never had water in her crate and my DH comes home at lunch and at 4pm to walk her and she is fine. Same as Diane, all my dog has in there is a blanket and her toys. When we let her out she is not dying of thirst.

same here but they are adults now, over 1. anything under 1 yrs old and they are suppose to have water 24-7. I wouldnt want my poor puppy thirsty, that is when they are growing and getting nourished. After you switch them to adult food then its different, yes they can stay without water for a few hours. I guess its more of a preference on the pet owner than what youre really suppose to do. when you go to the pet store you always see the water bottle hanging on the cage with puppies, should be the same at home!
I forgot to say this is when you are NOT home and crating a puppy and the puppy is NOT suppose to crated over 3-4 hours that they should have waterr. If you are crate training and you are home then NO do not put water in there. but if you leave def then. Hope I made sense.

Message edited 1/17/2006 12:09:19 PM.

Posted 1/17/06 12:05 PM
 
 
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