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PennyCat
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How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
I was given a student recently who is COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL!!! I mean, curses at me, laughs at me when she is getting scolded, jumps for joy when she is sent to the principal, etc.. And, when she is sent out of the room they talk to her for a few mins and she is right back in my room.
How do you ladies suggest I handle this girl?!?! I even gave her an extra assignment to do at home for misbehaving  I knoooow it will not get done! OH, and I should add that the parent couldn't care less and thinks her kid is a little genius in hiding! 
I am just clueless as to how to handle this, other than chanting over and over "7 more weeks! 7 more weeks!"
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LuvmyShihTzu
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
I'm sorry to hear this is happening so late in the year to boot! I would personally make a stink about her day in and day out to your chair, the AP of her grade level and take it to the principal if you do not get relief.
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| Posted 5/5/09 7:15 PM |
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drpepper318
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
Ugh, I know what you mean. I don't have any solution, but realize you're not the only one in that boat!
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| Posted 5/5/09 8:20 PM |
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MrsAT
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
stop sending her out of the room. It's a game to her at this point, and you're probably giving her exactly what she wants. It sounds like this student is simply seeking attention, and she's getting it. I know it's hard, but try ignoring the behavior. I'm not suggesting overlooking the cursing, I would either A) approach her quietly and say something like "that language is inappropriate" or "please don't speak like that in my presence" and move on. OR B) write these sentiments on a post-it and place it on her desk for her to read.
Give lots of praise to students around her. When my classes are a bit unruly, like after coming up from lunch, I actually spend the first minute of class thanking students individually for getting on task immediately. It really helps students get going. Thanking those around her might prompt her to get to work, also. Similarly, continuously praise the good things she does, and try to call on her at least once a class to participate: either responding to a question, reading the directions to a task-- simple things at first that will hold her accountable for her time in the classroom.
Hang in there, school's almost over. As for yourself, I would continue documenting instances of misbehavior and have private conferences and conferences with the guidance counselor if the problem persists. GL!
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| Posted 5/5/09 8:31 PM |
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Googlie
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
What grade is she in? I think a lot of how you handle it depends on this.
I've had similar situations in my classroom. I've done many things. I did complain to guidance and administration a lot. Not necessarily saying I want the kid out of my class but expressing concern over the affect she has on the class and herself. I've given detentions. When a kid ripped up a detention I wrote him, I wrote him another one for a lot more detentions, went up to him and said we can play this game all day - just try me. For whatever reason, that worked with him. I think he was testing me. Others I've tried talking to - sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I'm sorry I'm not much help, but it really depends on the age of the student, background of the student, your classroom dynamic and your personality. I know that I can get away with a lot more than other teachers because of my personality as well as that of my class. Good luck!! 7 more weeks!!!1
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| Posted 5/5/09 10:59 PM |
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jewels
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
are you in the city? if so you could request a day's removal to the SAVE room
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| Posted 5/6/09 5:05 PM |
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PennyCat
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
Posted by jewels
are you in the city? if so you could request a day's removal to the SAVE room
Yes I am, I never heard of this room!  What is it and do all city schools have this? Is it like detention?
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| Posted 5/6/09 7:17 PM |
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PennyCat
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
Posted by Googlie
What grade is she in? I think a lot of how you handle it depends on this.
I've had similar situations in my classroom. I've done many things. I did complain to guidance and administration a lot. Not necessarily saying I want the kid out of my class but expressing concern over the affect she has on the class and herself. I've given detentions. When a kid ripped up a detention I wrote him, I wrote him another one for a lot more detentions, went up to him and said we can play this game all day - just try me. For whatever reason, that worked with him. I think he was testing me. Others I've tried talking to - sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I'm sorry I'm not much help, but it really depends on the age of the student, background of the student, your classroom dynamic and your personality. I know that I can get away with a lot more than other teachers because of my personality as well as that of my class. Good luck!! 7 more weeks!!!1
It's 6th grade.
I received good news actually, that it is not likely she will be staying with me  but lets see how that really does pan out
I have students in my class who were apparently behavior problems in their elementary schools but they are pretty good for me! I have a really good rapport with my students and they know I really do care about them. (Of course there will always be 1 in every bunch........ ) I find I can get away with more too because of my personality, and I'm actually pretty laid back. It takes a lot to get me to yell and throw a fit. It actually has only happened once this whole year!  What grade are you teaching?
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PennyCat
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
Posted by MrsAT
stop sending her out of the room. It's a game to her at this point, and you're probably giving her exactly what she wants. It sounds like this student is simply seeking attention, and she's getting it. I know it's hard, but try ignoring the behavior. I'm not suggesting overlooking the cursing, I would either A) approach her quietly and say something like "that language is inappropriate" or "please don't speak like that in my presence" and move on. OR B) write these sentiments on a post-it and place it on her desk for her to read.
Give lots of praise to students around her. When my classes are a bit unruly, like after coming up from lunch, I actually spend the first minute of class thanking students individually for getting on task immediately. It really helps students get going. Thanking those around her might prompt her to get to work, also. Similarly, continuously praise the good things she does, and try to call on her at least once a class to participate: either responding to a question, reading the directions to a task-- simple things at first that will hold her accountable for her time in the classroom.
Hang in there, school's almost over. As for yourself, I would continue documenting instances of misbehavior and have private conferences and conferences with the guidance counselor if the problem persists. GL!
Thank you SO MUCH for all of this great advice!  I am HOPEFULLY getting this girl out, but I never assume things are definite until I see it with my own eyes
I especially like your idea of writing down the things she says on post-its and putting it on her desk. I would seriously love to bring in a tape recorder tape her and play it back so she can hear how idiotic she sounds But, something tells me that might not be allowed! 
I have spoken to the guidance counselors about her and thankfully in my school, the guidance counselors are VERY supportive and understanding! I am REALLY thankful for that! 
(edited for spelling)
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jewels
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
Posted by PennyCat
Posted by jewels
are you in the city? if so you could request a day's removal to the SAVE room
Yes I am, I never heard of this room! What is it and do all city schools have this? Is it like detention?
all nyc schools should have a SAVE room, it's like a time-out room. SAVE stand for something like Schools Against Violence in Education. it should say something about the SAVE room in your school's safety plan. i think most schools don't enforce it properly. my school started getting serious about it last year. we have an out-of-classroom teacher whose office (like a small classroom) is used as the SAVE room. there is a form that we can fill out to request a child be removed from our room because of inappropriate behavior. of course the behavior has to be really disruptive to the class. i personally have not done it yet but many coworkers have. there always seems to be at least 1 child in there. you have to give the kid work to do for that day. your union rep or someone from your safety committee should know about it.
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PennyCat
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Re: How do you control those who CANNOT be controlled?!?
Posted by jewels
Posted by PennyCat
Posted by jewels
are you in the city? if so you could request a day's removal to the SAVE room
Yes I am, I never heard of this room! What is it and do all city schools have this? Is it like detention?
all nyc schools should have a SAVE room, it's like a time-out room. SAVE stand for something like Schools Against Violence in Education. it should say something about the SAVE room in your school's safety plan. i think most schools don't enforce it properly. my school started getting serious about it last year. we have an out-of-classroom teacher whose office (like a small classroom) is used as the SAVE room. there is a form that we can fill out to request a child be removed from our room because of inappropriate behavior. of course the behavior has to be really disruptive to the class. i personally have not done it yet but many coworkers have. there always seems to be at least 1 child in there. you have to give the kid work to do for that day. your union rep or someone from your safety committee should know about it.
Wow I can't believe I'm in a city school and never heard about this!
Protocol in my school is ..... kid misbehaves, kid is sent to the dean, dean talks to kid, kid returns to class and acts out just like before.
I have been fortunate to not require much assistance from the dean up until the arrival of this student, but seriously, the discipline plan makes me a little nuts  because there's just so much we can do in the classroom and the kids need to know there will be more serious consequences if the situation carries itself outside of the classroom. It turns into a game!
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