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Nurse video
Has anybody seen/heard this type of things happening in the hospitals? Very disturbing!
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Re: Nurse video
The nurses I know IRL keep saying they aren't treating people correctly (if at all). I didn't ask them until I saw a post online with a nurse venting about it. I wonder if at some point any of the nurses I see talking about it online will lose their jobs for speaking about it publicly.
It's a fact that they aren't doing physical breathing treatments on people with Covid. Just because it isn't reported on News12 doesn't make it any less of a fact. I heard it straight from the horses mouth. They will intubate them when it comes to that and that's the extent of it. They aren't doing the normal treatments that would prevent someone from deteriorating so much that they need to be put on a ventilator. None of the normal pneumonia breathing treatments (like posturing drainage and back clapping or suctioning) that would help prevent someone from drowning in their own mucus. I understand there is a risk to being in the room with these patients, but it's just inhumane to not treat these people properly. Sitting back and watching them get worse, just waiting to put them on a ventilator, to avoid risk, isn't the proper treatment. I'm sure a lot of these people didn't have to die. 
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| Posted 5/4/20 8:52 AM |
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Not surprised.
Lets think about this for a second- Boris Johnson got Covid. He managed to recover, and he is in the high risk group based on his age.
Leslie Stahl, the host of 60 Minutes, is 78 years old and she just shared her recovery story. She self-managed her pneumonia for 2 weeks at home and then went into the hospital for a week. Somehow I doubt she was placed on a ventilator (and if she was, I am sure there was priobably a nurse by her bed almost 24 hrs a day monitoring her symptoms every hour for changes).
CNN had a story of an 80+ year old Indian man who managed to recover as his son took him home and used a C-PAP machine and oxygen machine, and daily/hourly monitoring to monitor him.
All the above 3 people could easily have died if not for their names/famous station in life.
Like doctors- there are good doctors and bad doctors. Same thing w/ nurses, there are good nurses and bad nurses. I wouldnt be surprised if in a few weeks we hear stories of all the preventable deaths that occurred at Elmhurst Hospital in Queens caused by nurses who basically stuck patients right on ventilators and left them alone hoping for the best, and they will claim they could only check the patients 3x a day instead of hourly because of PPE shortage. Oh, and lets not forget the people who got turned AWAY from ER/Hospitals or were denied a test because they didnt display the "right" Covid symptoms only to die later at home.
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| Posted 5/4/20 11:50 AM |
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LuckyStar
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Re: Nurse video
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Not surprised.
Lets think about this for a second- Boris Johnson got Covid. He managed to recover, and he is in the high risk group based on his age.
Leslie Stahl, the host of 60 Minutes, is 78 years old and she just shared her recovery story. She self-managed her pneumonia for 2 weeks at home and then went into the hospital for a week. Somehow I doubt she was placed on a ventilator (and if she was, I am sure there was priobably a nurse by her bed almost 24 hrs a day monitoring her symptoms every hour for changes).
CNN had a story of an 80+ year old Indian man who managed to recover as his son took him home and used a C-PAP machine and oxygen machine, and daily/hourly monitoring to monitor him.
All the above 3 people could easily have died if not for their names/famous station in life.
Like doctors- there are good doctors and bad doctors. Same thing w/ nurses, there are good nurses and bad nurses. I wouldnt be surprised if in a few weeks we hear stories of all the preventable deaths that occurred at Elmhurst Hospital in Queens caused by nurses who basically stuck patients right on ventilators and left them alone hoping for the best, and they will claim they could only check the patients 3x a day instead of hourly because of PPE shortage. Oh, and lets not forget the people who got turned AWAY from ER/Hospitals or were denied a test because they didnt display the "right" Covid symptoms only to die later at home.
My FIL who is in his 70's fully recovered at a crappy Bronx hospital.
I think it is abhorrent to insinuate the nurses at Elmhurst are bad nurses. They have nothing. The have no PPE, no support. The patients didn't stop coming. Patients who have nothing, no means, many with no family (or family they supported who were left behind), language barriers, etc. Patients who may have never even seen a doctor before. People many on LI have probably never seen.
Those nurses became nurses to help the people no one else will.
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| Posted 5/4/20 12:30 PM |
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Posted by LuckyStar
My FIL who is in his 70's fully recovered at a crappy Bronx hospital.
I think it is abhorrent to insinuate the nurses at Elmhurst are bad nurses. They have nothing. The have no PPE, no support. The patients didn't stop coming. Patients who have nothing, no means, many with no family (or family they supported who were left behind), language barriers, etc. Patients who may have never even seen a doctor before. People many on LI have probably never seen.
Those nurses became nurses to help the people no one else will.
Oh dont get me wrong, I am not implying the nurses at that hospital are bad. The SITUATION that resulted in these bad outcomes is bad, the nurses did the best and continue to do the best they can - but we can't dismiss the possibility that there may be or have been nurses who were not trained or aware of things that are just coming out NOW about how to treat patients (ie proning positions, breathing exercises, etc). That may be because not enough respiratory therapists were available or because doctors or other nurses were not sharing that info, whatever it may have been we don't know, but the fact remains that there WERE deaths that were preventable and we know it is because of the high volume of patients that were overwhelming the ER's all over NYC in March.
I think they are all heroes and we need to support them, but we will be engaging in a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking for years to come as to how the outcome of patients varied so much depending on when they presented to the ER, what specific region they were in, what hospital, what treatment was actually given/received, etc...It will all contribute to increasing our knowledge level of how to best treat Covid19 because based on what experts are saying, we may not see a vaccine for at least 18-24 months.
Great news on your FIL's recovery!! I wish the media spent as much time covering the recoveries as the doom/gloom deaths. At my company, we have a 55+ yr old coworker who lives in Hempstead recover from the virus and she had a lot of preexisting health issues (obesity, diabetes).
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NervousNell
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Re: Nurse video
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Great news on your FIL's recovery!! I wish the media spent as much time covering the recoveries as the doom/gloom deaths. At my company, we have a 55+ yr old coworker who lives in Hempstead recover from the virus and she had a lot of preexisting health issues (obesity, diabetes).
My FIL is 87 years old, caught it in his nursing home, has a ton of health issues,(besides the fact that he is 87 alone!) and hardly needed any medical intervention.
They were giving him the lowest level of oxygen for a day, then he needed not even that.
When DH talked to him, he complained about "this damn cold" lol
He had to go to the hospital in the midst of this for another reason and as soon as that issue resolved they sent him back to the nursing home saying- we need the bed for sicker patients.
I really couldn't believe it.
Amazing how it's so random like that
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| Posted 5/4/20 12:58 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Like most illness, I'd put money on recovery being influenced heavily by genetics.
My FIL says he's feeling better than he has in years!
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| Posted 5/4/20 1:03 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Nurse video
Posted by LuckyStar
Like most illness, I'd put money on recovery being influenced heavily by genetics.
My FIL says he's feeling better than he has in years!
100%
My FIL has outlived his entire family. It's insane.
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| Posted 5/4/20 1:07 PM |
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Re: Nurse video
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Posted by LuckyStar
Like most illness, I'd put money on recovery being influenced heavily by genetics.
My FIL says he's feeling better than he has in years!
100%
My FIL has outlived his entire family. It's insane.
That's great!
My step MIL had it too. VERY mild symptoms and completely recovered. She is, however, the healthiest person I know so I'm not sure she's a typical story.
I also have a friend whose mom has MS and completely recovered at home.
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chilltocam
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I'm sorry, but this ONE nurse is the only one in the entire hospital where she works who is trying to save lives??? No one else is doing anything?!?!? What gives her credibility over someone saying they are all busting their asses trying to save every patient - knowing that some will definitely die as a result of this virus. This is ONE person's opinion, not fact, not verified, just someone posting their opinion online.
Of course there are good and bad in every profession. But as someone who works for a hospital (not a medical professional) I can tell you that the amount of caring and compassion I see is extraordinary, and beyond anything I would have expected before I came to work for a hospital. The amount of energy and effort that can go into helping ONE patient, to try to achieve the best outcome for ONE patient is astounding. So, maybe I'm biased, but I take this video with, at the very least, a bit of skepticism.
And just because some famous "older"people recovered, does not in any way support this video. Do famous/wealthy people have access to better health care in general - absolutely. Does that mean that health care professionals that work in hospitals that are located in more depressed areas care less about their patients - absolutely not. Do they have access to less supplies and equipment - maybe. But that is not on the backs of the doctors and nurses in those facilities.
And what seems to be ironic to me is that those who want to open everything back up, and believe that this video is accurate, are not willing to see that medical staff is BURNT OUT and still dealing with limited PPE and other supplies. If you were a hospital patient 2 or 3 months ago, any of us would have (rightly) FLIPPED OUT if a nurse or Dr. wore the same gown, gloves, mask when going from patient to patient. If you become a hospital patient now, you have no choice but to accept that - until hospitals can catch up, re-stock supplies, be ready to deal with "the second wave" or even just "regular" medical care, that is the new normal - for you, your family and loved ones who need medical treatment in a hospital. Is that acceptable to you? For yourself, your spouse, your child? I don't think any of us is truly willing to accept that as a decent standard of medical care. But until this is more under control (I am NOT saying gone, just more under control), that is the standard of care you can expect - not because doctors and nurses don't care, but because this is the only way to deal with this right now.
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ChilisWife
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Re: Nurse video
Unbelievable how random it is that some people suffer so much and for others its basically nothing. I know a lot of people that tested positive - mostly all of them all just rested at home until they recovered, and yet two of them unfortunately passed away. It's so crazy.
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Re: Nurse video
Posted by chilltocam
I'm sorry, but this ONE nurse is the only one in the entire hospital where she works who is trying to save lives??? No one else is doing anything?!?!? What gives her credibility over someone saying they are all busting their asses trying to save every patient - knowing that some will definitely die as a result of this virus. This is ONE person's opinion, not fact, not verified, just someone posting their opinion online.
Of course there are good and bad in every profession. But as someone who works for a hospital (not a medical professional) I can tell you that the amount of caring and compassion I see is extraordinary, and beyond anything I would have expected before I came to work for a hospital. The amount of energy and effort that can go into helping ONE patient, to try to achieve the best outcome for ONE patient is astounding. So, maybe I'm biased, but I take this video with, at the very least, a bit of skepticism.
And just because some famous "older"people recovered, does not in any way support this video. Do famous/wealthy people have access to better health care in general - absolutely. Does that mean that health care professionals that work in hospitals that are located in more depressed areas care less about their patients - absolutely not. Do they have access to less supplies and equipment - maybe. But that is not on the backs of the doctors and nurses in those facilities.
And what seems to be ironic to me is that those who want to open everything back up, and believe that this video is accurate, are not willing to see that medical staff is BURNT OUT and still dealing with limited PPE and other supplies. If you were a hospital patient 2 or 3 months ago, any of us would have (rightly) FLIPPED OUT if a nurse or Dr. wore the same gown, gloves, mask when going from patient to patient. If you become a hospital patient now, you have no choice but to accept that - until hospitals can catch up, re-stock supplies, be ready to deal with "the second wave" or even just "regular" medical care, that is the new normal - for you, your family and loved ones who need medical treatment in a hospital. Is that acceptable to you? For yourself, your spouse, your child? I don't think any of us is truly willing to accept that as a decent standard of medical care. But until this is more under control (I am NOT saying gone, just more under control), that is the standard of care you can expect - not because doctors and nurses don't care, but because this is the only way to deal with this right now.
She has no credibility. I don't believe it's real.
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Naturalmama
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Nurse video
Didn't someone who works in a hospital post on here recently that patients were not always getting the proper treatment? Not because it is anyone's fault, certainly not the doctors and nurses, but because of protection from the virus?
I could be wrong, but I remember something about if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is a whole protocol before you can even begin CPR. Typically the longer the patient goes without oxygen, the worse the outcome. Or I could have seen that somewhere else, there is so much stuff all over the place these days.
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Re: Nurse video
Posted by Naturalmama
Didn't someone who works in a hospital post on here recently that patients were not always getting the proper treatment? Not because it is anyone's fault, certainly not the doctors and nurses, but because of protection from the virus?
I could be wrong, but I remember something about if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is a whole protocol before you can even begin CPR. Typically the longer the patient goes without oxygen, the worse the outcome. Or I could have seen that somewhere else, there is so much stuff all over the place these days.
Yes that was on here.
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Re: Nurse video
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Posted by Naturalmama
Didn't someone who works in a hospital post on here recently that patients were not always getting the proper treatment? Not because it is anyone's fault, certainly not the doctors and nurses, but because of protection from the virus?
I could be wrong, but I remember something about if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is a whole protocol before you can even begin CPR. Typically the longer the patient goes without oxygen, the worse the outcome. Or I could have seen that somewhere else, there is so much stuff all over the place these days.
Yes that was on here.
I don't doubt that patients have lacked immediate care given the overwhelming scale of the situation. However, to my knowledge, no hospital has established protocols that deny care to patients. Or that try to cover up gaps in care. That doesn't even make sense- hospitals were/are pleading for resources. They're not going to cover up problems that arose due to lack of resources because then they wouldn't get the resources.
I know a lot of nurses and have spent a lot of time in hospitals and this seems 100% fake.
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I want to reassure you guys that not all nyc hospitals are anything like this woman describes. There is something off about her vent that I don’t want to comment on further, she is clearly having a hard time.
I found this post on Facebook from a NYC RN about what she is going through, if you are interested.
https://www.facebook.com/546813060/posts/10157207325423061?sfns=mo
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Posted by ChilisWife
Unbelievable how random it is that some people suffer so much and for others its basically nothing. I know a lot of people that tested positive - mostly all of them all just rested at home until they recovered, and yet two of them unfortunately passed away. It's so crazy.
But that happens with the flu also (and no I'm not saying this is the flu). Many people I know get it and recover. Several people I have known, including children, have been in ICU for it and had double pneumonia. It just all depends on your body I guess!
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Re: Nurse video
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Posted by Naturalmama
Didn't someone who works in a hospital post on here recently that patients were not always getting the proper treatment? Not because it is anyone's fault, certainly not the doctors and nurses, but because of protection from the virus?
I could be wrong, but I remember something about if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is a whole protocol before you can even begin CPR. Typically the longer the patient goes without oxygen, the worse the outcome. Or I could have seen that somewhere else, there is so much stuff all over the place these days.
Yes that was on here.
Yes, and she then deactivated her account. I guess if her employer had found out she was basically "whistleblowing", she probably would've been fired. I'm guessing that's why she deactivated, anyway.
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Nurse video
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Didn't someone who works in a hospital post on here recently that patients were not always getting the proper treatment? Not because it is anyone's fault, certainly not the doctors and nurses, but because of protection from the virus?
I could be wrong, but I remember something about if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is a whole protocol before you can even begin CPR. Typically the longer the patient goes without oxygen, the worse the outcome. Or I could have seen that somewhere else, there is so much stuff all over the place these days.
Yes that was on here.
Yes, and she then deactivated her account. I guess if her employer had found out she was basically "whistleblowing", she probably would've been fired. I'm guessing that's why she deactivated, anyway.
This! I’d find it skeptical if this was the first time I’m hearing this but not that the case. This is def not the first time I’m hearing things like this happening, plus the emotion pouring out is undeniable.
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