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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by Pumpkin1
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I think it all depends on your placement in this and where they are compared to you.
As a manager in my office, I would want to know if an employee was abusing the policy. I know that other though wouldn't feel comfortable coming to tell me b/c they feel that it would be ratting someone out.
Are there other senior employees whom you can speak with about this? Perhaps a group of you can go and speak to the boss(es).
There are a few senior employees who have been speaking about it. This is why I asked because they don't know how to approach the boss about it without sounding like they are complaining and tattle-tailing. THEY are the ones who have been told to be the examples for the "newbies" and have been "scolded" for even asking to come in late.
I agree with the others that you should mind your own business. But, it you all feel like you must say something, I'd tell the boss as a group and then describe it as a problem with "new hires" as opposed to individually.
Honestly, if I remember correctly, you've posted here before about whether to rat out your coworkers. Honestly, why are you so consumed with what your co-workers are doing/getting away with? IMO, just do your job and stop worrying about other people doing their jobs.
Thanks for your input. I AM doing my job, thanks. I am actually one of the ones who do my job and get it all done and don't sit all day and complain about not having enough time (while bsing with other co-workers, talking on the phone, coming back late from lunch, etc.). It just gets very annoying when you do the right thing all the time and others do not and you are the one who gets in trouble if you do something once or ask to be late here and there for important things because you need to be an "example".
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Question--do you go onto LIF at work? If so, would you be pissed if someone ratted you on on how much time you spend on a forum?
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| Posted 4/4/12 4:25 PM |
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by CanThsBit
Question--do you go onto LIF at work? If so, would you be pissed if someone ratted you on on how much time you spend on a forum?
If I did not get my work done and sat around all day and complained about it and just went online, sure, that would be a reason to "rat" on someone.
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| Posted 4/4/12 4:30 PM |
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Xelindrya
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by hazeleyes33
In a way it IS affecting the other co-workers though, especially the ones who have been there awhile as they are told they need to be examples for the newer employees. How much MORE can they be examples though and not get walked all over?
But aren't seasoned employees ALWAYS (even without being told) supposed to be the role models?
You are setting an example. How is their walking in late affect YOUR example of what's right?
How is them walking in late = walking all over you? Do they answer to you or your bosses? They are disrespecting your boss, not you.
I dunno.. im gonna stop. I gave my opinion to what you asked.
But I have to say I agree with you about the 'wrongness' of it. just not the idea of saying it. Unless it came up from them first like "Where's Sandy? Oh she doesnt come back until about 1:30" etc.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by hazeleyes33
In a way it IS affecting the other co-workers though, especially the ones who have been there awhile as they are told they need to be examples for the newer employees. How much MORE can they be examples though and not get walked all over?
But aren't seasoned employees ALWAYS (even without being told) supposed to be the role models?
You are setting an example. How is their walking in late affect YOUR example of what's right?
How is them walking in late = walking all over you? Do they answer to you or your bosses? They are disrespecting your boss, not you.
I dunno.. im gonna stop. I gave my opinion to what you asked.
But I have to say I agree with you about the 'wrongness' of it. just not the idea of saying it. Unless it came up from them first like "Where's Sandy? Oh she doesnt come back until about 1:30" etc.
It is just the point of everyone taking advantage because they are not spoken to (because again, what do you say to inform the boss without sounding like a snitch). If the "seasoned" employees got a break here and there then there would not be a problem but they are treated like they just started EXCEPT in this type of situation.
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ave1024
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by hazeleyes33
In a way it IS affecting the other co-workers though, especially the ones who have been there awhile as they are told they need to be examples for the newer employees. How much MORE can they be examples though and not get walked all over?
But aren't seasoned employees ALWAYS (even without being told) supposed to be the role models?
You are setting an example. How is their walking in late affect YOUR example of what's right?
How is them walking in late = walking all over you? Do they answer to you or your bosses? They are disrespecting your boss, not you.
I dunno.. im gonna stop. I gave my opinion to what you asked.
But I have to say I agree with you about the 'wrongness' of it. just not the idea of saying it. Unless it came up from them first like "Where's Sandy? Oh she doesnt come back until about 1:30" etc.
It is just the point of everyone taking advantage because they are not spoken to (because again, what do you say to inform the boss without sounding like a snitch). If the "seasoned" employees got a break here and there then there would not be a problem but they are treated like they just started EXCEPT in this type of situation.
Just stay out of it. You have no idea what arrangement they worked out with their boss.
Or just start taking 90 minute lunches yourself if nobody is checking.
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lovemyfamily88
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
I know its annoying and frustrating but I wouldn't say anything. Eventually people who aren't doing the right thing will get caught.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by ave1024
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by hazeleyes33
In a way it IS affecting the other co-workers though, especially the ones who have been there awhile as they are told they need to be examples for the newer employees. How much MORE can they be examples though and not get walked all over?
But aren't seasoned employees ALWAYS (even without being told) supposed to be the role models?
You are setting an example. How is their walking in late affect YOUR example of what's right?
How is them walking in late = walking all over you? Do they answer to you or your bosses? They are disrespecting your boss, not you.
I dunno.. im gonna stop. I gave my opinion to what you asked.
But I have to say I agree with you about the 'wrongness' of it. just not the idea of saying it. Unless it came up from them first like "Where's Sandy? Oh she doesnt come back until about 1:30" etc.
It is just the point of everyone taking advantage because they are not spoken to (because again, what do you say to inform the boss without sounding like a snitch). If the "seasoned" employees got a break here and there then there would not be a problem but they are treated like they just started EXCEPT in this type of situation.
Just stay out of it. You have no idea what arrangement they worked out with their boss.
Or just start taking 90 minute lunches yourself if nobody is checking.
There is no arrangement and if they knew my boss would flip a lid.
I could NEVER do that. I believe in doing the right thing, being responsible and reliable. It seems others who are not get ahead before others who do the right thing though 
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Life is not fair. Guess what, they might also get paid more than you do.
IMO you have 2 options - Do you work, pickup your check and MYOB - or quit.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by Blazesyth
Life is not fair. Guess what, they might also get paid more than you do.
IMO you have 2 options - Do you work, pickup your check and MYOB - or quit.
Oh believe me, I know life is not fair-lol
I just hate the fact that people who do the right thing are sometimes the ones that get in trouble and the ones who do not get a free pass.
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| Posted 4/4/12 9:31 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
I was thinking more about this.
I agree with Xel...you are supposed to be dong the right thing & be a role model. If someone is saying that to you, I would say "I am a role model. I'm here on time, I'm not watzing in after an hour & a half lunch."
It doesn't take a model employee to set an example. It take a manager to take action. If you have an excellent relationship wit your boss & he relies on you to tell him what's going on, then tell him. I would say "I question whether I should say anything at all but since I know it's something that does bother you, some staff members are taking extended lunches, coming in late, etc. on a regular basis. I don't feel comfortable naming names & maybe they are doing something work related that I'm not aware of but I wanted to let you know."
I'm not able to fully take off my HR hat on this one so I may be stuck in management mode. I do have a boss who is a stickler for time. I'm not telling him how long people are out to lunch unless he specificially asks & I Know the answer. if I do notice something on a regular basis, I'm supposed to say something - even though my train is regularly late. He's also not the person that will confront anyone. He leaves it up to me but wants to be aware of it.
Rather than you saying something, I'd tell the managers to handle it.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by nrthshgrl
I was thinking more about this.
I agree with Xel...you are supposed to be dong the right thing & be a role model. If someone is saying that to you, I would say "I am a role model. I'm here on time, I'm not watzing in after an hour & a half lunch."
It doesn't take a model employee to set an example. It take a manager to take action. If you have an excellent relationship wit your boss & he relies on you to tell him what's going on, then tell him. I would say "I question whether I should say anything at all but since I know it's something that does bother you, some staff members are taking extended lunches, coming in late, etc. on a regular basis. I don't feel comfortable naming names & maybe they are doing something work related that I'm not aware of but I wanted to let you know."
I'm not able to fully take off my HR hat on this one so I may be stuck in management mode. I do have a boss who is a stickler for time. I'm not telling him how long people are out to lunch unless he specificially asks & I Know the answer. if I do notice something on a regular basis, I'm supposed to say something - even though my train is regularly late. He's also not the person that will confront anyone. He leaves it up to me but wants to be aware of it.
Rather than you saying something, I'd tell the managers to handle it.
Thanks so much for the advice.
ITA that there could be circumstances where someone is late all the time. Maybe I am just too responsible and reliable and do the right thing when it comes to this that it bothers me more than others. I am always on time (usually early) and will always call if I will be even a few minutes late. That is how I am and hate when people will take advantage. My boss never sees this so I think maybe the best way to go about it is to act concerned one day when this person is late and mentioning it. Maybe then something will be said to them for them to be aware that not only the co-workers know they are taking more time than allowed, the boss will know.
The best is, this person is just a temp who wants to be hired and says it over and over all day long, every day. 
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nrthshgrl
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by hazeleyes33
The best is, this person is just a temp who wants to be hired and says it over and over all day long, every day.
If she's a temp, she's likely an hourly employee. Who is signing her time card? THAT is the person that should be handling this.
Is it only your boss who is in charge of everything with no mangers underneath? This isn't an employee problem. It's a management problem. Do you work for a large company/small company? Is there an HR department?
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| Posted 4/5/12 9:17 AM |
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by hazeleyes33
The best is, this person is just a temp who wants to be hired and says it over and over all day long, every day.
If she's a temp, she's likely an hourly employee. Who is signing her time card? THAT is the person that should be handling this.
Is it only your boss who is in charge of everything with no mangers underneath? This isn't an employee problem. It's a management problem. Do you work for a large company/small company? Is there an HR department?
The boss signs it if in, if not, any other employee will sign it.
No managers underneath boss.
Large company, small dept. Yes, HR Dept.
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MrsDrMatt
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Holy cow, stay out of it. Your co-workers wills stop talking to you and you will soon have no friends at work if you keep reporting people (as per your previous posts).
Think of all the time you are wasting posting here and monitoring them. Looks like you are the one who is out of line.
Stick to your own reponsibilities.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by MrsDrMatt
Holy cow, stay out of it. Your co-workers wills stop talking to you and you will soon have no friends at work if you keep reporting people (as per your previous posts).
Think of all the time you are wasting posting here and monitoring them. Looks like you are the one who is out of line.
Stick to your own reponsibilities.
I don't come to work to make friends, I go there to work and that is what I do from the time I get in until the time I leave.
I am not monitoring anyone. It is just very obvious how late a person comes back from lunch when you work right next to them and everyone else is already back.
Thanks, but I don't think this is out of line since I am the responsible one and I am a senior worker in this situation (actually the highest senority).
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JenniferEver
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
I feel like there must be deeper issues at work for this to be bothering you so much. Once a week for 4 weeks? It sounded initially like it was every day.
I think what barb suggested is one option but I don't see why it bothers you so much if it's not impacting your work load. You know you're there on time. They may feel they can take a long lunch if they are getting their work done, just as you feel you can go on LIF if you're getting yours done.
I would NOT want to start an office war of tattletaling and everyone policing each other. I know you said you don't care to make friends, but it could get even more unpleasant for you than it is now
ETA: I know you said you're senior, meaning you've been there the longest, but it doesn't sound like they are under you at all, so it's really not up to you. Are you in a job where seniority matters, or you have an explicit responsibilty for new co-workers?
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by hazeleyes33
Thanks everyone so far for your responses. This is a fine line to walk.
I find it annoying (as other co-workers who are responsible and on time everyday) that someone can get away with doing this and feel no remorse to try and get back on time when they obviously know the "rules" of the job.
The politics in the office are messed up too as a more senior employee would have their head chopped off for this but these new employees continue to do it as nothing is being said to the boss and the boss is not aware of it.
I would mind my own business. The only time I manage at work is my own. I really don't care if someone takes a 3 hour lunch...honestly, I wouldn't even notice.
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| Posted 4/5/12 5:22 PM |
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by JenniferEver
I feel like there must be deeper issues at work for this to be bothering you so much. Once a week for 4 weeks? It sounded initially like it was every day.
I think what barb suggested is one option but I don't see why it bothers you so much if it's not impacting your work load. You know you're there on time. They may feel they can take a long lunch if they are getting their work done, just as you feel you can go on LIF if you're getting yours done.
I would NOT want to start an office war of tattletaling and everyone policing each other. I know you said you don't care to make friends, but it could get even more unpleasant for you than it is now
ETA: I know you said you're senior, meaning you've been there the longest, but it doesn't sound like they are under you at all, so it's really not up to you. Are you in a job where seniority matters, or you have an explicit responsibilty for new co-workers?
It is only happened 4 times as they only started going out to lunch 4 times so far. I doubt it is going to stop though.
Since work gets divied up by how much you have and if you can't get it done because you are bsing all day, then it is given to someone else. I don't want to have to take on someone else's work because they "claim" they have no time to do it.
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| Posted 4/5/12 9:09 PM |
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by SpiceGirl
Posted by hazeleyes33
Thanks everyone so far for your responses. This is a fine line to walk.
I find it annoying (as other co-workers who are responsible and on time everyday) that someone can get away with doing this and feel no remorse to try and get back on time when they obviously know the "rules" of the job.
The politics in the office are messed up too as a more senior employee would have their head chopped off for this but these new employees continue to do it as nothing is being said to the boss and the boss is not aware of it.
I would mind my own business. The only time I manage at work is my own. I really don't care if someone takes a 3 hour lunch...honestly, I wouldn't even notice.
We all work very closely so it is hard not to notice what goes on.
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
You're drawing negative attention to yourself IMO. No need to be proactive about it.
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| Posted 4/5/12 9:42 PM |
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Just another point of view, you never know when someone is dealing with medical issues, or doing something else on their lunch break because they have to.
When I was going to fertility treatments I often took an hour and a half lunch, thank goodness no one was watching me because I was upset about it anyway and it would have been horrible to be "told on".
And no one at my work knows, and still doesn't know. They would have never guessed. So really you never know what someone is going through.
In general I really could care less what others do unless they are directly messing with me!
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by Leb
Just another point of view, you never know when someone is dealing with medical issues, or doing something else on their lunch break because they have to.
When I was going to fertility treatments I often took an hour and a half lunch, thank goodness no one was watching me because I was upset about it anyway and it would have been horrible to be "told on".
And no one at my work knows, and still doesn't know. They would have never guessed. So really you never know what someone is going through.
In general I really could care less what others do unless they are directly messing with me!
ITA with you.
In this situation, the co-worker as said where they have gone. And even after another co-worker (I have NEVER said anything to this co-worker about her lateness) has tried to tell her that she is quite late and you can't really go to those places for lunch as they are too far, it goes in one ear and out the other.
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
I can see it from both sides.
However, I think in the end, unless it is affecting you and the team terribly, you should stay out of it.
I've been on the receiving end of this kind of "tattling" from someone who is not even on my team, nor does she have any understanding of my job.
It does NOT feel good and it makes the office awkward and uncomfortable.
There are people at work I suspect are not always where they are supposed to be, but I will do what I do to email, leave messages, CC my boss when necessary and time and time again, people who are not doing their work end up found out anyways.
Having supervised before as well, I know that it's not really a secret to the boss who is and isn't doing their work.
In the end, we'd all like to think we are perfect at work, but I am sure for every complaint I make about a co-worker, something could be found about me that I need to brush up on as well. This is across the board whether you're the COO or just a temp ;).
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hazeleyes33
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Re: How would you advise your boss.....
Posted by mzsocialworker1
I can see it from both sides.
However, I think in the end, unless it is affecting you and the team terribly, you should stay out of it.
I've been on the receiving end of this kind of "tattling" from someone who is not even on my team, nor does she have any understanding of my job.
It does NOT feel good and it makes the office awkward and uncomfortable.
There are people at work I suspect are not always where they are supposed to be, but I will do what I do to email, leave messages, CC my boss when necessary and time and time again, people who are not doing their work end up found out anyways.
Having supervised before as well, I know that it's not really a secret to the boss who is and isn't doing their work.
In the end, we'd all like to think we are perfect at work, but I am sure for every complaint I make about a co-worker, something could be found about me that I need to brush up on as well. This is across the board whether you're the COO or just a temp ;).
Thanks 
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