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Jenhos
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Migrant Caravan
Would love to hear thoughts on how we should deal with it. The numbers are staggering.
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Posted 10/23/18 11:13 PM  |
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RainyDay
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Migrant Caravan
Let them come. I'm not concerned.
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| Posted 10/24/18 9:50 AM |
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stinger
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Re: Migrant Caravan
One way to deal is to admit and accept that the US had a role in WHY they even have to leave their own countries.
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| Posted 10/24/18 11:08 AM |
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JME78
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Migrant Caravan
This is a non-issue.
These are people who are fleeing violence and persecution. Its a humanitarian issue not a security issue. Last time a caravan of this size was formed only a few hundred people reached the border.
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| Posted 10/24/18 6:26 PM |
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LIRascal
drama. daily.
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Migrant Caravan
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
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| Posted 10/24/18 11:02 PM |
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mrsrainbow
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Migrant Caravan
If anyone is willing to walk 1500 miles to avoid devastating social and economic conditions, by all means they deserve refugee status.
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| Posted 10/26/18 6:26 PM |
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mrsrainbow
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by stinger
One way to deal is to admit and accept that the US had a role in WHY they even have to leave their own countries.
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| Posted 10/26/18 6:27 PM |
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stinger
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by JME78
This is a non-issue.
These are people who are fleeing violence and persecution. Its a humanitarian issue not a security issue. Last time a caravan of this size was formed only a few hundred people reached the border.
There was a quote from a woman who would rather die on the US border than stay where her husband was murdered (honduras).
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| Posted 10/26/18 6:56 PM |
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Pumpkin1
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
In that connection, people love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
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| Posted 10/28/18 7:37 PM |
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Jenhos
Maeve
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
In that connection, people love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
It is difficult for a reason and I applaud people like my Grandparents who did it. Where do we cut it off? Having an open border would be a nightmare over time.
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| Posted 10/29/18 3:57 PM |
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Diane
Hope is Contagious....catch it
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Message edited 10/29/2018 6:02:26 PM.
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| Posted 10/29/18 5:52 PM |
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stinger
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Over 5000 troops!?
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| Posted 10/29/18 7:52 PM |
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shadows
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
In that connection, people love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
It is difficult for a reason and I applaud people like my Grandparents who did it. Where do we cut it off? Having an open border would be a nightmare over time.
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| Posted 10/29/18 8:39 PM |
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SusiBee
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by shadows
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
In that connection, people love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
It is difficult for a reason and I applaud people like my Grandparents who did it. Where do we cut it off? Having an open border would be a nightmare over time.
Open borders would be a nightmare for this country.
We can barely support those of our citizens and those living here legally who need help, I can't imagine having to support the masses of immigrants that would come here.
There has to be a better way, but this is a worldwide issue, as it happens in other developed countries.
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| Posted 10/30/18 12:25 PM |
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Pumpkin1
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
People love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
It is difficult for a reason and I applaud people like my Grandparents who did it. Where do we cut it off? Having an open border would be a nightmare over time.
Why do you assume people want open borders? I don't and I doubt many people do. Perhaps if you didn't make it an "all or nothing" argument, you'd see that but our president thinks that way and his followers echo that sentiment.
I highly doubt anyone wants open borders. Instead, there should be a system where people don't feel the need to enter illegally where screened immigrants have an opportunity (just like your grandparents had). Unfortunately, the legal immigration process is close to to impossible. Case and point, I host au pairs and it is common knowledge amongst them that the only way they can stay is to get married because even student visa where the applicant has satisfied every requirements can be denied at the consulate's discretion. I have learned about the process and it is very difficult.
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
In that connection, people love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
It is difficult for a reason and I applaud people like my Grandparents who did it. Where do we cut it off? Having an open border would be a nightmare over time.
We don't have an "open border" and these people are coming here legally. We, under US law and International law, allow people who are in danger in their home countries to come here and claim asylum. Once they reach the border, they are processed and then need to prove their case for asylum.
It's great that your grandparents were legally able to enter the country. I'm sure it was not easy, but it was also a lot easier then than it is now (I'm assuming it was in the past and not a few years ago). There are VERY limited categories that you need to fit into and it is very expensive now.
Here is a chart showing the pathways available.
Would your grandparents be able to qualify?
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| Posted 11/2/18 8:37 AM |
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Jenhos
Maeve
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by LIRascal
Last April, only 3 adults were given refugee status. It''s so hard to "prove" the way our country wants them to. While I believe that there should be a legal pathway for these immigrants to come to the US, my heart breaks, knowing the horrid, dangerous, and violent conditions in their central american countries. my students used to tell me stories you wouldn't believe. Although I am not in favor of open borders, those who come are usually hard-working and want the best for their families.
In that connection, people love to say that immigrants should come here legally, but most people don't understand that it is very difficult (almost impossible) to do that. I knew someone who would like to study here, but she was rejected for a student visa even though she satisfied all of the requirements by having enough money and being accepted into a university.
It is difficult for a reason and I applaud people like my Grandparents who did it. Where do we cut it off? Having an open border would be a nightmare over time.
We don't have an "open border" and these people are coming here legally. We, under US law and International law, allow people who are in danger in their home countries to come here and claim asylum. Once they reach the border, they are processed and then need to prove their case for asylum.
It's great that your grandparents were legally able to enter the country. I'm sure it was not easy, but it was also a lot easier then than it is now (I'm assuming it was in the past and not a few years ago). There are VERY limited categories that you need to fit into and it is very expensive now.
Here is a chart showing the pathways available.
Would your grandparents be able to qualify?
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Based on this yes they would have. They came separate because my grandfather had a job. My grandmother took longer but was able to get here eventually.
We don’t have an open boarder but when thousands like this show up what do we do? The media screams if we house them in camps at the boarder. Our system is so jacked that if we place them in other places in the US they disappear off the radar. We can’t even take good care of our own homeless and poverty stricken. Personally, I would rather see us use the money that goes into vetting these people, housing these people go to our homeless. Our veterans. When we clean up our own house (which no president has been successful at) we can help these people. Some of this caravan were offered asylum in Mexico and they didn’t want that.
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Migrant Caravan
The chart doesn't say that you just need to have a job. You need to have a job, where an employer is willing to sponsor you, can certify that you're not displacing an American worker, is willing to pay for the application and legal fees, and is willing to wait for your visa to be approved.
If you grandfather came over before the 1920s, we basically had open borders, except for a requirement that people pass health screenings and can read and write in their native language. In the 1920s, then we started putting quotas on the number of people from each country, but we still didn't have the types of requirements that we have today.
This isn't the first "caravan" that has come, and in the past, it ends up being in the hundreds by the time it reaches the border. Some stay in Mexico and some just don't make it. We've managed to process them in the past. Some are sent back if they're not able to prove their claim for asylum. Many of them become contributing members of society (even the ones that fall off the radar).
Bringing up the homeless and veterans is a false dichotomy. We aren't taking money from the homeless to support immigrants. We don't spend money on the homeless or veterans because people don't actually care about poor people, many of whom are mentally ill. Have you ever noticed that politicians don't talk about the poor or homeless? Maybe they'll bring up the Veterans but very little action is actually taken to improve the care we give them. They mostly talk about the middle class, because that's who people, even poor people, care about. People who use social welfare programs are villainized and painted as unworthy of help. People on welfare are painted as lazy drug addicts. Drug addicts and the mentally unstable are painted as criminals. That's why the government doesn't help them, not because our money is all tied up helping people from war torn, gang infested countries that we typically helped to make that way.
Funding is pulled from programs that help poor people, so we can give tax cuts to corporations under the guise that the corporations will use that money to help the middle class, but really it's so congress (many of whom are millionaires before running for office) and their friends get a nice tax break.
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| Posted 11/2/18 11:28 AM |
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JME78
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Migrant Caravan
So now that the election is over it seems that FOX and others have stopped talking about this.
Hmm. Wonder why.
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| Posted 11/8/18 9:58 AM |
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oneday
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Re: Migrant Caravan
Posted by JME78
So now that the election is over it seems that FOX and others have stopped talking about this.
Hmm. Wonder why.
Exactly. Now that the voting is done, Oh yeah, we really don't have to freak out so much about them. But when they wanted the votes - had to whip the base up into a frenzy! And sadly - it worked.
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| Posted 11/8/18 10:12 AM |
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