| Posted By |
Message |
| Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 |
Songwriter76
LIF Adult
Member since 4/08 902 total posts
Name:
David
|
Re: McCain's speech
Ok--Big Surprise Here,
While I respect and admire the he!! out of McCain and what he went through (and that part of his speech was extremely touching) and he is a true American hero...I thought it was a horrible speech.
I was very curious what he meant by "Sarah Palin has worked with her hands and nose" until I realized there should have been a pause "Sarah Palin has worked with her hands...and knows..."
Its the first time I ever heard a party that is in control of the White House give a speech about how much change we need.
He lied--Obama is in favor of Nuclear energy and is willing to give in on offshore drilling if the plan included $$ for solar and wind power.
Everyone talks about how great the last 90 seconds were...I think there is a difference in exciting a crowd and the crowd here seemed to get excited because they were dying to. You couldn't even hear what McCain was saying.
LOVED the protestors too!
Once again to all the Republicans who read this--I RESPECT and ADMIRE McCain very much.
One last thing to anyone who thinks I'm being partisan---I thought Palin's speech was AMAZING (I didn't agree with any of it...but it was a GREAT speech)
Message edited 9/5/2008 10:17:17 AM.
|
Posted 9/5/08 10:16 AM  |
| |
|
Long Island Weddings
Long Island's Largest Bridal Resource |
DaniJude
You're My Home <3
Member since 11/06 14815 total posts
Name:
Danielle
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by ready2ttc
Posted by AliceCullen
I thought the speech was decent. He's not a great speaker, but he's certainly better than Bush.
His time in the military and as a POW is very admirable, but knowing how he came home and ran around on his wife and then left her for a 25 year old limits the amount of respect I have for him. I know it was over 30 years ago, but a man with so little personal integrity makes me doubt his integrity in general. Of course I feel the same way about Clinton, Edwards, Spitzer and every other politicial who has been involved in something similar. I have a hard time trusting any politicians at this point.
ITA. The Reagans, who were good friends with them, never wanted to have anything to do with McCain after he left his wife who waited and prayed for him while he was a POW. And all because he wasn't attracted to her anymore. 
I hope they don't make men like that anymore, though of course i know they do.
excuse me?
first of all, i was referring to a certain level of bravery and GOD knows what else it took him to survive the HORRORS he was put through -- most of us wouldn't be able to last ONE DAY in the environment he had to spend YEARS in -- with the kind of treatment you cringe to just HEAR about.
i was not referring to him in any other way - and, no offense, but how in the world do you know what really happened in their marriage? maybe after all those years so many things have changed - either from what happened to him or possibly not - how do you know it was b/c 'he wasn't attracted to her anymore'? c'mon - with so many people getting divorced nowadays it is a little ridiculous to say the fact that his marriage didn't work out is all his fault. he doesn't seem like he is running around with every intern he sees AT ALL - he seems quite dedicated and in love with his wife regardless of the fact that she is younger than him - she is not 18 - she is still a grown woman and they have had and adopted children together. there's a big difference between a man who was divorced once, remarried someone and seems totally devoted to that person and a man who runs around cheating on his wife openly with white house interns or whatever the case may be.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:18 AM |
| |
|
DaniJude
You're My Home <3
Member since 11/06 14815 total posts
Name:
Danielle
|
Re: McCain's speech
just wanted to add that ronald reagan was married to a woman before nancy -- they got divorced -- and he met and married nancy. and there is no other man on this earth i admire more as a husband than him - and he was divorced once. made no difference - he still had a marriage that i look up to and admire every single day.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:21 AM |
| |
|
Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
Member since 5/06 23378 total posts
Name:
remember, when Gulliver traveled....
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Blu-ize
Good speech, so was everyone else's except Guiliani's.
Debates...that's what I'm waiting for. I'm still not voting for McCain mostly because of Palin.
Very sad about his POW experience. Sounds surreal.
I would be curious to see how his speech differed from the past republican speeches. I may look that up and compare.
I know they commented yesterday that one of his comments was taken directly from a Bush speech 
I thought the speech was (as all convention speeches are) more fluff and "ideas"...hooks to get people talking and voting.
I think John McCain is a great man. I am deeply moved by his struggle and bravery in Vietnam, and I am warmed by his staunch support of the military.
However, beside the fact that I feel he is too old for the job (it's a reality...this job is CRUELING and it ages you rapidly) I don't agree with his economic plan. In that respect...he is absolutely in line with the Bush administration...and well, the plan sucks IMO.
and it seems that most every place he voted against the Reps, he found a running mate that voted would have against HIM, making them together, and COMPLETE REPUBLICAN package
I hope will all my heart that Senator McCain CONTINUES to serve this country in the senate after losing the election to Obama.
may god bless him.  
Message edited 9/5/2008 10:29:00 AM.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:25 AM |
| |
|
Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
Member since 5/06 23378 total posts
Name:
remember, when Gulliver traveled....
|
Re: McCain's speech
regarding his first marriage, it is widely known that he met cindy and one year later, he was divorced from his 1st wife. he married cindy VERY shortly after.
I don't care much about that. I don't care if he cheated or whatever. but it's not that hard to make the leap, if one did care.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:27 AM |
| |
|
AliceCullen
LIF Adult
Member since 6/08 1497 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
This is one of the articles I read about his first wife and what happened with their marriage. Doesn't paint him in the best light, but hopefully he has changed and matured over the years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:30 AM |
| |
|
DaniJude
You're My Home <3
Member since 11/06 14815 total posts
Name:
Danielle
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Ophelia
regarding his first marriage, it is widely known that he met cindy and one year later, he was divorced from his 1st wife. he married cindy VERY shortly after.
I don't care much about that. I don't care if he cheated or whatever. but it's not that hard to make the leap, if one did care.
i agree with this.
because there is a big difference between *ONE* marriage not working out - not countless ones - and keeping one wife for long periods of time while running around with numerous, numerous women. things weren't working out for him and his first wife and he openly admitted that the failure of his first marriage was the biggest moral failure of his entire life -- so, obviously he tried to work through it and it just didn't work which happens - especially to men who come home from war. i know, my grandfather came home after four years of being away fighting and living in hell to find his WIFE pregnant with someone else's kid.
things like that and things like men coming home different and the wives not knowing how to handle it or what to do - not their faults - happened a lot with war time men.
but, at this point, it seems like he remarried for the right reasons b/c the marriage has obviously been successful and there is no doubt in my mind that cindy and him are devoted to one another and there is no running around taking place.
and, i admire that he admitted that the marriage not working out was definitely half his fault - b/c there are always two in that type of union - and that it was a huge disappointment for him.
we agree ophelia!!
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:32 AM |
| |
|
GioiaMia
Let's Go Rangers!
Member since 1/07 14818 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Songwriter76
I was very curious what he meant by "Sarah Palin has worked with her hands and nose" until I realized there should have been a pause "Sarah Palin has worked with her hands...and knows..."
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:33 AM |
| |
|
DaniJude
You're My Home <3
Member since 11/06 14815 total posts
Name:
Danielle
|
Re: McCain's speech
i've learned, from personal experience, to never believe what is written in print. the new york times have written articles with no real factual basis about mccain cheating on his wife and then simply issued an apology afterwards saying they were wrong -- but no one remembers the retraction - they remember what they read and assume it is true.
i know b/c newsday, a few weeks ago, completely fabricated a story about my brother -- they had written some false things in the past but they were never that big --- but, in this case, they just made up everything!!! it was INSANE. and you realize how bad it can get when you are on the other end of it. 
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:34 AM |
| |
|
usuk2004
I'm ONE!
Member since 5/05 5150 total posts
Name:
Farah
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by DaniRella
i've learned, from personal experience, to never believe what is written in print. the new york times have written articles with no real factual basis about mccain cheating on his wife and then simply issued an apology afterwards saying they were wrong -- but no one remembers the retraction - they remember what they read and assume it is true.
i know b/c newsday, a few weeks ago, completely fabricated a story about my brother -- they had written some false things in the past but they were never that big --- but, in this case, they just made up everything!!! it was INSANE. and you realize how bad it can get when you are on the other end of it.
I haven't read that, but the Daily Mail is a notoriously questionable source! It's a total tabloid.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:38 AM |
| |
|
DaniJude
You're My Home <3
Member since 11/06 14815 total posts
Name:
Danielle
|
Re: McCain's speech
even the ones you would think are credible - like, i mean, newsday - they are a paper, not a trash mag, i've grown up with them my whole life - you would think that they would write factual stuff - especially when it comes to local news. i was wrong.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:40 AM |
| |
|
ready2ttc
LIF Toddler
Member since 8/08 383 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by DaniRella
Posted by ready2ttc
Posted by AliceCullen
I thought the speech was decent. He's not a great speaker, but he's certainly better than Bush.
His time in the military and as a POW is very admirable, but knowing how he came home and ran around on his wife and then left her for a 25 year old limits the amount of respect I have for him. I know it was over 30 years ago, but a man with so little personal integrity makes me doubt his integrity in general. Of course I feel the same way about Clinton, Edwards, Spitzer and every other politicial who has been involved in something similar. I have a hard time trusting any politicians at this point.
ITA. The Reagans, who were good friends with them, never wanted to have anything to do with McCain after he left his wife who waited and prayed for him while he was a POW. And all because he wasn't attracted to her anymore.
I hope they don't make men like that anymore, though of course i know they do.
excuse me?
first of all, i was referring to a certain level of bravery and GOD knows what else it took him to survive the HORRORS he was put through -- most of us wouldn't be able to last ONE DAY in the environment he had to spend YEARS in -- with the kind of treatment you cringe to just HEAR about.
i was not referring to him in any other way - and, no offense, but how in the world do you know what really happened in their marriage? maybe after all those years so many things have changed - either from what happened to him or possibly not - how do you know it was b/c 'he wasn't attracted to her anymore'? c'mon - with so many people getting divorced nowadays it is a little ridiculous to say the fact that his marriage didn't work out is all his fault. he doesn't seem like he is running around with every intern he sees AT ALL - he seems quite dedicated and in love with his wife regardless of the fact that she is younger than him - she is not 18 - she is still a grown woman and they have had and adopted children together. there's a big difference between a man who was divorced once, remarried someone and seems totally devoted to that person and a man who runs around cheating on his wife openly with white house interns or whatever the case may be.
i have no problem with divorce--but get the divorce before you start sleeping around.
he said it was because he wasn't attracted and she wasn't the woman he married. he takes full blame, and writes about it in his biography. he readily admits he cheated with the 25 year old cindy while married, and got married to her 5 weeks after his divorce. there's a big difference between a man who cheated while married with a 25-year old and a man who got a BJ in the White House? i don't see much of a difference, other than your definition of sex. and one worked on his marriage to save it, and the other did not.
Ronald Reagan was divorced before dating and marrying Nancy. i have no problem with divorce--it's the cheating on your spouse that i have a problem with.
and this of course is not unique to McCain, and i feel the same way about any politician who cheats, but still, it makes me see him in a different light.
don't even get me started on guiliani--i want to throw up when i see his face.
Message edited 9/5/2008 10:45:23 AM.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:44 AM |
| |
|
|
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by DaniRella
even the ones you would think are credible - like, i mean, newsday - they are a paper, not a trash mag, i've grown up with them my whole life - you would think that they would write factual stuff - especially when it comes to local news. i was wrong.
I agree with you regarding being wary of what you see in print....even with Newsday...
My father is very active / high up in the Fire Service on Long Island and in New York State...Newsday ran a series of articles blasting many aspects of the fire service...and much of it was TOTALLY WRONG. My father called and emailed the reporter who was doing the series and offered to speak with her to review some of the claims she made, and she refused...
They print what will sell the papers...not necessarily what is true...
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:46 AM |
| |
|
ready2ttc
LIF Toddler
Member since 8/08 383 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by DaniRella
even the ones you would think are credible - like, i mean, newsday - they are a paper, not a trash mag, i've grown up with them my whole life - you would think that they would write factual stuff - especially when it comes to local news. i was wrong.
well, his autobiography Faith of my fathers should be a true account (though I am sure there are omissions), and he speaks a great deal about his divorce, cheating, and taking the blame.
you can blame the media, but when he admits it himself, you've only him to blame.
it's an interesting read nonetheless, and he speaks a great deal about his POW experiences.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:48 AM |
| |
|
Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
Member since 5/06 23378 total posts
Name:
remember, when Gulliver traveled....
|
Re: McCain's speech
I will say though, that it is a huge leap to assume that ANYONE has a great marriage or is married for the right reasons.
I have no idea about the inner workings of the McCain marriage. it would not shock me in the least to find out that any of what the INTERVIEWESS in the Daily Mail was true. I have no problem believing it.
I think it's ****** on a personal level, but he's not applying for husband of the year, he's apply for a JOB.
You have to have an opportunistic quality to make it to this level in politics. some people do it through marrying the "right" people, and keeping them happy. Sometimes the qualities that make for a ****** spouse make for a great politician...charisma, charm, power...chicks dig that lol, and some men like chicks to dig them and just like to have lots of sex with hot women.
the difference with the Clintons is that they each need each other. Neither has much more money or wealth (or I should say HAD when they started out in politics)
In the end, it's all still Cindy McCain's money and her family's power that helped him get to where he is...the LEAST he could do is be a good husband.
a husband can treat his wife with outward respect whilst chasing every skirt that swishes in his direction.
and a man that has a "sexual addiction" can love his wife, respect her intelligence...and WANT to be married to her, even if they cannot satisfy each others libido.
I am more leery of shady people than I am of people who just are who they are....whatever that makes them.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:52 AM |
| |
|
ruby
you rang?
Member since 6/08 5573 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by ready2ttc
don't even get me started on guiliani--i want to throw up when i see his face.
totally off topic but I just had to agree. I see him on TV spouting off about 9/11 cause it's ALL HE HAS to hold on to and try and remain relevant, and people get sucked in, time and time again, Rudy's a hero, Rudy's amazing, blah blah blah. Capitalizing on human tragedy is real heroic and he does it EVERY TIME he speaks. Ugh, makes me sick. Sure he cleaned up Times Square, but he's a crook and he surrounds himself with other crooks. Sorry, he just gets me riled up. And I voted for him too.  Never again!
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:56 AM |
| |
|
ruby
you rang?
Member since 6/08 5573 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Ophelia
I am more leery of shady people than I am of people who just are who they are....whatever that makes them.
perfectly said. All of it, but this part especially.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 10:57 AM |
| |
|
MegZee
My bunny
Member since 5/06 8777 total posts
Name:
Meaghan
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Ophelia
the difference with the Clintons is that they each need each other. Neither has much more money or wealth (or I should say HAD when they started out in politics)
Hillary went to Wellesley College (mucho $$) and Yale Law school. She was partner in a law firm 4 years after law school. She definitely had $$. Her father had his own small business.
She definitley didn't come from Cindy McCain's $$$, but she wants poor either.
and Cindy has a prenup - smart girl!
Message edited 9/5/2008 11:03:47 AM.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:03 AM |
| |
|
Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
Member since 5/06 23378 total posts
Name:
remember, when Gulliver traveled....
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
the difference with the Clintons is that they each need each other. Neither has much more money or wealth (or I should say HAD when they started out in politics)
Hillary went to Wellesley College (mucho $$) and Yale Law school. She was partner in a law firm 4 years after law school. She definitely had $$. Her father had his own small business.
She definitley didn't come from Cindy McCain's $$$, but she wants poor either.
I didn't insinuate that she was poor, I said they were both on a fairly equal footing...Bill was an Oxford Rhodes Scholar and he MET Hillary AT Yale.
Posted by Meaghan729
and Cindy has a prenup - smart girl!
maybe that's why he's such a doting husband  
Message edited 9/5/2008 11:07:16 AM.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:06 AM |
| |
|
MegZee
My bunny
Member since 5/06 8777 total posts
Name:
Meaghan
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by Ophelia
the difference with the Clintons is that they each need each other. Neither has much more money or wealth (or I should say HAD when they started out in politics)
Hillary went to Wellesley College (mucho $$) and Yale Law school. She was partner in a law firm 4 years after law school. She definitely had $$. Her father had his own small business.
She definitley didn't come from Cindy McCain's $$$, but she wants poor either.
I didn't insinuate that she was poor, I said they were both on a fairly equal footing...Bill was an Oxford Rhodes Scholar and he MET Hillary AT Yale.
Posted by Meaghan729
and Cindy has a prenup - smart girl!
maybe that's why he's such a doting husband
ha, then he's a smart guy!
I thought you were implying that Bill & Hill were not $$$ before the white house. But you are correct - they were equal in an economic sense!
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:07 AM |
| |
|
MrsFlatbread
Skinny jeans are in my future
Member since 6/06 10258 total posts
Name:
Baby Momma
|
Re: McCain's speech
He sounded like a blubbering idiot!
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:12 AM |
| |
|
mrsej
The cutest!
Member since 1/07 2495 total posts
Name:
Mommy
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by ruby
Posted by ready2ttc
don't even get me started on guiliani--i want to throw up when i see his face.
totally off topic but I just had to agree. I see him on TV spouting off about 9/11 cause it's ALL HE HAS to hold on to and try and remain relevant, and people get sucked in, time and time again, Rudy's a hero, Rudy's amazing, blah blah blah. Capitalizing on human tragedy is real heroic and he does it EVERY TIME he speaks. Ugh, makes me sick. Sure he cleaned up Times Square, but he's a crook and he surrounds himself with other crooks. Sorry, he just gets me riled up. And I voted for him too. Never again!
sorry, but I fully disagree...rudy was the best thing to ever happen to NYC - you probably weren't around in the Dinkins years when the city was in the worst depression in years, businesses and people were leaving in droves and noone could walk the streets. i agree that he should lay off the 9/11 stuff b/c it is getting a little old, but if it wasn't for him, NYC would have crumbled.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:25 AM |
| |
|
eroxgirl
My Loves
Member since 5/05 15697 total posts
Name:
Rebecca
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by mrsej
Posted by ruby
Posted by ready2ttc
don't even get me started on guiliani--i want to throw up when i see his face.
totally off topic but I just had to agree. I see him on TV spouting off about 9/11 cause it's ALL HE HAS to hold on to and try and remain relevant, and people get sucked in, time and time again, Rudy's a hero, Rudy's amazing, blah blah blah. Capitalizing on human tragedy is real heroic and he does it EVERY TIME he speaks. Ugh, makes me sick. Sure he cleaned up Times Square, but he's a crook and he surrounds himself with other crooks. Sorry, he just gets me riled up. And I voted for him too. Never again!
sorry, but I fully disagree...rudy was the best thing to ever happen to NYC - you probably weren't around in the Dinkins years when the city was in the worst depression in years, businesses and people were leaving in droves and noone could walk the streets. i agree that he should lay off the 9/11 stuff b/c it is getting a little old, but if it wasn't for him, NYC would have crumbled.
I'm sorry and I know this is off topic from the point of this thread in general but I have to chime in here - I've been around since Koch was the mayor of NY... Dinkins years weren't great but they weren't THAT bad either. I had no problem walking the streets then and NYC was FAR from crumbling.
Now the 70s - THATS when you didn't want to walk the streets of NY.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:28 AM |
| |
|
Sassyz75
Turning a new page
Member since 5/05 9731 total posts
Name:
Dina
|
Re: McCain's speech
I really do admire him, thought the speech was really great, and the end was inspiring.
I've always admired John McCain, but prefered him 8 years ago when he was running against GWB for the republican nomination...
I really do not agree with his economic policies.. i fear if elected, the income disparity in this country will only continue to expand.
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:28 AM |
| |
|
ruby
you rang?
Member since 6/08 5573 total posts
Name:
|
Re: McCain's speech
Posted by mrsej
Posted by ruby
Posted by ready2ttc
don't even get me started on guiliani--i want to throw up when i see his face.
totally off topic but I just had to agree. I see him on TV spouting off about 9/11 cause it's ALL HE HAS to hold on to and try and remain relevant, and people get sucked in, time and time again, Rudy's a hero, Rudy's amazing, blah blah blah. Capitalizing on human tragedy is real heroic and he does it EVERY TIME he speaks. Ugh, makes me sick. Sure he cleaned up Times Square, but he's a crook and he surrounds himself with other crooks. Sorry, he just gets me riled up. And I voted for him too. Never again!
sorry, but I fully disagree...rudy was the best thing to ever happen to NYC - you probably weren't around in the Dinkins years when the city was in the worst depression in years, businesses and people were leaving in droves and noone could walk the streets. i agree that he should lay off the 9/11 stuff b/c it is getting a little old, but if it wasn't for him, NYC would have crumbled.
I didn't live in the city during the Dinkins years, (and yes he was a disaster), but I know about them very well...btw you could walk the streets, maybe it wasn't the Disneyland with no personality that it is now but that's not my point. I did agree that rudy cleaned up Times Square, among other things. But that's not my beef with him, it's as I said, he's a slimeball and a crook and he continually "uses" 9/11 to his advantage and unfortunately people only see this 9/11 image of him walking down the street amongst the rubble view him as a "hero". That's my issue.
But this is totally not the thread topic and I probably shouldn't have said anything as we're totally hijacking. (sorry OP)
|
| Posted 9/5/08 11:38 AM |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 |
