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example from UK health system,this could be us!

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example from UK health system,this could be us!

rationing of medicaton

Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections
Tens of thousands with chronic back pain will be forced to live in agony after a decision to slash the number of painkilling injections issued on the NHS, doctors have warned.
By Laura Donnelly, Health Correspondent
Published: 7:45AM BST 02 Aug 2009

Cuts to treatments would save the NHS £33 million

The Government's drug rationing watchdog says "therapeutic" injections of steroids, such as cortisone, which are used to reduce inflammation, should no longer be offered to patients suffering from persistent lower back pain when the cause is not known.

Instead the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) is ordering doctors to offer patients remedies like acupuncture and osteopathy.

Specialists fear tens of thousands of people, mainly the elderly and frail, will be left to suffer excruciating levels of pain or pay as much as £500 each for private treatment.

The NHS currently issues more than 60,000 treatments of steroid injections every year. NICE said in its guidance it wants to cut this to just 3,000 treatments a year, a move which would save the NHS £33 million.

But the British Pain Society, which represents specialists in the field, has written to NICE calling for the guidelines to be withdrawn after its members warned that they would lead to many patients having to undergo unnecessary and high-risk spinal surgery.

Dr Christopher Wells, a leading specialist in pain relief medicine and the founder of the NHS' first specialist pain clinic, said it was "entirely unacceptable" that conventional treatments used by thousands of patients would be stopped.

"I don't mind whether some people want to try acupuncture, or osteopathy. What concerns me is that to pay for these treatments, specialist clinics which offer vital services are going to be forced to close, leaving patients in significant pain, with nowhere to go,"

The NICE guidelines admit that evidence was limited for many back pain treatments, including those it recommended. Where scientific proof was lacking, advice was instead taken from its expert group. But specialists are furious that while the group included practitioners of alternative therapies, there was no one with expertise in conventional pain relief medicine to argue against a decision to significantly restrict its use.

Dr Jonathan Richardson, a consultant pain specialist from Bradford Hospitals Trust, is among more than 50 medics who have written to NICE urging the body to reconsider its decision, which was taken in May.

He said: "The consequences of the NICE decision will be devastating for thousands of patients. It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive, and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky, and has a 50 per cent failure rate."

One in three people are estimated to suffer from lower back pain every year, while one in 15 consult their GP about it. Specialists say therapeutic injections using steroids to reduce inflammation and other injections which can deaden nerve endings, can provide months or even years of respite from pain.

Experts said that if funding was stopped for the injections, many clinics would also struggle to offer other vital services, such as pain management programmes and psychotherapy which is used to manage chronic pain.

Anger among medics has reached such levels that Dr Paul Watson, a physiotherapist who helped draft the guidelines, was last week forced to resign as President of the British Pain Society.

Doctors said he had failed to represent their views when the guidelines were drawn up and refused to support the letter by more than 50 of the group's members which called for the guidelines to be withdrawn.

In response, NICE chairman Professor Sir Michael Rawlins expressed outrage over the vote that forced Dr Watson from his position, describing the actions of the society as "shameful". He accused pain specialists of refusing to accept that there was insufficient scientific evidence to support their practices.

A spokesman for NICE said its guidance did not recommend that injections were stopped for all patients, but only for those who had been in pain for less than a year, where the cause was not known.

Iris Watkins, 80 from Appleton, in Cheshire said her life had been "transformed" by the use of therapeutic injections every two years. The pensioner began to suffer back pain in her 70s. Four years ago, despite physiotherapy treatment and the use of medication, she had reached a stage where she could barely walk.

"It was horrendous, I was spending hours lying on the sofa, or in bed, I couldn't spend a whole evening out. I was referred to a specialist, who decided to give me a set of injections. The difference was tremendous",

Within days, she was able to return to her old life, gardening, caring for her husband Herbert, and enjoying social occasions.

"I just felt fabulous – almost immediately, there was not a twinge. I only had an injection every two years, but it really has transformed my life; if I couldn't have them I would be in despair".

Posted 8/3/09 12:15 PM
 
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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

I read this as well and was thinking the same thing !!

Posted 8/3/09 12:56 PM
 

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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

right b/c insurance companies in the US pay for everything now.......

you never hear horror stories about the current US system

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Posted 8/3/09 1:00 PM
 

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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

Posted by Beth

right b/c insurance companies in the US pay for everything now.......

you never hear horror stories about the current US system

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Im no fan of obama, but this is true. It took my mother MONTHS to get approval from GHI for a follow up breast MRI after her mammogram showed some dense tissue.

in fact, they didnt pay for the MRI..they wanted a sonogram done first (i guess its cheaper) before they would approve an MRI. ******** if you ask me with all the women being diagnosed with breastcancer. thankfully everything turned out fine, but the time she wasted just getting that taken care of, if something were seriously wrong..i'd hate to think where we'd be now.

The whole insurance system needs to be overhauled and regulated.

Posted 8/3/09 1:55 PM
 

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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

I worked in the Patients Account Department for a Cancer Hospital. Basically, my job was to call insurance companis and "inquire" why they weren't paying the claims or certain charges.

You would NOT believe the excuses & run arounds that these ins companies gave as to why they decided to not pay.

I had one insurance company tell me that they weren't paying for the rounds of chemo because chemo therapy is considered "experimental" & they don't cover these types of charges. Imagine being that patient - knowing that every round of chemo you were getting you now had to pay for out of pocket.

Another well known insurance company would deny the claim over and over, asking you to submit "additonal info" for them to reconsider the charges.

They would play this game for a good 12-14 months before making a FINAL decision of no. Stating that we haven't provided them with enough info to make a proper determination - a year's WORTH of additioanl info & thats NOT enough?

The insurance companies here in the US are not that much better. I have so many Chat Icon Chat Icon moments from working with them. Some of them are plain out nasty - they rather see you lose everything before paying on certain charges.

Message edited 8/3/2009 1:57:38 PM.

Posted 8/3/09 1:57 PM
 

Sassyz75
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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

Posted by Beth

right b/c insurance companies in the US pay for everything now.......

you never hear horror stories about the current US system

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totally.
we're switching insurance- not b/c we want to, but because we have to as DH got new job- meanwhile I'm 21 weeks into a pregnancy and seeing a specialist 'cause I'm high risk. The new insurance may or may not allow me to continue care.

if they don't i guess I have to find a doctor in network, who knows how good they'll be.

Posted 8/3/09 1:58 PM
 

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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

Posted by Beaver2be

I worked in the Patients Account Department for a Cancer Hospital. Basically, my job was to call insurance companis and "inquire" why they weren't paying the claims or certain charges.

You would NOT believe the excuses & run arounds that these ins companies gave as to why they decided to not pay.

I had one insurance company tell me that they weren't paying for the rounds of chemo because chemo therapy is considered "experimental" & they don't cover these types of charges. Imagine being that patient - knowing that every round of chemo you were getting you now had to pay for out of pocket.

Another well known insurance company would deny the claim over and over, asking you to submit "additonal info" for them to reconsider the charges.

They would play this game for a good 12-14 months before making a FINAL decision of no. Stating that we haven't provided them with enough info to make a proper determination - a year's WORTH of additioanl info & thats NOT enough?

The insurance companies here in the US are not that much better. I have so many Chat Icon Chat Icon moments from working with them. Some of them are plain out nasty - they rather see you lose everything before paying on certain charges.



just more evidence of them being for their bottom line. not for anyone's health or the public interest.

Posted 8/3/09 2:00 PM
 

Sassyz75
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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

insurance companies are businesses- they aren't non-profits.. which they probably SHOULD be.

Posted 8/3/09 2:08 PM
 

smdl
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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

Posted by Beth

right b/c insurance companies in the US pay for everything now.......

you never hear horror stories about the current US system

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Yes like old people going to Canada or Mexico to be buy drugs cheaper. I guess everyone is forgetting about those articles.

People in the UK will get pain meds. Because in Europe you can get codeine on OTC meds. Yes, it's not covered by insurance but neither is Tylenol, Advil, etc... here in the US.

I am not sure socialized medecine is for the US but PLEASE unless you lived in one of those Countries with socialized medicine you REALLY don't know what you are talking about. And especially don't make it what it is not.

Posted 8/3/09 2:09 PM
 

smdl
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Re: example from UK health system,this could be us!

Posted by Beaver2be

I worked in the Patients Account Department for a Cancer Hospital. Basically, my job was to call insurance companis and "inquire" why they weren't paying the claims or certain charges.

You would NOT believe the excuses & run arounds that these ins companies gave as to why they decided to not pay.

I had one insurance company tell me that they weren't paying for the rounds of chemo because chemo therapy is considered "experimental" & they don't cover these types of charges. Imagine being that patient - knowing that every round of chemo you were getting you now had to pay for out of pocket.

Another well known insurance company would deny the claim over and over, asking you to submit "additonal info" for them to reconsider the charges.

They would play this game for a good 12-14 months before making a FINAL decision of no. Stating that we haven't provided them with enough info to make a proper determination - a year's WORTH of additioanl info & thats NOT enough?

The insurance companies here in the US are not that much better. I have so many Chat Icon Chat Icon moments from working with them. Some of them are plain out nasty - they rather see you lose everything before paying on certain charges.



This is one of the main reason why my industry is a cash business and not insurance.

I have a lot of clients who would love a no fault insurance.

Dirty secret is that as a provider I would only be paid about 1/2 of what I would normally charge my client. It would take 3 claims to be paid.

First claim: a lot of insurance are being trained to trash it. Yes.... just trash it. They NEVER received it.

2nd claim: may get paid, may not.

3rd claim: we eventually get paid.

WHY do I have to deal with this? I had a client, I provided a treatment, the client pays his insurance. To take a no fault client I would have to get less $$ and go throught the hassle of being paid OR NOT!. Not woth it! And there is absolutelly not reason for them not to pay me.

Posted 8/3/09 2:18 PM
 
 

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