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METLove2008
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
What a terribly sad thing to happen
It sounds like these dogs were practically trained to attack. It's terrible, but I know plenty of guys that think it is the most awesome thing ever to have a tough guard dog. So, they praise aggressive behavior and that's why things like this happen. Dogs will act how they are taught to act. Bad owners need to be held accountable.
However, there are other reasons a well trained dog will attack. I think a lot of owners don't realize that even though their dog is as sweet as can be (even if they've never shown aggression before) it can happen at any time. As dogs get older, they have health problems that can cause random attacks (stroke, tumors in the brain, etc...). Which is why you hear about a nice family dog just turning on the owners or children.
Every dog has the potential to attack... it isn't just the bully breeds. I've read that Dachshunds are actually the most aggressive dog breed, but when a 10lb dog bites someone... it's isn't going to be as serious as when a 90lb dog bites someone. Attacks like the one the OP posted about are why pits and rotties get a bad name.
I wish there was a solution for this but I guess it's just like everything else out there (drunk drivers, random attacks, home invasions, etc.) we just have to be proactive and take precautions to protect ourselves and our families. Even with a million laws in place... we will never live in a society where innocent people aren't victimized by careless people or criminals
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by WNA01
u cannot seriously blame the owners or the dogs themselves. I grew up with dogs my whole life. ive had dobermans. rotties and pits as a kid. they were all wonderful pets
dh and i had a pit who was the sweetest most mild tempered dog u would have ever come across. we trained him and loved him like crazy. when he was getting older and we knew he was going to go soon we got a rottie - great looking dog who was stubborn from day 1. we did the same thing.. gave him the same love we gave our pit. trained him the same way..
our vet told us we had a monster in our hands when he was 10 weeks old.
the dog had a seriously chemical imbalance we found out later after he mauled his own owner - my husband when he reached his full adult age. He snapped. Was there inbreeding - most likely.. it wasnt me or my husband that cuased him to snap -- it wasnt the dogs fault.. it was the idiots who breeded him - and we got him from a reputable breeder who breeds rotties for showdogs...
so please b4 u start blaming the dogs or the owners understand there can be a lot of interbreeding that can cause a dog to snap
I believe this would be the exception rather than the rule. I cannot excuse aggressive behavior on the thought that there might be a chemical imbalance. What about the dogs that have no issues, and are just plain agressive and poorly trained?
And if you spend the money buying a dog from an accredited breeder, there shouldn't be any issues (not 100%, but generally). Especially as opposed to buying from a puppy mill.
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maybebaby
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Thanks for what you wrote...
I do have respect for animals as well and I do think they are cute and can be wonderful companions and helpful etc...I just have never wanted to own a dog or cat..I don't know why, maybe b/c we didn't have a dog growing up or b/c they all kinda scared me, lol..
Now, bring me a baby and i'm a happy person, lol. And i KNOW the day will come where my kids ask for a dog. I'll have to really think about that one...DH and two boys begging me for a dog...sigh...
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IrishLasss334
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by WNA01
u cannot seriously blame the owners or the dogs themselves. I grew up with dogs my whole life. ive had dobermans. rotties and pits as a kid. they were all wonderful pets
dh and i had a pit who was the sweetest most mild tempered dog u would have ever come across. we trained him and loved him like crazy. when he was getting older and we knew he was going to go soon we got a rottie - great looking dog who was stubborn from day 1. we did the same thing.. gave him the same love we gave our pit. trained him the same way..
our vet told us we had a monster in our hands when he was 10 weeks old.
the dog had a seriously chemical imbalance we found out later after he mauled his own owner - my husband when he reached his full adult age. He snapped. Was there inbreeding - most likely.. it wasnt me or my husband that cuased him to snap -- it wasnt the dogs fault.. it was the idiots who breeded him - and we got him from a reputable breeder who breeds rotties for showdogs...
so please b4 u start blaming the dogs or the owners understand there can be a lot of interbreeding that can cause a dog to snap
I believe this would be the exception rather than the rule. I cannot excuse aggressive behavior on the thought that there might be a chemical imbalance. What about the dogs that have no issues, and are just plain agressive and poorly trained?
And if you spend the money buying a dog from an accredited breeder, there shouldn't be any issues (not 100%, but generally). Especially as opposed to buying from a puppy mill.
I don't think she's trying to excuse the behavior, it's just another reason, in addition to inbreeding and irresponsible owndership. It's just something that happens. I had a shepherd mix that died of leukemia at 4 years old, he was one of 7 and all the others are completely healthy. It never should have happened to him and the oncologist said the odds of that happending were so miniscule, he couldn't believe it was my barely 4 year old dog. Unfortunatley, diseases of the mind and body happen randomly, just like with people.
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JessInCA
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
I do think that much has to do with the training of the individual dog... and I've known several pit bulls and pit mixes that were sweet as can be... but I'd be lying if I said I have no fear when I'm out and about and see an unfamiliar pitbull. There are just way too many scary stories about unprovoked attacks.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by HeatherRose
I own a pit mix but that aside I feel that it is 100% the owners responsiblity to train and keep your dog from harming others
the same goes for a child, a parent is responsible for them, a dog IMO isn't any different.
you are a parent to your dog, and you dog will always be a 2 year old child that needs to be watched and trained constantly. and as with any animal, you can never trust them 100%.
Dogs that show aggression should be trained. Alot of times its the owner who needs training in what not to do to a dog. Alot of times, its what you have done to your dog, (or has been done in the past by anyome) that causes an animal to show aggression
It cost us a lot of $ to pay a trainer, but it was worth every single penny. I am so in love with the pit breed, it is unlike any other breed of dogs I have ever owned. I will never own another type of dog and I will always resuce them because the shelters are filled with these.
A post like this is the EXACT reason this site needs a "like" option for posts.
Well said!!
I have two pit mixes, they're both rescues, both AWESOME dogs.
Training is a HUGE part to dog ownership, it's very unfortunate that MANY people DON'T get this concept.
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CrankyPants
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
As I think more about this-is it really such a bad thing for certain breeds to get a bad "rep" (even if I don't buy into it being a bad rep)?
It keeps some people scared and away from dogs that can do great harm.
I don't think that is a bad thing. I think that is a very good thing.
I don't know the grandmother here and I am NOT blaming her in any way shape or form.
Maybe she was told these dogs were not dangerous. Maybe she was told they are big mushes.
Or, maybe she was de-sensitized to the danger because they were always out there.
But, I wish she had been scared enough of them to keep her grandchild inside. Even if it meant many people would say she was irrational. I don't care.
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Two things I will add: yes, pits can be very loving and sweet mushes....... But , in my experience, their love and adoration is greater for their loving owners and family. They can easily view others as a threat. Secondly, even though goldens are known to be very docile, every single dog is still an animal. Their nature is unpredictable. I don't care how sweet a dog is, I have seem them turn in a second's notice. People need to respect and understand that. I wouldn't put anything past any animal, of any breed. I love animals and respect them, but will never fully trust any of them.
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juanvi
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by speakthetruth
Two things I will add: yes, pits can be very loving and sweet mushes....... But , in my experience, their love and adoration is greater for their loving owners and family. They can easily view others as a threat. Secondly, even though goldens are known to be very docile, every single dog is still an animal. Their nature is unpredictable. I don't care how sweet a dog is, I have seem them turn in a second's notice. People need to respect and understand that. I wouldn't put anything past any animal, of any breed. I love animals and respect them, but will never fully trust any of them.
It's with this so scary
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Daisy25
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
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I don't trust my dogs completely. I don't trust your dogs completely either, or my neighbors, or some random person on the street. I don't think anyone should.
I love my dogs, and don't think they would react aggressively towards children. I could have them for another 10 years and will still say that. I would never leave them alone with children. A lot of people (me included) humanize them but in the end, they are animals through and through.
This to me is the most rational thing said on this entire thread.
People can post as many cutesy pictures of their dogs (pitts, cocker spanials, spud, the taco bell dog-who the heck cares) as they want-I don't give a flying fig.
Animals can snap and should never be trusted completely. Never.
Well said!! All of the instances of pits "snapping" that I have heard of, have started with "The dog was always so sweet", or "we never thought he'd hurt anyone..." Just because the dog "looks sweet" or never hurt a child before, does NOT mean they never will.
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Janice
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
I feel like there is this big problem with the system.
In yesterday's paper, it was reported that police had gone to owner's home after dogs had escaped before.
That's it. That is where "dangerous breed" terminology should come in at. A pitbull is out. Done. Dog taken into custody that instant. What happens after that...I don't hate animals, I respect them...but what has to be has to be in order to protect humans.
I realize shelters are full of pits and pit mixes...it is terrible. But why if a dangerous breed was out roaming the streets did police do nothing?? I am not blaming them, laws are laws...but that is what needs to change.
I am telling you, my cousin lives in hell. Her daughter's maltese now lives in my grandmother's apt...then just could not trust the 5 pits next door with the dog. They put up a chain link fence after the pits rammed their heads and broke her wooden one. Police are called...nothing can be done.
There should be no warnings with this breed. I don't care if owners go to prison after something happens...that would not bring my kid back.
link to story, with pics of girl
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CrankyPants
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
I think, instead of showing pictures of the the cute mushy dogs we should see the face of this cute, poor child who was killed by an animal. an animal that you can NEVER trust 100% no matter what any one on here thinks:
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
She was a cutie alright.
I do have to disagree with something a PP said about a dog "snapping" out of nowhere. It is very rare that a dog does not give signs of it's mood or state of mind. Uneducated people don't know what they are, and they go unnoticed. But there are a lot of them. Once you know what they are, it's hard to *not* see them.
When I hear people say a dog did something "out of nowhere", my first thought is that they were just not paying close enough attention to the signs.
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CrankyPants
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by greenfreak
She was a cutie alright.
I do have to disagree with something a PP said about a dog "snapping" out of nowhere. It is very rare that a dog does not give signs of it's mood or state of mind. Uneducated people don't know what they are, and they go unnoticed. But there are a lot of them. Once you know what they are, it's hard to *not* see them.
When I hear people say a dog did something "out of nowhere", my first thought is that they were just not paying close enough attention to the signs.
But what do we do to regulate this so someone who has no idea what to look for doesn't get a dog that can do some damage?
They should stick to the little dogs that can't hurt or a scratching cat-sure they can snap too but you most likely will not die or lose a limb from one of them.
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Until we can stop breeding human idiots I don't see an end to this one.
You know how there are some seriously BAD, dangerous, inept drivers out there on the roads? Yeah. No one thinks it's them.
Same with dog ownership.
A guy in my hood has a young chow chow he walks UNLEASHED around our busy corner, block, and (dog-free) playground. IDIOT.
He basically yells at the dog, and raises his hand in a threatened hit ALL.THE.TIME. I cannot stand him, or watching him with this beautiful looking dog. The dog just looks so defeated. McIdiot prides himself on how "well-trained" his dog is. That dog is not well-trained. She is submissive, yes, but how long will it be until she acts out because she has TOLERATED his faux-alpha-male bullsh*t for too long? Frankly it's inevitable and I've said as much to him. He could care less
But I've also told him if he comes NEAR the park with her again I'll have the 114 there so fast it'll make his head spin. IDIOT.
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
We should educate ourselves. We shouldn't buy animals from pet stores and backyard breeders, because they don't choose beneficial traits for the breeding program.
Shelters and Rescues should be evaluating all animals for potential challenges. They should make it harder for the wrong people to adopt, and easier for the right people. They should educate and provide incentives for people to come back and train their dogs.
Unfortunately, you can't outlaw stupid/irresponsible people from getting dogs. I think this is the best we can do, and not all of it is being done.
Legislator Jon Cooper recently authored a bill whereas organizations must check a new animal abuser registry before allowing the purchase or adoption of an animal. He is the kind of person who needs support for bills like this.
In short, we need to educate ourselves on how to do the best we can as a dog owner, and help others who may not know how.
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by speakthetruth
Two things I will add: yes, pits can be very loving and sweet mushes....... But , in my experience, their love and adoration is greater for their loving owners and family. They can easily view others as a threat. Secondly, even though goldens are known to be very docile, every single dog is still an animal. Their nature is unpredictable. I don't care how sweet a dog is, I have seem them turn in a second's notice. People need to respect and understand that. I wouldn't put anything past any animal, of any breed. I love animals and respect them, but will never fully trust any of them.
ITA. Any animal can turn at a moment's notice. I would never leave my children alone with my dog, even though I believe he would never hurt a fly. I don't trust him, I don't trust any dog 100%. And for the record, a friend of mine was attacked by his family's retriever when he was a child and needed hundreds of stitches in his head.
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Megs4
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
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Posted by greenfreak
Sorry, one more thing...
A responsible owner doesn't let even the smallest aggression slide. They don't allow a dog to nip or snap or whatever word they want to use for it. They train the dog, discipline the dog in a way it will understand, and reward the dog when it gets it right.
Irresponsible owners make excuses, overlook problems, and don't consider the worst case scenario.
The answer, to me, is to go to the source and put a stop to puppy mills, backyard breeders, pet stores and the like. Like a driver's license, people should have to PROVE they can responsibly own a dog because like a car, a dog can kill someone. This is why I laugh at people who say rescuing a dog or adopting from a shelter is a pain in the ***. Because they are only looking at it from their point of view, which is the worst way to enter into dog ownership.
I agree with this a BILLION percent.
at the end of the day, it is the fault of HUMANS. if people were held accountable, maybe these things would happen less often.
it's so odd to me that dog fighting is illegal and repudiated, but the dog mills are allowed to operate. I don't see a differenence between them b.c at the end of the day they are harming dogs, killing dogs, altering the personalities of dogs for their own personal gain.
it should all be illegal.
I completely agree with all of the above. I am a dog person, and my dog was a rescue so while she is mostly lab we suspect there is something else in there - some say golden, some see pit, who knows. We have never had a single problem with her - but we went to a training class with her anyway, so we would be educated on the best and consistent way to train and handle the dog.
Yes, there are aggressive dogs out there and I believe they are entitled to loving homes as well - but so rarely is that what happens. In addition, there are so many pits in shelters that it is TOO easy to adopt one, so all too often people who are not prepared to be a dog owner come home with a pit bull, and the bad owners give the dogs a bad rep.
For the record, I narrowly escaped an attack once after foolishly approaching a strange dog. It turns out the dog had serious aggression issues and had learned to open the gate in the fence so the owners had to get locks for it to keep the dog in.
The dog was a golden retriever.
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by colette
Until we can stop breeding human idiots I don't see an end to this one.
You know how there are some seriously BAD, dangerous, inept drivers out there on the roads? Yeah. No one thinks it's them.
Same with dog ownership.
Yes yes yes. It's so terribly sad but true.
Which is why holding owner's responsible is probably the best thing. At the very least, it might encourage some idiot out there to not train his dog to be violent or to act immediately should their dog show any signs of aggression, if they know they are the ones that will be held responsible.
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Diana1215
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
I am sick over reading this article.
I have a dog - she is about 12lbs soaking wet. She is the biggest mushball you will ever meet. She still snaps at my 15mnth old if he falls in her direction. She scratched his face two weeks ago. I cannot rest when the two of them are up and moving around the house. I am ALL over my son (and the dog) to leave each other alone.
I am petrified to go on walks. We have a few bigger dogs in the neighborhood that people keep unleashed in front of their house. I could literally crap in my pants when walking past (as I'm praying at the same time. "Please don't touch my babies. Please don't touch my babies"
Unfortunately, at the end of the day, the littlest thing could make ANY dog snap. My little Shorkie, or a pitbull.
I don't like when we have kids here and they go too close to my dog because you just never know what could cause an animal to snap.
My prayers go out to the family of this precious little angel. May she rest in peace.
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maybebaby
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by CrankyPants
I think, instead of showing pictures of the the cute mushy dogs we should see the face of this cute, poor child who was killed by an animal. an animal that you can NEVER trust 100% no matter what any one on here thinks:
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That poor, sweet little girl. Ugh. Sickening.
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maybebaby
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Just read the article...the mother of the little girl even stated that these were always friendly dogs...
"Friendly" dogs that mauled and killed her 5 year old. Not saying that all dogs would turn like this, but people need to remember that animals are ANIMALS. They are not capable of rational thinking and even though they can be loving companions, they, at heart are still animals!!
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by Diana1215
I am sick over reading this article.
I have a dog - she is about 12lbs soaking wet. She is the biggest mushball you will ever meet. She still snaps at my 15mnth old if he falls in her direction. She scratched his face two weeks ago. I cannot rest when the two of them are up and moving around the house. I am ALL over my son (and the dog) to leave each other alone.
I am petrified to go on walks. We have a few bigger dogs in the neighborhood that people keep unleashed in front of their house. I could literally crap in my pants when walking past (as I'm praying at the same time. "Please don't touch my babies. Please don't touch my babies"
Unfortunately, at the end of the day, the littlest thing could make ANY dog snap. My little Shorkie, or a pitbull.
I don't like when we have kids here and they go too close to my dog because you just never know what could cause an animal to snap.
My prayers go out to the family of this precious little angel. May she rest in peace.
This is why I put my dog away when my kids have friends over. You just never know. Some of the smaller breeds can be even nastier than the larger ones and still do considerable damage especially to an infant....again it comes down to being a responsible dog owner no matter what breed you own.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
Posted by greenfreak
We should educate ourselves. We shouldn't buy animals from pet stores and backyard breeders, because they don't choose beneficial traits for the breeding program.
Shelters and Rescues should be evaluating all animals for potential challenges. They should make it harder for the wrong people to adopt, and easier for the right people. They should educate and provide incentives for people to come back and train their dogs.
Unfortunately, you can't outlaw stupid/irresponsible people from getting dogs. I think this is the best we can do, and not all of it is being done.
Legislator Jon Cooper recently authored a bill whereas organizations must check a new animal abuser registry before allowing the purchase or adoption of an animal. He is the kind of person who needs support for bills like this.
In short, we need to educate ourselves on how to do the best we can as a dog owner, and help others who may not know how.
I completely agree with this. We also have to get away from the idea that it is just certain dogs - pits, rotties, etc. that can potentially be a danger, any animal, any breed, super large to miniature, can cause harm.
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imagin916
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Re: "Dangerous Dog Breeds"....owners who say not my dog...no blame on breed, just owners.
JMHO
I have 2 small dogs, one loves children, the other does not. The dog that is fearful of children has never bitten, but when kids come to my house she is watched at all times, and is moved to another part of the house if she keeps barking. When I'm walking her and kids approach I always tell the parents that she is scared of kids and I don't want to take the chance of her biting a child.
Almost every dog bite that comes into the ER is from a pit bull. The last patient I had who was bit UNPROVOKED was a child who was playing in the park with his friend. The owner did not have the dog on a leash and the dog attacked him. Of course the man left with the dog instead of sticking around to see if the child was OK.
Now this poor kid needs a series of rabies shots, and is scared to go back to the park.
Another woman had a broken bone in her arm due to her own pitt biting her. This dog never bit anyone before.
A vet I know is of the opinion that pit bulls are dog aggressive, even if they are never aggressive towards humans. They have a high prey drive, and its very easy for the dog to confuse a child with an animal.
I'm sorry, but I would NEVER trust a pit bull. Its in their genes to attack, just like some dogs are bred to herd or hunt rats, pits are bred to fight.
Yes, I do believe that bad owners contribute to the problem, but you can't train out a natural instinct.
Sure, a shih tzu or a yorkie can bite, but a bite from one of these dogs is very unlikely to be fatal.
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