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faerychel
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
I just had to join in the conversation because I am baffled by this being considered "black face." A link was attached to someone's post, but I want to know how her "shimmer tint" is equated to the racial mockery that is this:
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Some people are offended.
Some are not.
If you aren't offended, you rolling your eyes and saying that those who don't think like you are ridiculous doesn't change any minds. My view is different, but I guess to some, the only right opinion is their own.
This was totally in poor taste to some of us. To others, it's just a Halloween costume.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Some people are offended.
Some are not.
If you aren't offended, you rolling your eyes and saying that those who don't think like you are ridiculous doesn't change any minds. My view is different, but I guess to some, the only right opinion is their own.
This was totally in poor taste to some of us. To others, it's just a Halloween costume.
The end.
Best thing said on this thread so far. I'll never understand the "your opinion is ridiculous and this is why..." comments.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Some people are offended.
Some are not.
If you aren't offended, you rolling your eyes and saying that those who don't think like you are ridiculous doesn't change any minds. My view is different, but I guess to some, the only right opinion is their own.
This was totally in poor taste to some of us. To others, it's just a Halloween costume.
The end.
Agreed. I can see both sides of it.
I have black family members as well. But I don't see this as overtly or intentionally offensive. And I do know the history of blackface and have studied African American history extensively. I do believe though it was done out of fun and it's not entirely fair to call it offensive, though I can certainly see why people would think so. I would say she did not consider the reception of her costume to the masses.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
I guess we as women should get offended when men dress as women impersonating us too.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by Daisy32
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Some people are offended.
Some are not.
If you aren't offended, you rolling your eyes and saying that those who don't think like you are ridiculous doesn't change any minds. My view is different, but I guess to some, the only right opinion is their own.
This was totally in poor taste to some of us. To others, it's just a Halloween costume.
The end.
Best thing said on this thread so far. I'll never understand the "your opinion is ridiculous and this is why..." comments.
Please.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by JoesWife628
I took numerous college classes on African American history being o.e of my concentrations is African American Literature. I truthfully do not believe this is offensive. Halloween costumes allow people to portray other characters. My friend posted pictures from a Halloween party last weekend where her African American male roommate had used pale foundation an dressed as Lady Gaga. Why is that not offensive? I do understand about the history of blackface because it was a way for white people to mock African Americans, however that is not what that actress was doing. The Wayans brothers dressed as white women in " white chicks" and acted as airheads. Yet again, not offensive. It was a Halloween costume. People need to lighten up.
ITA!! Not a big deal! And my co worker who is black says "who the hell cares" and that she looks like tan mom more. haha! So she doesnt see anything wrong with it either! And she does look like tan mom more!
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by rsquared
I think the difference is that there wasn't an offensive practice of black men dressing as white women in the past.
It has a lot to do with how privilege works, who has historically held the power, and which racial group has historically been the subject of ridicule in the entertainment industry.
This to me is the key point. Everyone keeps making comparisons to a black person dressing as a white person, or male dressing female etc. That's not the same comparison because of the history behind blackface.
I do think intent and context has a lot to do with it though. Poor judgment on her part for not realizing (or realizing and doing it anyway) that it would cause trouble.
I'm not personally offended by it - but i can certainly see how others would be.
So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by Otherme
Posted by rsquared
I think the difference is that there wasn't an offensive practice of black men dressing as white women in the past.
It has a lot to do with how privilege works, who has historically held the power, and which racial group has historically been the subject of ridicule in the entertainment industry.
This to me is the key point. Everyone keeps making comparisons to a black person dressing as a white person, or male dressing female etc. That's not the same comparison because of the history behind blackface.
I do think intent and context has a lot to do with it though. Poor judgment on her part for not realizing (or realizing and doing it anyway) that it would cause trouble.
I'm not personally offended by it - but i can certainly see how others would be.
So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
I didn't know Prince Harry dressed up as Hitler, so I can't respond to that because I don't know why he dressed up as Hitler. But, as a previous poster stated, why is it OK for comedians to throw out racial jokes,whether black, white, asian, whatever? Why is it OK for movies to come out that throw around stereotypes of races and religions? White people get made fun of just as much as blacks, so do Asians, Indians, etc.... If she can't dress up as a black man, then NO BLACK MAN is allowed to dres sup as a white man or woman. Nothing should be one sided, we are all equal arn't we? :)
ETA: I was the one who made the ridiculous comment. It wasn't made towards anyone who said they were offended. It was a general statemnent made in regards to how sensitive this world has become as a whole.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
i think there is a huge difference between this and blackface. the person who dressed as trayvon martin was more blackface than this. I think it was done with no harm or ill intentions and i do think alot of people look for things to be offended about.
white people wear sombreros on cinco de mayo and think its a holiday about drinking. not too many people make an argument about that. They dress like native americans, geisha's and gypsies too.
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| Posted 10/28/13 7:07 PM |
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by Otherme
Posted by rsquared
I think the difference is that there wasn't an offensive practice of black men dressing as white women in the past.
It has a lot to do with how privilege works, who has historically held the power, and which racial group has historically been the subject of ridicule in the entertainment industry.
This to me is the key point. Everyone keeps making comparisons to a black person dressing as a white person, or male dressing female etc. That's not the same comparison because of the history behind blackface.
I do think intent and context has a lot to do with it though. Poor judgment on her part for not realizing (or realizing and doing it anyway) that it would cause trouble.
I'm not personally offended by it - but i can certainly see how others would be.
So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
I didn't know Prince Harry dressed up as Hitler, so I can't respond to that because I don't know why he dressed up as Hitler. But, as a previous poster stated, why is it OK for comedians to throw out racial jokes,whether black, white, asian, whatever? Why is it OK for movies to come out that throw around stereotypes of races and religions? White people get made fun of just as much as blacks, so do Asians, Indians, etc.... If she can't dress up as a black man, then NO BLACK MAN is allowed to dres sup as a white man or woman. Nothing should be one sided, we are all equal arn't we? :)
ETA: I was the one who made the ridiculous comment. It wasn't made towards anyone who said they were offended. It was a general statemnent made in regards to how sensitive this world has become as a whole.
Not wanting to go back and forth but wanting to say this-People do get offended with comedians, movies, etc. I dated a famous comedian and let me tell you--he has some of the most offensive jokes and most would laugh but there were some in the audience who didnt for jokes that may have touched a nerve--So the assumption that its ok is a generalization.
I get what JH was trying to do-I am not offended HOWEVER I can understand why some may be sensitive.
And no, we are not all equal. Thats the great American myth.
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rsquared
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
This thread is spiraling out of control. I think there were some interesting debates raised about race, entertainment, context, etc. Clearly more than we are going to iron out on one thread.
But let's take this as a good thing-the dialogue was opened. I just wish people were able to keep it productive and not insult each other.
I am not ridiculous or uptight because I find this offensive. We all come from different experiences, social circles, educational climates that shape our views. And in my circle, everyone would find this offensive. But I didn't insult those who disagree.
I am done with the back and forth, but if anyone wants to continue talking about this off this thread, message me. I think these conversations are really important.
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Posted by Jonsgirl04
ITA!! Not a big deal! And my co worker who is black says "who the hell cares" and that she looks like tan mom more. haha! So she doesnt see anything wrong with it either! And she does look like tan mom more!
I actually thought she was tan mom too! LOL
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by Hofstra26
Robert Downey Jr. was in complete "blackface" playing a stereotypical African American male in the movie "Tropic Thunder". People thought it was hilarious. So hilarious in fact that he was nominated for an Oscar for that role. Nobody accused him of being an idiot, a racist, or offensive. People praised his performance and thought he was hysterical.
Now, JH dresses up for HALLOWEEN as a CHARACTER from a show and people are up in arms and losing their shit as if she's an ignorant racist. It makes NO sense to me. How is one different from the other?
Before anyone calls out something for being offensive I think it's important to take into account the CONTEXT in which the "offensive act" occurred and the person's INTENT behind it. You cannot just brush those two things aside as if it doesn't matter. It VERY much does and it changes the WHOLE dynamic of a person's actions.
In this case, IF she dressed up in blackface on some random day and strutted around town acting like an African American woman I would say, "Yep, offensive and wrong". BUT, to do it one night for a Halloween party in order to accurately depict a TV show character???...............yea, I have a VERY hard time finding anything offensive about that. It was in good fun and NOT meant to mock or hurt anyone or any race. You cannot ignore that fact.
For those that are so offended, I would hope you're also equally offended by ANY actor who ever depicts a character outside of their own race in a movie or show. Because after all, context evidently doesn't matter.............it's all offensive and racist. Right? 
Do you also get offended when stand up comics rip on everything and everyone in their routines as well? Likely, no. Why? Because within the CONTEXT of their stand up routine, it's funny. It's hilarious. However, if that same comic was walking down the street saying half of what they do within their routine it would be deemed offensive and inappropriate. But in context, within a show on stage, it's funny.
Same thing in this situation. Within the context of Halloween and where the WHOLE point of Halloween is to dress up as something you're not..............I don't feel she was offensive in any way. It was a costume, meant to be in good fun, for ONE night, at a COSTUME party. To make more of it than that, to me, is a reach. There does not have to be any historical or social significance attached to it. Take it at face value, it was a Halloween costume. Nothing more.
Agreed. It's a Halloween costume. Yes, there is a history of blackface being offensive, but this costume is not to ridicule or mock black people...it's to dress up as a particular character from a TV show, who happens to be black. I see no problem with it.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by Otherme
So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
Because Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. There is nothing funny about dressing up like him.
Crazy Eyes is a character from a popular TV show. The costume is harmless on the surface. Yes, someone with half a brain should have stopped to think, "hmmm, maybe someone might take offense to me wearing blackface," but the character itself is not offensive (unless of course, people with mental illnesses take offense to the name "Crazy Eyes."  )
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by JoesWife628
I took numerous college classes on African American history being o.e of my concentrations is African American Literature. I truthfully do not believe this is offensive. Halloween costumes allow people to portray other characters. My friend posted pictures from a Halloween party last weekend where her African American male roommate had used pale foundation an dressed as Lady Gaga. Why is that not offensive? I do understand about the history of blackface because it was a way for white people to mock African Americans, however that is not what that actress was doing. The Wayans brothers dressed as white women in " white chicks" and acted as airheads. Yet again, not offensive. It was a Halloween costume. People need to lighten up.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by Jax430
Posted by Otherme
So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
Because Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. There is nothing funny about dressing up like him.
Crazy Eyes is a character from a popular TV show. The costume is harmless on the surface. Yes, someone with half a brain should have stopped to think, "hmmm, maybe someone might take offense to me wearing blackface," but the character itself is not offensive (unless of course, people with mental illnesses take offense to the name "Crazy Eyes." )
But you do understand that to SOME people, seeing someone dressed up like this, reminds them of blackface, and of slavery. Which is hardly a pleasant thing to be reminded of.
Again, not looking to start a 'what's worse' comparison, at all, because its not about that. But I think where this whole debate comes from is that to some people, they see this black costume and it brings up a whole slew of negative connotations. Just like a Confederate flag might.
To others, it is just a costume.
Again, me personally - not offended. I'm just trying to explain why some others might be and that their being offended shouldn't be so easily dismissed.
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Posted by Hofstra26
Robert Downey Jr. was in complete "blackface" playing a stereotypical African American male in the movie "Tropic Thunder". People thought it was hilarious. So hilarious in fact that he was nominated for an Oscar for that role. Nobody accused him of being an idiot, a racist, or offensive. People praised his performance and thought he was hysterical.
Now, JH dresses up for HALLOWEEN as a CHARACTER from a show and people are up in arms and losing their shit as if she's an ignorant racist. It makes NO sense to me. How is one different from the other?
Before anyone calls out something for being offensive I think it's important to take into account the CONTEXT in which the "offensive act" occurred and the person's INTENT behind it. You cannot just brush those two things aside as if it doesn't matter. It VERY much does and it changes the WHOLE dynamic of a person's actions.
In this case, IF she dressed up in blackface on some random day and strutted around town acting like an African American woman I would say, "Yep, offensive and wrong". BUT, to do it one night for a Halloween party in order to accurately depict a TV show character???...............yea, I have a VERY hard time finding anything offensive about that. It was in good fun and NOT meant to mock or hurt anyone or any race. You cannot ignore that fact.
For those that are so offended, I would hope you're also equally offended by ANY actor who ever depicts a character outside of their own race in a movie or show. Because after all, context evidently doesn't matter.............it's all offensive and racist. Right?
Do you also get offended when stand up comics rip on everything and everyone in their routines as well? Likely, no. Why? Because within the CONTEXT of their stand up routine, it's funny. It's hilarious. However, if that same comic was walking down the street saying half of what they do within their routine it would be deemed offensive and inappropriate. But in context, within a show on stage, it's funny.
Same thing in this situation. Within the context of Halloween and where the WHOLE point of Halloween is to dress up as something you're not..............I don't feel she was offensive in any way. It was a costume, meant to be in good fun, for ONE night, at a COSTUME party. To make more of it than that, to me, is a reach. There does not have to be any historical or social significance attached to it. Take it at face value, it was a Halloween costume. Nothing more.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Nobody on either side is going to beat the other into submission with their explanations. However, The reason why It seems a majority of people are NOT offended is because we seem to agree that this is NOT blackface. Some disagree and nobody is going to change that and thats ok.
Imo When you dress as hitler...there's no mistaking that. There's no room for interpretation or dissection of intent...unless you are reenacting history in a play...dressing as hitler is offensive to most. This is not traditional blackface, nor is she mocking a race or sympathizing with oppressors. She is emulating a popular beloved character. When I dress like a zombie I don't just wear raggedy clothes and assume everyone will know what I am. I dress the part. That's what halloween is. Seeing a white kid dress up in shoe polish blackface as trayvon martin...THAT is offensive. Someone dressing up as their favorite character who happens to be black? Not so much.
I wonder if the outrage would be there of it were someone dressed as an inspirational black history peraona like rosa parks or martin luther King.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by meloyellow
Nobody on either side is going to beat the other into submission with their explanations. However, The reason why It seems a majority of people are NOT offended is because we seem to agree that this is NOT blackface. Some disagree and nobody is going to change that and thats ok.
ITA! There is a HUGE difference between "blackface" and how she painted her face.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
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So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
Because Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. There is nothing funny about dressing up like him.
Crazy Eyes is a character from a popular TV show. The costume is harmless on the surface. Yes, someone with half a brain should have stopped to think, "hmmm, maybe someone might take offense to me wearing blackface," but the character itself is not offensive (unless of course, people with mental illnesses take offense to the name "Crazy Eyes." )
But you do understand that to SOME people, seeing someone dressed up like this, reminds them of blackface, and of slavery. Which is hardly a pleasant thing to be reminded of.
Again, not looking to start a 'what's worse' comparison, at all, because its not about that. But I think where this whole debate comes from is that to some people, they see this black costume and it brings up a whole slew of negative connotations. Just like a Confederate flag might.
To others, it is just a costume.
Again, me personally - not offended. I'm just trying to explain why some others might be and that their being offended shouldn't be so easily dismissed.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
Posted by Daisy32
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Some people are offended.
Some are not.
If you aren't offended, you rolling your eyes and saying that those who don't think like you are ridiculous doesn't change any minds. My view is different, but I guess to some, the only right opinion is their own.
This was totally in poor taste to some of us. To others, it's just a Halloween costume.
The end.
Best thing said on this thread so far. I'll never understand the "your opinion is ridiculous and this is why..." comments.
Please.
I think both sides of the argument should get over themselves.
I see both sides doing the "your opinion is ridiculous and this is why" routine.
It's fine to have (and state) differing opinions, it's when the snide comments and editorials are added that it becomes annoying.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and they ALL stink.
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Re: Julianne Hough costume controversy
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Posted by Otherme
So for everyone that wasn't offended and can't see the big deal... Why was this not offensive, but Prince Harry dressing up as Hitler was?
(and i'm not looking to start an argument on who/what was worse..)
Because Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. There is nothing funny about dressing up like him.
Crazy Eyes is a character from a popular TV show. The costume is harmless on the surface. Yes, someone with half a brain should have stopped to think, "hmmm, maybe someone might take offense to me wearing blackface," but the character itself is not offensive (unless of course, people with mental illnesses take offense to the name "Crazy Eyes." )
But you do understand that to SOME people, seeing someone dressed up like this, reminds them of blackface, and of slavery. Which is hardly a pleasant thing to be reminded of.
Again, not looking to start a 'what's worse' comparison, at all, because its not about that. But I think where this whole debate comes from is that to some people, they see this black costume and it brings up a whole slew of negative connotations. Just like a Confederate flag might.
To others, it is just a costume.
Again, me personally - not offended. I'm just trying to explain why some others might be and that their being offended shouldn't be so easily dismissed.
Yes, I do understand that point. I don't think that it was the brightest thing for her to do, and certainly, I would never use black face, because I know that it can be offensive to some. It's just that I don't find her use of blackface for this specific purpose offensive. Insensitive, probably, but not offensive. I do understand why others might find it offensive though, and respect their opinions/feelings.
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