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Goldi0218
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Our pediatricians will discharge patients who do not vaccinate at all. I don't know their policy on delayed vaccinations.
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
stick to your convictions don't let him bully you! You can find a doctor who will respect your decision as a parent! After gbeing rejected by many peds I found one who truly understands my concerns and respects my decisions! So sorry you have to go through this!
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| Posted 12/22/09 2:06 PM |
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beachgirl
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Stick to your own gut on this and DO NOT let them bully you. I agree that they can do what they wish as its their practice but if you dont feel comfortable then dont do it.
I delayed the MMR with my oldest DD as well as the chicken pox. I am spreading out the vaccines with my 4mth old and had to endure a full on lecture from the ped during our last visit. I stuck to my guns though and only gave what I felt was appropriate at the time.
Doctors are educated but its your child and your decision and yes doctors make mistakes in their advise sometimes so go with your own gut and dont let them sway you
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| Posted 12/22/09 2:30 PM |
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brownie
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by pig22seal
He said "I will not have children walking around my office not having the MMR vaccine. These are serious illnesses when a young child has them."
My kind of doctor, thinking of the entire population of his patients
Posted by pig22seal
And this is why I am upset. I feel like I have "no control" over a decision that I feel is serious!
You DO have control, it just may involve switching doctors. 
ITA
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| Posted 12/22/09 2:34 PM |
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mooshyboo
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
I think you should do what is best for your child and if you and your Ped are not on the same page then I would find a new one that works for you and your child.
My Ped gives the MMR & Chicken Pox at 12 months ~ I have not given our DS the MMR yet and I space most of my shots out ~ I don't like giving more than one/two shots at a time ~ (my Ped is not happy about me not giving the MMR but she knows how I feel about vaccines yet I will probably give it to him at 18 months) There have been cases on Long Island I believe it was measles (don't quote me on it ~ but there has been outbreaks on LI)
Good Luck!
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hdrd0411
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
As a ped. dietitian this controversial topic comes up often. I am not going to take sides - it is a parents choice what they do for their children, but I will try to give explanation for both sides:
To Give Vaccine:
The CDC makes guidelines as to when children are "at increased risk" of coming in contact with illnesses, this is why the age guideline is set for vaccines, for the most part. In the US, the issues of diseases such as measles, mumps, polio, etc. are not very prevelant and were almost completely inocculated. The issue arises when we have refuges/immigrents from thrid world countries that have not been innoculated - therefore bringing the illness into the US. You practically never heard of a child getting measles anymore until the autism scare happened. Now more and more children are being exposed b/c they are not inocculated.
Ped's do not want to take the risk (most).
There has been a lot of published scientific evidence showing that vaccines do not cause autism
Against Vaccine:
Although the evidence has not been very supportive of showing a link with autism, there is still some controversy over this issues. Some suggest that if your child is already immuno-compromised and given 2/3 vaccines at once, that it may be too much for their bodies to handle and may develop a form of autism.
Furthermore, it is a parents choice to innoculate or not and at what time frame. Some do not believe in vaccines b/c most of these illnesses are not prevelant.
My ped. personally delays vaccine. He will not give more than 2 at each check up, so when my DS was a newborn I went monthly for appts. A lot of ped. won' t do this b/c insurance companies will not reimburse for this. My son is 19mths and did have the MMR at 15mth appt.
HTH! You have to do what is right for you and if your ped. is not someone who supports your choice find someone who will or will compromise with you.
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kerrycec03
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
12mos is standard. DS will be getting it this Jan.
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KarenAnthony
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
that's crazy. So funny because the nurse got the mmr ready for DS at his one year app't and i overheard the doctor tell the nurse to put it back. She knew i would want to hold off on it this just based on the fact that i've seperated all of DS's shots...i'm not giving DS the mmr until he starts nursery school.
I think u should get a new doctor.
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| Posted 12/22/09 3:23 PM |
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Kelly9904
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
We had both the MMR and Chicken Pox at the same visit when DS was 16 months (he was supposed to have it at 15 months)
My Dr has a similar policy, they dont split or delay so in the end if you dont agree they suggest you find another ped.
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| Posted 12/22/09 3:25 PM |
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Alex110879
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by hdrd0411
As a ped. dietitian this controversial topic comes up often. I am not going to take sides - it is a parents choice what they do for their children, but I will try to give explanation for both sides:
To Give Vaccine:
The CDC makes guidelines as to when children are "at increased risk" of coming in contact with illnesses, this is why the age guideline is set for vaccines, for the most part. In the US, the issues of diseases such as measles, mumps, polio, etc. are not very prevelant and were almost completely inocculated. The issue arises when we have refuges/immigrents from thrid world countries that have not been innoculated - therefore bringing the illness into the US. You practically never heard of a child getting measles anymore until the autism scare happened. Now more and more children are being exposed b/c they are not inocculated.
Ped's do not want to take the risk (most).
There has been a lot of published scientific evidence showing that vaccines do not cause autism
Against Vaccine:
Although the evidence has not been very supportive of showing a link with autism, there is still some controversy over this issues. Some suggest that if your child is already immuno-compromised and given 2/3 vaccines at once, that it may be too much for their bodies to handle and may develop a form of autism.
Furthermore, it is a parents choice to innoculate or not and at what time frame. Some do not believe in vaccines b/c most of these illnesses are not prevelant.
My ped. personally delays vaccine. He will not give more than 2 at each check up, so when my DS was a newborn I went monthly for appts. A lot of ped. won' t do this b/c insurance companies will not reimburse for this. My son is 19mths and did have the MMR at 15mth appt.
HTH! You have to do what is right for you and if your ped. is not someone who supports your choice find someone who will or will compromise with you.
I do want to add that the Mumps (aka the second M) was an issue very recently and their was a huge outbreak in ny just north of the city....
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lvdolphins
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
My ped. did it in 3 rounds (my request)
Round 1...12 months
Round 2...13 months
Round 3...14 months
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BlackJack96
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
A few points.
1. For those of you who feel the frustration of the OP let me say this, your pediatrician is providing his/her service and expertise, he/she is not a "hired gun" to do your bidding. That would be like if your mechanic refused you service if you didn't follow his recommendations for basic maintenance of your car. Same goes for vaccines.
2. As someone who deals with some pretty sick kids on a regular basis I am very passionately provaccine. My kids get all the shots on time, no quesitons asked. Aside from the "immunity of the waiting room" issue, any pediatrician who is not pro vaccine is not a child advocate and not someone I would want my children going to.
3. While the ongoing medical care of a child is something that is a group decision between parents and a pediatrician, in the end the pediatrician is your expert and I'd think after 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency training they would be better able to interpret the current medical literature over the average parent. Just like while I know a think or two about cars, I know my mechanic knows my car a lot better than I do, and since I have one I trust, I'll take his word on it when he feels something is wrong.
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JenBenMen
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
discharged???? what an a$$
I waited til my son was 2 yrs old and ped had NO problem
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| Posted 12/22/09 9:55 PM |
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by BlackJack96
A few points.
1. For those of you who feel the frustration of the OP let me say this, your pediatrician is providing his/her service and expertise, he/she is not a "hired gun" to do your bidding. That would be like if your mechanic refused you service if you didn't follow his recommendations for basic maintenance of your car. Same goes for vaccines.
If my mechanic refused to provide me service b/c I didn't follow his recommendations, I would find a new mechanic - same as I would find a new ped if he/she didn't listent to my concerns as a parent and have a frank discussion with me about EVERYTHING.
2. As someone who deals with some pretty sick kids on a regular basis I am very passionately provaccine. My kids get all the shots on time, no quesitons asked. Aside from the "immunity of the waiting room" issue, any pediatrician who is not pro vaccine is not a child advocate and not someone I would want my children going to.
IMHO, there is a huge difference between being pro-vaccine and blindly following recommendations like a lemming.
3. While the ongoing medical care of a child is something that is a group decision between parents and a pediatrician, in the end the pediatrician is your expert and I'd think after 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency training they would be better able to interpret the current medical literature over the average parent. Just like while I know a think or two about cars, I know my mechanic knows my car a lot better than I do, and since I have one I trust, I'll take his word on it when he feels something is wrong.
And here I totally disagree. Parents who take the time to educate themselves are very often better versed on a particular subject. For example, my ped recommended vitamins with fluoride in them for DD. I asked her why and we had a frank discussion about it. We then discussed what the American Dental Association has to say about recommended levels of fluoride. I knew more about the subject than she did at that moment. She went to a conference about oral hygiene and infants/toddlers @ 2 weeks later and we then had another discussion. In the end, DD didn't get the vitamins until after her teeth were in (which was what I believed to be correct in the first place).
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itsbabytime
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by BlackJack96
A few points.
1. For those of you who feel the frustration of the OP let me say this, your pediatrician is providing his/her service and expertise, he/she is not a "hired gun" to do your bidding. That would be like if your mechanic refused you service if you didn't follow his recommendations for basic maintenance of your car. Same goes for vaccines.
2. As someone who deals with some pretty sick kids on a regular basis I am very passionately provaccine. My kids get all the shots on time, no quesitons asked. Aside from the "immunity of the waiting room" issue, any pediatrician who is not pro vaccine is not a child advocate and not someone I would want my children going to.
3. While the ongoing medical care of a child is something that is a group decision between parents and a pediatrician, in the end the pediatrician is your expert and I'd think after 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency training they would be better able to interpret the current medical literature over the average parent. Just like while I know a think or two about cars, I know my mechanic knows my car a lot better than I do, and since I have one I trust, I'll take his word on it when he feels something is wrong.
I had to respond to this b/c I think you are completely wrong on #3. I don't think that in the 4 yrs of medical school and 3 years of residency they learn much if anything about the vaccines themselves - sure, they learn about the diseases but NOT the vaccines. I have experienced first hand that I often know more than the peds I am talking with about the vaccinations themselves. Some peds DO take it upon themselves to go the extra mile and do the research and make individualized decisions but, the vast majority do not. I have been given misinformation about vaccines by three different peds. In fact, a friend right out of medical school and fresh out of residency told me all the brands of the vaccine were the same and there was no difference in their ingredients - UM, not true. I could go on and on.
IN ADDITION, the peds job is to look out for society as a whole - so, yes, I can understand a ped saying they don't want to treat you if you don't follow their general rules BUT, that said, YOU the parent have to look out for YOUR child. The peds KNOW that a small percentage of children WILL have a reaction to the shots and some may even have life altering reactions but, b/c the majority will not that is what they base their advice on. As your child's mother only YOU know your child and only YOU are looking out for their individualized best interest - IMO to blindly follow the peds advice on every subject (ESPECIALLY subjects they may or may not be versed in) - is not being the best advocate for your child.
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alexlynn7
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by brownie
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by pig22seal
He said "I will not have children walking around my office not having the MMR vaccine. These are serious illnesses when a young child has them."
My kind of doctor, thinking of the entire population of his patients
Posted by pig22seal
And this is why I am upset. I feel like I have "no control" over a decision that I feel is serious!
You DO have control, it just may involve switching doctors.
ITA
i agree too.
i personally would withdraw my child from any pediatrician's practice who did NOT follow the CDC schedule.
why would i ever allow my unvaccinated newborn to sit in a waiting room with an unvaccinated toddler (who is more likely to be sick if he/she is waiting at the ped!)?
we can all argue here until we're blue in the face about the safety of vaccines. but when it comes to the danger /deadliness of diseases like measles in babies, there's no argument. we have numbers.
i can't control who's at the mall or at the park. but i CAN control which pediatrician i bring my child to... and so can you. i would find a ped who is willing to work with your wishes.
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pinkandblue
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by BlackJack96
A few points.
1. For those of you who feel the frustration of the OP let me say this, your pediatrician is providing his/her service and expertise, he/she is not a "hired gun" to do your bidding. That would be like if your mechanic refused you service if you didn't follow his recommendations for basic maintenance of your car. Same goes for vaccines.
2. As someone who deals with some pretty sick kids on a regular basis I am very passionately provaccine. My kids get all the shots on time, no quesitons asked. Aside from the "immunity of the waiting room" issue, any pediatrician who is not pro vaccine is not a child advocate and not someone I would want my children going to.
3. While the ongoing medical care of a child is something that is a group decision between parents and a pediatrician, in the end the pediatrician is your expert and I'd think after 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency training they would be better able to interpret the current medical literature over the average parent. Just like while I know a think or two about cars, I know my mechanic knows my car a lot better than I do, and since I have one I trust, I'll take his word on it when he feels something is wrong.
well said, I especially agree with your 2nd point...
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pinkandblue
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
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IMHO, there is a huge difference between being pro-vaccine and blindly following recommendations like a lemming.
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whose a lemming? I take offense to the implication that we (I) blindly follow recommendations, that is terribly unfair and presumptious 
eta - I am HOPING that your lemming comment was in response to the OP's "no questions asked" comment. If so, I apologize for taking your comment personally because I know for me, I DID ask a ton of questions and did research and at the end of the day, I decided to follow the CDC guidelines
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brownie
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by BlackJack96
A few points.
1. For those of you who feel the frustration of the OP let me say this, your pediatrician is providing his/her service and expertise, he/she is not a "hired gun" to do your bidding. That would be like if your mechanic refused you service if you didn't follow his recommendations for basic maintenance of your car. Same goes for vaccines.
2. As someone who deals with some pretty sick kids on a regular basis I am very passionately provaccine. My kids get all the shots on time, no quesitons asked. Aside from the "immunity of the waiting room" issue, any pediatrician who is not pro vaccine is not a child advocate and not someone I would want my children going to.
3. While the ongoing medical care of a child is something that is a group decision between parents and a pediatrician, in the end the pediatrician is your expert and I'd think after 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency training they would be better able to interpret the current medical literature over the average parent. Just like while I know a think or two about cars, I know my mechanic knows my car a lot better than I do, and since I have one I trust, I'll take his word on it when he feels something is wrong.
well said, I especially agree with your 2nd point...
Ditto!
And I also wanted to add that people who come from third world countries or other countries where polio etc is more rampant, 99% of the time will vaccinate when they get here because when you see people on a daily basis who are sick because of lack of vaccines, you want to protect your child. Also, you can educate yourself, but there has to be a level of trust when dealing with your doc....she/he is the expert. Like others said, if you don't like yours, switch to someone you like
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Posted by DancinBarefoot
IMHO, there is a huge difference between being pro-vaccine and blindly following recommendations like a lemming.
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whose a lemming? I take offense to the implication that we (I) blindly follow recommendations, that is terribly unfair and presumptious
eta - I am HOPING that your lemming comment was in response to the OP's "no questions asked" comment. If so, I apologize for taking your comment personally because I know for me, I DID ask a ton of questions and did research and at the end of the day, I decided to follow the CDC guidelines
ITA I take offense to that comment in general. For those of us who DID trust our Ped it was OUR personal choice. Just like it's YOUR personal choice to do what you want with your child.
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by brownie
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by pig22seal
He said "I will not have children walking around my office not having the MMR vaccine. These are serious illnesses when a young child has them."
My kind of doctor, thinking of the entire population of his patients
Posted by pig22seal
And this is why I am upset. I feel like I have "no control" over a decision that I feel is serious!
You DO have control, it just may involve switching doctors.
ITA
COMPLETELY agree - my doctor's practice has a firm vaccination policy as well - truthfully, I like, and admire the fact that they stand strong on their convictions. I really wouldn't want to go to a practice that's wishy washy and bends to every parent's wish. If you don't like their policy, you can find a new practice that aligns more closely with your perspective
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by DancinBarefoot
IMHO, there is a huge difference between being pro-vaccine and blindly following recommendations like a lemming.
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whose a lemming? I take offense to the implication that we (I) blindly follow recommendations, that is terribly unfair and presumptious
eta - I am HOPING that your lemming comment was in response to the OP's "no questions asked" comment. If so, I apologize for taking your comment personally because I know for me, I DID ask a ton of questions and did research and at the end of the day, I decided to follow the CDC guidelines
I *think* she was referring to certain peds as lemmings, who do no real research of their own into vaccines.
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
If a child is not vaccinated he is in more danger sitting in a waitting room than the children that are vaccinated.
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Re: Just left PED and soooo UPSET!
Blackjack-I also disagree with your third point. I also find I am more well versed on the medical literature of specific topics than my Ped. While YOU may be, many Ped's are not.
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Posted by alexlynn7
i agree too.
i personally would withdraw my child from any pediatrician's practice who did NOT follow the CDC schedule.
why would i ever allow my unvaccinated newborn to sit in a waiting room with an unvaccinated toddler (who is more likely to be sick if he/she is waiting at the ped!)?
we can all argue here until we're blue in the face about the safety of vaccines. but when it comes to the danger /deadliness of diseases like measles in babies, there's no argument. we have numbers.
i can't control who's at the mall or at the park. but i CAN control which pediatrician i bring my child to... and so can you. i would find a ped who is willing to work with your wishes.
ITA- especially about the point about the knowledge we have about these illnesses being deadly.
I also think BlackJack made some excellent points- while I did my research I also know that the amount I could glean and understand would not come close to what my dr. understands. Also, I feel that so much research these days that's written for laypeople is not objective. If I had concerns that he was not up on the current research, I'd look for another doc- I think to not be up on the current info shows a lack of responsiveness to patients because you know that most peds are likely getting hammered these days with questions.
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