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MissJones
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by Snickers
Eh, I don't know how I feel about it.
Mayor Giuliani couldn't have his limit extended immediately following 9/11.
The whole backroom deal seems shady to me.
I do like a lot of things about Bloomberg and his "mayoring."
I like that he brings art into the public eye. I like that he really cares about the health of all NYers (trans fat ban, smoking ban etc.)
As a teacher, I abhor what he and Klein have done to the school system--and I know that I haven't even felt its effect as badly as others!
I also feel a little badly for the homeowners who keep having their property taxes and water prices jacked up.
I'm torn.
I agree with everything you said, from the good to the bad. He is terrible to teachers, cops and firefighters, but he does love NY.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
why do you think he is terrible to teacher and other city workers?
we have gotten larger raises under him than any other mayor
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MrsERod
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Snickers
Eh, I don't know how I feel about it.
Mayor Giuliani couldn't have his limit extended immediately following 9/11.
The whole backroom deal seems shady to me.
I do like a lot of things about Bloomberg and his "mayoring."
I like that he brings art into the public eye. I like that he really cares about the health of all NYers (trans fat ban, smoking ban etc.)
As a teacher, I abhor what he and Klein have done to the school system--and I know that I haven't even felt its effect as badly as others!
I also feel a little badly for the homeowners who keep having their property taxes and water prices jacked up.
I'm torn.
I agree with everything you said, from the good to the bad. He is terrible to teachers, cops and firefighters, but he does love NY.
not sure about teachers....but cops just got something like a 4% pay increase...with FDNY following suit soon (hopefully  )
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| Posted 10/23/08 6:36 PM |
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
why do you think he is terrible to teacher and other city workers?
we have gotten larger raises under him than any other mayor
this is what I told my sister when she said she hated him. my response was "anyone who put that kind of $ in my pocket is OK with me!"
(she got a huge raise)
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| Posted 10/23/08 6:36 PM |
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snowflake08
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Snickers
Eh, I don't know how I feel about it.
Mayor Giuliani couldn't have his limit extended immediately following 9/11.
The whole backroom deal seems shady to me.
I do like a lot of things about Bloomberg and his "mayoring."
I like that he brings art into the public eye. I like that he really cares about the health of all NYers (trans fat ban, smoking ban etc.)
As a teacher, I abhor what he and Klein have done to the school system--and I know that I haven't even felt its effect as badly as others!
I also feel a little badly for the homeowners who keep having their property taxes and water prices jacked up.
I'm torn.
I agree with everything you said, from the good to the bad. He is terrible to teachers, cops and firefighters, but he does love NY.
not sure about teachers....but cops just got something like a 4% pay increase...with FDNY following suit soon (hopefully )
NBC said it was 17% hmmmmm
interesting
one article
i know with the teachers they get it the same way; over 4 years so maybe 3% then 5%, etc.
i mean, no one gets 17% all at once
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MrsERod
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
NBC said it was 17% hmmmmm
interesting
REALLY???  where did i hear 4% then???
now i have to research! damn you flake! 
 
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| Posted 10/23/08 6:38 PM |
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MissJones
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
why do you think he is terrible to teacher and other city workers?
we have gotten larger raises under him than any other mayor
For the teachers, they aren't raises when there are give backs
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| Posted 10/23/08 6:39 PM |
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snowflake08
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by MissJones
Posted by snowflake08
why do you think he is terrible to teacher and other city workers?
we have gotten larger raises under him than any other mayor
For the teachers, they aren't raises when there are give backs
i think the "give backs" are minimal
As a school admin. we had some give backs too; but i was happy with the contract
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snowflake08
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
i think that was the first of 4; over 4 years; something like that
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
why do you think he is terrible to teacher and other city workers?
we have gotten larger raises under him than any other mayor
I know this question was directed to the poster underneath me, but although the raises are really great and make me happy, I am unhappy and surprised with some of the changes he and Klein have implemented.
I work in a "good" high school and I know that a lot of their focus has been on improving schools and the lower grades, so i haven't really seen changes until this year.
Since September, we have lost five teaching days to testing. We will lose 4 more before the semester is over. That's almost 2 weeks! I teach English, so in preparation for the PSAT which was mandated for all 10th and 11th grade students, we had to provide a three week "crunch" unit on PSAT strategies, which was interrupted by the 4 holidays. It was a mess. What made it even more difficult, was knowing that the reason for this "crunch" was because part of a high school's "grade" is improvement in PSAT scores!
I feel like schools have become obsessed with their "grade" and I have been witness to a lot of questionable actions in order to ensure that A or B or whatever. I feel like the kids are forgotten.
Anyway, the raises are nice, though I doubt we will see any of those in our near future with the economy and all.
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MrsERod
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
i think that was the first of 4; over 4 years; something like that
yep! it's broken down
found this:
NYPD Officers Get New Contract
POSTED on August 27, 2008
NEW YORK - The NY Police Department has reason to celebrate.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Patrick J. Lynch, President of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association (PBA), announced that a tentative contract settlement has been reached with the PBA on a collective bargaining agreement covering the period from August 1, 2006 through July 31, 2010. The agreement, which is subject to ratification, covers over 23,000 police officers. This settlement marks the first time an agreement has been reached across the bargaining table with the PBA since 1994.
"We have the 23,000 police officers of the NYPD, as much as anyone, to thank for the low crime and heightened quality of life we enjoy in this City," said Mayor Bloomberg. "The most important aspect of the contract is that it will raise the starting salary for rookie cops from $36,000, to over 40,000, and that will be retroactive to 2006. I have always believed that the best contract agreements are those that are reached at the bargaining table, and this is a good example of that."
"Officers in the New York City Police Department shoulder responsibilities that exceed those of other officers across the country," said Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly. "They have helped drive crime down to record lows. They more than deserve the increased compensation reflected in this new agreement."
"This negotiated contract, the first for the PBA in almost 15 years, continues to move us toward a market rate of pay that our police officers have earned and so rightly deserve," said PBA President Lynch said. "It brings a police officer's top salary at contract's end to $76,488 and our total monetary compensation package to over $94,000. The agreement also includes, for the first time, an historic escalator clause that links longevity pay and health and welfare benefits contributions to the percentage change of wage increases, ensuring that those substantial benefits automatically rise in the same proportion as salary. That link will serve to magnify each future increase in an officer's earnings while insuring the long-term stability of our health and welfare funds for both active and retired officers. Additionally, major changes to work rules, including ones that allow police officers to mutually exchange tours and to better utilize existing sick leave will vastly improve the quality of life for our members. We are pleased that a dramatic change in the negotiating atmosphere has allowed for a real exchange of ideas and has resulted in a contract that deserves police officer's support."
The principal features of the settlement are:
· 4%, compounded, effective August 1, 2006
· 4%, compounded, effective August 1, 2007
· 4%, compounded, effective August 1, 2008
· 4%, compounded, effective August 1, 2009
At the end of this contract, a police officer's basic maximum salary will be $76,488, compared to the current amount of $65,382. With longevity pay, holiday pay, night shift differential and other additions, total compensation will be approximately $91,823, plus overtime. The total increase in compensation is 20.05 percent, including a compounded wage increase of 16.99 percent.
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Candy Girl
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by MissJones
Posted by snowflake08
why do you think he is terrible to teacher and other city workers?
we have gotten larger raises under him than any other mayor
For the teachers, they aren't raises when there are give backs
i think the "give backs" are minimal
As a school admin. we had some give backs too; but i was happy with the contract
I think the C6 was a pretty big giveback, and I am not a union baby complainer.
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snowflake08
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
In regards to the testing; i know what you mean
My school is PK-8 so we are testing 6 grades - However, I only supervise PK - 3
In regards to C6; it depends on the admin. of the building - we do NOT have teachers doing any duties other than teaching which again, is up to the discretion of the admin.
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| Posted 10/23/08 6:50 PM |
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
I agree with those who felt that it should have been put before the voters. I feel that Bloomberg waited till he knew there would be no time to announce that he wanted the third term. The writing's been on the wall with the economy for a while- why not announce in July that he wanted another term? It was a total backroom deal- the council members are getting things they want too. The people have been shafted.
As a teacher, I have lots of issues with the way things are done at Tweed. Yes, we've gotten raises, but we are also working more, and under him, we will continue to work a longer day. I predict a lot of givebacks in the next contract, especially since Randi Weingarten always gives in to him- for example, she threated to sue over the parking and then let it go.
With the amount of time kids are in school (in my school, some are there from 8 to 5:30) they should be rocket scientists. They're not.
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ruby
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Yippee!!!
I'm a Bloomberg fan and I'm glad he's sticking around. He'd beat anyone running against him anyway. Go Mikey!
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| Posted 10/23/08 7:06 PM |
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jewels
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
from a teacher's perspective another term of Bloomberg means continued overtesting and time taken away from teaching. i am so tired of the mayor announcing how test scores have gone up when in reality the tests have been watered down and graded easier. another term also means too much emphasis put on these stupid city school report cards which i think are calculated in a really dumb way that no one understands. and i think too much control has been given to principals that don't know what they are doing. the control has not gone to the teachers as the mayor claims. it has gone to administration who doesn't always care what the teachers think.
as for teacher raises - they were pretty much just keeping up with inflation. take into consideration the givebacks and they weren't raises at all.
my 2 cents 
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snowflake08
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Testing has taken over schools across the country; it is not just New York State and City
Everyone is working more and to be honest, there should be more accountability than there was in the past- that is why the schools were failing - no one was really checking on what was happening
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DaniJude
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
ehh - he's doing a good job. he has done well w/ keeping up on all the great things rudy did for us - i guess it is OK w/ me that he keeps on going... like the energizer bunny lol.
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| Posted 10/23/08 8:13 PM |
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Candy Girl
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by snowflake08
Testing has taken over schools across the country; it is not just New York State and City
Everyone is working more and to be honest, there should be more accountability than there was in the past- that is why the schools were failing - no one was really checking on what was happening
I don't think that testing is a tool to measure teacher performance/accountability. There are too many variables. Music, Art, Phys. Ed., Foreign Language and teachers of electives on the HS level (we have journalism, sociology, psychology, etc offered as elective classes) will not be subjected to the testing/accountability/performance game. Then there is the "I teach honors vs. I teach remedial" debate. Too many kinks to work out.
This should probably be on the teacher board.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
If his "economic expertise and experience" was so great, why hasn't he done stuff to stem the tide before? Why wait until a recession to put on his super cape and fix things?
It's interesting how the vote for extending term limits was put before a group of people where 2/3 of the those voting will lose their job if it didn't pass.....  Yeah, that doesn't sound like a conflict of interest....
I'm not against 3 terms, I'm just totally against how he is trying to get it passed.... If the public said "NO" two separate times, it's pretty shady to go around the voters and sneak it in behind their back essentially....
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| Posted 10/24/08 8:16 AM |
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Whoo hoo!!! He has my vote!
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| Posted 10/24/08 8:27 AM |
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DandN
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Will he run as an independent - or will he go back to a major party - he started out as a democrat, switched to Republican to run for mayor - and now is an independent.
Just curious - I know he can run as an independent - I just wonder what he'll do.
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| Posted 10/24/08 8:39 AM |
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snowflake08
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by Snickers
Posted by snowflake08
Testing has taken over schools across the country; it is not just New York State and City
Everyone is working more and to be honest, there should be more accountability than there was in the past- that is why the schools were failing - no one was really checking on what was happening
I don't think that testing is a tool to measure teacher performance/accountability. There are too many variables. Music, Art, Phys. Ed., Foreign Language and teachers of electives on the HS level (we have journalism, sociology, psychology, etc offered as elective classes) will not be subjected to the testing/accountability/performance game. Then there is the "I teach honors vs. I teach remedial" debate. Too many kinks to work out.
This should probably be on the teacher board.
Actually, In NYC, for the Quality Review, which we are having next week - Foreign Language and the"arts" are now considered Core Subjects and will be subjected to the same guideines
Im not saying that tesing is the only way to "measure" - by any means
Im just saying that the schools were failing and only 33% of NYC high school students were graduating about 3 or 4 years ago and that number has now doubled
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Re: Mike Bloomberg can run again for a thrid term.
Posted by Beth1210
he has my vote
Mine too - for the next 50 years if he wants it !!
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Posted by JRD2008
Posted by Beth1210
he has my vote
Mine too
me too!
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