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How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

WASHINGTON — Homeowners with certain subprime loans will benefit from a five-year freeze in their interest rates, under a plan the Bush administration will unveil Thursday, according to people with knowledge of the deal that's being forged with the mortgage industry.

The plan is intended to ease the threat to the economy from the cascading number of foreclosures among subprime borrowers. The Treasury Department estimates that the plan could grant financial relief to hundreds of thousands of homeowners.

U.S. officials have been negotiating the voluntary deal with lenders, mortgage servicing firms and other companies. The sources who disclosed details of the plan were not authorized to speak on the record before the official announcement.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has insisted that taxpayer money will not be used in the deal. Rather, investors who bought mortgage-backed securities that included subprime loans, expecting a high return, will bear the brunt.

The plan covers only subprime adjustable-rate loans issued from January 2005 to mid-2007 that will reset to higher rates starting next year through mid-2010. To qualify, borrowers must live in their home but be unable to afford their payments once they rise. They must also have less than 3% equity in the home, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, which took part in the negotiations.
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Nearly 17% of subprime borrowers were at least one payment behind in the first quarter of this year, and few, if any of them, will qualify for the plan.

The plan emerged from talks between Paulson and other banking regulators and banks, mortgage investors and consumer groups trying to address an avalanche of feared foreclosures as an estimated 2 million subprime mortgages reset from lower introductory "teaser" rates to higher rates.

In many cases, the higher rates will boost monthly payments by as much as 30%, making it very difficult for many people to keep current with their loans. The plan is aimed at homeowners who are making payments on time at lower introductory mortgage rates but cannot afford a higher adjusted rate.

The restrictions, especially the lack of aid for homeowners who recently lost homes or who are now in foreclosure, drew criticism from some consumer advocates. The planned freeze on interest rates on various subprime loans doesn't help the vast majority of those hurt by the crisis, says Maude Hurd, president of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which represents low- and moderate-income families.

Paulson's proposal also received a mixed reception from some lawmakers, who are concerned that the government is getting too deeply involved in the marketplace, or that bondholders will oppose the deal.

"The $64,000 question," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., is "will investors who might balk at this be able to maintain legal roadblocks and prevent the plan from going into effect?"

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

I think it is pointless! People knew what they were getting into when they signed on for these mortgages. Bail them out now, and what happens the next time? And we wonder why society is the way it is!

I will say, I would be livid if taxpayer money was being used for this. No way should I be paying for someone else's stupidity.

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Posted 12/6/07 12:46 PM
 

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I think it is pointless! People knew what they were getting into when they signed on for these mortgages. Bail them out now, and what happens the next time? And we wonder why society is the way it is!

I will say, I would be livid if taxpayer money was being used for this. No way should I be paying for someone else's stupidity.



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Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has insisted that taxpayer money will not be used in the deal. Rather, investors who bought mortgage-backed securities that included subprime loans, expecting a high return, will bear the brunt.




They're not using taxpayer money and as far as I can see, it would be voluntary. I'm not sure how I feel about and I'm not sure it will truly help the housing market right now... I just don't know enough to make that prediction. I'm inclined to say "these people should get what they bargained for" -- but the market is bad and getting worse, so I don't know. ETA - I think it will hurt the economy and other markets, though, which is why I'm not a huge fan of it...

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Posted 12/6/07 12:51 PM
 

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

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I think it is pointless! People knew what they were getting into when they signed on for these mortgages. Bail them out now, and what happens the next time? And we wonder why society is the way it is!




I do not agree. First time home owners are NOT always aware of the risks of ARM's. My mortgage broker tried to talk us into an ARM and SOLD it as a wonderful thing for us. Gave us nothing but positive information about it. I have worked in the financial services industry for years so I knew better. However, I do not assume and WILL not assume that everyone is as educated.

I have seen people on this message board talk about their personal problems that to me, seem like there are easy answers because I have experience. However, if it is something that is new to you and you are not "in the know", you can easily become trapped.

Mortgage companies are in business to make money and that is not always in the best interest of the consumer. Based on my experience in the field, I KNOW that sub-prime lenders take advantage of people. I quit my job at a sub-prime lender because I couldn't believe the lengths they would go to just to make a buck.

I think the industry is guilty and the government also has accountability for not regulating the sub-prime markets more strictly. I don't know if this solution provided by the goverment is a "fix" but it is at least a stop gap to stop the bleeding.

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

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It annoys me. So these people can go and make poor decisions, buy houses that they can't afford and then the govt comes in to bail them out. So then responsible taxpayers and citizens who spend their money wisely and make good financial decisions end up paying. It irks me.



what she said. But the reason its happening is not to help those people who made the stupid decisions in the first place, but to prevent our economy from going into a depression.

Posted 12/6/07 12:54 PM
 

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It annoys me. So these people can go and make poor decisions, buy houses that they can't afford and then the govt comes in to bail them out. So then responsible taxpayers and citizens who spend their money wisely and make good financial decisions end up paying. It irks me.



Taxpayers aren't paying for this.

The problem is balancing markets right now. The housing and lending markets are bad right now and getting worse. A much more serious drop and we could all be in trouble -- these markets are an integral part of the economy and major problems in these markets will be felt in other areas by most people in the country.

Part of my problem with it is that I feel it will hurt other markets (like those investors who bought the mortgages), and I'm not sure how big of an impact THAT could have...

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Posted 12/6/07 12:58 PM
 

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

I feel that some of these people need help but it is only going to help those that meet those specific guidelines as stated in the report above. I also think that the homeowner is going to have to seek the help and the mortgage companies are not going to do anythign to tell someone they qualify.

I do think it will help the housing market stay where it is or maybe even go down a little more before it goes back up. My concern is if the gov't doesn't step in as they are and come up with something (and I agree our tax dollars shouldn't help them--and I understand that this plan doesn't) then the housing economy will tank--a foreclosure on someones block is not nice to look at and can negatively effect your property value and I wouldn't want to see anyone out on the street even if they understood at the time what they were gettng themselves into. I think alot of people thought that the interest rates would still be low in a few years OR the could refinance and get a fixed rate which is what alot of people were told by brokers. They are now finding themselves with no equity in their homes, they can't sell them to get out or their credit hasn't improved that much to have them qualify for a fixed rate.

It may be rewarding bad decisions in some way but it isn't like they won't be paying their mortgage their mortgage is just not going to readjust when it was suppose to and shoot up to 10%. I agree these people made bad decisions but I think some of them made bad decisions because they had no choice (or at least that is how they felt).

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Posted 12/6/07 1:02 PM
 

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

As an economist, this is an awful, awful thing. Markets shouldn't be messed with by government intervention. As I have said before, people foreclosing on houses because they got into a situation they couldn't originally afford is the natural way this will correct itself.

As a recent homebuyer, however, I love it, and hope that it keeps house prices high Chat Icon

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my opinion - the homeowners seemingly bear no responsibility for their actions. I agree that many brokers and lenders are sleazy and will do anything to make a buck. but the homebuyers sign all the documents and IMO, this is the biggest purchase a person makes. it is ridiculous to assume you can afford a an $800K house when you earn less than $100K per year. which is exactly what some people in Massapequa did - it was in the Sunday Newsday a few weeks ago (the cover story). so these people should be bailed out for not researching inflated property values and agreeing to have their broker LIE on their behalf?

Posted 12/6/07 1:18 PM
 

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

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I agree these people made bad decisions but I think some of them made bad decisions because they had no choice (or at least that is how they felt).



They had a choice not to buy a house. I have no idea why people who can't afford houses, or want more house than they can afford, buy a house. I understand that buying is considered better than renting, but isn't being able to pay your rent on time and maybe even put some money into savings better for you in the long run than signing onto a mortgage that you really can't afford and risking foreclosure? It's bad decision making on the part of the purchaser. I know the mortgage brokers were sleazy in pushing these loans, and I think they should be held responsible, but if you sign up for a mortgage and then it turns out you can't pay it back, your house should be foreclosed.

Posted 12/6/07 1:27 PM
 

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I think it is pointless! People knew what they were getting into when they signed on for these mortgages. Bail them out now, and what happens the next time? And we wonder why society is the way it is!




I do not agree. First time home owners are NOT always aware of the risks of ARM's. My mortgage broker tried to talk us into an ARM and SOLD it as a wonderful thing for us. Gave us nothing but positive information about it. I have worked in the financial services industry for years so I knew better. However, I do not assume and WILL not assume that everyone is as educated.



I have to totally disagree with you. As a consumer, it is your job to be aware of what you are getting yourself into. Ignorance should not be an excuse for making poor decisions. It baffles me that people will sign a document worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and not know what they are getting themselves into.

I bought my house when I was single and 27. I knew better than to get an ARM, as even the most secure of situations can change.

Posted 12/6/07 1:30 PM
 

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Re: How do you feel about this? "Subprime help: Some loan rates to be frozen"

I'd like to know when I'm going to get assistance from the government for struggling to be middle class, doing the proper research before getting a mortgage & buying a house, trying to find safe affordable day care etc....Chat Icon

Posted 12/6/07 1:31 PM
 

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honestly--this is such a tough situation.

i do income taxes--and i have a lot of clients that are immigrants as well as americans who barely scrape by. and i think the sub-prime mess is mix of both the poor judgement and sometimes education of those buying these homes---mixed with the greedy mortgage companies. i have seen so many ppl who i swear, can barely read and write (as well as don't even speak the language) come in with their mortgage statements on home....and tell me how they are just barely getting by cause they are renting out every freaking room cause they never really fully understood how much their mortgage was going to be each month. at the closing they are told "sign here...sign there" and don't know what they are doing.

sooooo many of the sub prime mortgage companies lie on the forms and put bogus salary information to get the loans for ppl--and while yes, i do understand that the home buy MUST sign and approve this---keep in mind that uneducated ppl as well as those who do not speak english---sometimes just do not know what they are doing and put their trust in the mortgage companies.

as for this current situation--i don't really know how it will work out--but it truly is sad how these ppl are misinformed when they purchase these homes and taken advantage of. not everyone falls into this catetgory---but MANY do....and then regular middle class ppl have to bail them out!

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Posted 12/6/07 2:00 PM
 

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I'd like to know when I'm going to get assistance from the government for struggling to be middle class, doing the proper research before getting a mortgage & buying a house, trying to find safe affordable day care etc....Chat Icon



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Yes, and I wonder, what about the people who had ARMs, but once the payments were increased, still continued to timely make their payments? What do they get, except for the shaft? Do their interest rates go back down and freeze, and do they get a refund as a reward for meeting their obligations? I think not.

Posted 12/6/07 2:13 PM
 

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Also, I understand that some brokers are sleazy and lie, and that some buyers are uneducated or don't speak English, etc. But I just feel like that's not a good enough excuse. I mean, I am totally stupid when it comes to the stock market and making investments. If I rely on financial advice from a broker and my investments go sour, am I entitled to a refund due to my ignorance? No, I am not.

Posted 12/6/07 2:16 PM
 

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Posted by melbalalala

As an economist, this is an awful, awful thing. Markets shouldn't be messed with by government intervention. As I have said before, people foreclosing on houses because they got into a situation they couldn't originally afford is the natural way this will correct itself.




I completely agree.

As someone who didn't take out a loan to expand my house & make home improvements because we were prudently waiting until we had enough money,it sickens me that people are getting bailouts. I blame the industry themselves for giving out loans to people who could not pay them back. They should have been turned down for loans period. Now that those people can't pay them back, the banks should reap what they sow.

Posted 12/6/07 2:19 PM
 

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I agree these people made bad decisions but I think some of them made bad decisions because they had no choice (or at least that is how they felt).



They had a choice not to buy a house. I have no idea why people who can't afford houses, or want more house than they can afford, buy a house. I understand that buying is considered better than renting, but isn't being able to pay your rent on time and maybe even put some money into savings better for you in the long run than signing onto a mortgage that you really can't afford and risking foreclosure? It's bad decision making on the part of the purchaser. I know the mortgage brokers were sleazy in pushing these loans, and I think they should be held responsible, but if you sign up for a mortgage and then it turns out you can't pay it back, your house should be foreclosed.

I completely agree with this!

Posted 12/6/07 2:36 PM
 

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While I'm still not sure where I stand on this, I really don't think the government is thinking, "Gee, these poor, stupid fools will never learn. Let's bail them out!" It's not that simple. I think they are attempting to avoid a catastrophic blow to the housing and mortgage lending markets and the economy as a whole. That affects all of us, not just the people who would seemingly benefit from this program.

I venture to say that if things got terribly worse and the economy got even worse, people would be wanting to know why the government isn't stepping in or why no one tried to prevent it... Damned if you do and damned if you don't sometimes...

I'm still not sure where I stand. I'm generally very Darwinian and very free-market / anti-regulation in a lot of ways, but I'm on the fence about this. Doing something to avoid a major blow to the economy that will hurt almost everyone doesn't bother me so much - I'm more concerned with whether or not it will actually help that much.

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While I'm still not sure where I stand on this, I really don't think the government is thinking, "Gee, these poor, stupid fools will never learn. Let's bail them out!" It's not that simple. I think they are attempting to avoid a catastrophic blow to the housing and mortgage lending and the economy as a whole. That affects all of us, not just the people who would seemingly benefit from this program.

I venture to say that if things got terribly worse and the economy got even worse, people would be wanting to know why the government isn't stepping in or why no one tried to prevent it... Damned if you do and damned if you don't sometimes...

I'm still not sure where I stand. I'm generally very Darwinian and very free-market / anti-regulation in a lot of ways, but I'm on the fence about this. Doing something to avoid a major blow to the economy that will hurt almost everyone doesn't bother me so much - I'm more concerned with whether or not it will actually help that much.

IMO, this is an election tactic, nothing more. and it's revolting!!!!

Posted 12/6/07 2:43 PM
 

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Posted by cpanyc

It annoys me. So these people can go and make poor decisions, buy houses that they can't afford and then the govt comes in to bail them out. So then responsible taxpayers and citizens who spend their money wisely and make good financial decisions end up paying. It irks me.



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I'd like to know when I'm going to get assistance from the government for struggling to be middle class, doing the proper research before getting a mortgage & buying a house, trying to find safe affordable day care etc....Chat Icon



IA with you too!

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I think it is pointless! People knew what they were getting into when they signed on for these mortgages. Bail them out now, and what happens the next time? And we wonder why society is the way it is!




I do not agree. First time home owners are NOT always aware of the risks of ARM's. My mortgage broker tried to talk us into an ARM and SOLD it as a wonderful thing for us. Gave us nothing but positive information about it. I have worked in the financial services industry for years so I knew better. However, I do not assume and WILL not assume that everyone is as educated.



I have to totally disagree with you. As a consumer, it is your job to be aware of what you are getting yourself into. Ignorance should not be an excuse for making poor decisions. It baffles me that people will sign a document worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and not know what they are getting themselves into.

I bought my house when I was single and 27. I knew better than to get an ARM, as even the most secure of situations can change.



I believe that the consumer has responsibility as well as the business. The consumer is not the only one at fault.

While you may have been fiscally responsible, I would have to say you are not the majority. How many people have been bailed out by a parent when they over extended in college? Or bailed out because they signed up for too many credit cards? Or too many student loans? Or leased a car and lost money on it? Or paid too much in interest for a car that wasn't worth the principal let alone the interest?

Credit is made available and if you are not educated, you can make life long mistakes. While the consumer has to be accountable, so does the business.

Posted 12/6/07 2:46 PM
 

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I think it is pointless! People knew what they were getting into when they signed on for these mortgages. Bail them out now, and what happens the next time? And we wonder why society is the way it is!




I do not agree. First time home owners are NOT always aware of the risks of ARM's. My mortgage broker tried to talk us into an ARM and SOLD it as a wonderful thing for us. Gave us nothing but positive information about it. I have worked in the financial services industry for years so I knew better. However, I do not assume and WILL not assume that everyone is as educated.



I have to totally disagree with you. As a consumer, it is your job to be aware of what you are getting yourself into. Ignorance should not be an excuse for making poor decisions. It baffles me that people will sign a document worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and not know what they are getting themselves into.

I bought my house when I was single and 27. I knew better than to get an ARM, as even the most secure of situations can change.

I couldn't agree more Karen. We're not talking about a simple retail store purchase - we're talking about money upwards of close to half a MILLION dollars. People need to take responsibility and do the research themselves. They should not be relying on what others are selling them when money is involved.

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