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Re: School budgets - it's that time
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Kudos to you for being dedicated but I wish you and all the other teachers that go on and on about your extra time you so willingly give "for the children" would remember that lots of other people work overtime on their salaries and "don't get paid" for that extra time too. Your extra efforts are run of the mill and 100% expected for many industries and professions.
I don't think that's fair to characterize any extra work as "run of the mill". Everything we do with kids is planned out in advance- sometimes an hour of planning and preparing goes into a half hour of extra help.
I can't speak for Jaime but I think your comments are really offensive. We get nothing extra for a lot of what we do- no pay, no comp time, no bonuses, no 401k match. I know lots of people who still get these things, and lots of other perks (at least before the economy tanked.) Why is it, now that things are difficult, that we're expected to give up so much and continue to justify the work we do? It's getting pretty old.
I'm sorry if you're offended but it's getting pretty old to always hear teachers complain about how they put in so much extra without compensation like it's something no one else ever does. I wasn't refering to the quality of the work as run of the mill, but the fact that it's common place for salaried employees to give overtime beyond their scheduled hours. Everyone has good and bad about their jobs and teachers chose that profession so don't throw it in our face that you're so give so much extra for no pay.
I don't throw anything in anyone's face, and I didn't see any of the other teachers who responded doing it either. But I don't often see people in other professions asked to justify their salaries and benefits the way teachers do. If anything, we're tired of having those things thrown in our faces by the media, by politicians, by lots of people.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
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jes81276
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by KLSbear
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KLSbear
Kudos to you for being dedicated but I wish you and all the other teachers that go on and on about your extra time you so willingly give "for the children" would remember that lots of other people work overtime on their salaries and "don't get paid" for that extra time too. Your extra efforts are run of the mill and 100% expected for many industries and professions.
I don't think that's fair to characterize any extra work as "run of the mill". Everything we do with kids is planned out in advance- sometimes an hour of planning and preparing goes into a half hour of extra help.
I can't speak for Jaime but I think your comments are really offensive. We get nothing extra for a lot of what we do- no pay, no comp time, no bonuses, no 401k match. I know lots of people who still get these things, and lots of other perks (at least before the economy tanked.) Why is it, now that things are difficult, that we're expected to give up so much and continue to justify the work we do? It's getting pretty old.
I'm sorry if you're offended but it's getting pretty old to always hear teachers complain about how they put in so much extra without compensation like it's something no one else ever does. I wasn't refering to the quality of the work as run of the mill, but the fact that it's common place for salaried employees to give overtime beyond their scheduled hours. Everyone has good and bad about their jobs and teachers chose that profession so don't throw it in our face that you're so give so much extra for no pay.
Walk a day in our shoes......
ever work with a class of 20-30 kids???
You don't know the meaning of "giving so much extra" until you do...
no other profession out there has to justify why they make what they make...still don't understand why we have to.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jes81276
Walk a day in our shoes......
ever work with a class of 20 kids???
You don't know the meaning of "giving so much extra" until you do...
Twenty?  Can I work in your school? I have 30 this year (sixth grade) but the last time I taught sixth I had 38.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by KLSbear
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KLSbear
I'm sorry if you're offended but it's getting pretty old to always hear teachers complain about how they put in so much extra without compensation like it's something no one else ever does. .
i think the reason why teachers talk about it so much is b/c everyone else does!....they wouldn't talk about it if everyone would just shut up about teacher's salaries!!...
people talk about how much teachers make all of the time especially newsday and teacher's need to open everyone's eyes as to why they make what they do and all the extras they do...
.... you'll never hear newsday (or other people) talk about teacher's staying after without pay, planning on non-paid weekends, etc....somebody has to speak up--so the teacher's do....if you don't want to hear the teacher's talking about it then everyone else should stop too!!! if people are going to talk -then so will teachers!
just wanted to add that,,yes of course other professions do extra work w/o compensation....but do you ever see those professions salaries printed in newsday, being bashed by newsday or the topic of conversation anywhere? if people constantly bashed your profession (newsday) and thought that you shouldn't make what you do or that you shouldn't talk about the extra things you do at work for no pay....how would you feel?
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
I don't think anyone is asking teachers to justify what they get paid. I think the point is that the well is dry - any tax increase is too much for most people these days. Houses are being foreclosed, salaries for much of the public are being not just frozen but cut by 10 or 20 percent and taxes on LI are already very very high with the greatest percent going to the schools. Salaries get the focus because they are a very high percent of the budget and the schools really can't do anything about the cost of utilities or fuel for buses or some other fixed costs. I'll be the first in line to vote for consolidated school districts and fewer superintendants and administrators because thats where much of the problems begin.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
we don't expect kudos, that's just it. We're just sick of having to explain why we deserve the appropriate salary for our profession and hard work.
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said.
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| Posted 4/6/09 9:59 PM |
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
All I want is Full-Day Kindergarten - screw the brand new trucks for the security guards or the 4 new turf fields
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by KLSbear
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KLSbear
Kudos to you for being dedicated but I wish you and all the other teachers that go on and on about your extra time you so willingly give "for the children" would remember that lots of other people work overtime on their salaries and "don't get paid" for that extra time too. Your extra efforts are run of the mill and 100% expected for many industries and professions.
I don't think that's fair to characterize any extra work as "run of the mill". Everything we do with kids is planned out in advance- sometimes an hour of planning and preparing goes into a half hour of extra help.
I can't speak for Jaime but I think your comments are really offensive. We get nothing extra for a lot of what we do- no pay, no comp time, no bonuses, no 401k match. I know lots of people who still get these things, and lots of other perks (at least before the economy tanked.) Why is it, now that things are difficult, that we're expected to give up so much and continue to justify the work we do? It's getting pretty old.
I'm sorry if you're offended but it's getting pretty old to always hear teachers complain about how they put in so much extra without compensation like it's something no one else ever does. I wasn't refering to the quality of the work as run of the mill, but the fact that it's common place for salaried employees to give overtime beyond their scheduled hours. Everyone has good and bad about their jobs and teachers chose that profession so don't throw it in our face that you're so give so much extra for no pay.
I do find your comments offensive! Very offensive infact!
I am not complaining I am stating! I am explaining. I don't complain about anything I do for my students. I love my students. I have had nearly 2000 and next to my own kids I would do almost anything for any of them- they are my other babies.
I only stated it because as Lori stated come Christmas time or quarterly time when others are talking about their bonus we don't get that-- that's fine! Come retirement if I didn't do my own investing all I will have is a pension (one that I had to pay into) I don't get a 401k match. Again I don't mind-- because what I have and will always have is thousands of students that I shared with, learned with, challenged and who challenged me, I helped them grow and maybe shaped into the adults they become.
I am grateful for that experience!!
However I am sick of being bashed! I am sick of it always being on our backs. I pay taxes too! My costs have risen too. We have, in my district, given back everything already. Honestly short of working for free there is no more I can do.
But I don't judge other profession the way you are judging teachers and people like yourself are the ones that cause teachers to become bitter and angry.
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kaadf5
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
The point I tried to make in my post was that I don't think of the teachers salaries when the subject of school budget comes up.
Teachers get very defensive over his. I think of all the needless spending that goes on in the districts that could be cut to not raise the budget/our taxes.
I am grateful for the extra help that is made available to my daughter throughout the school year, but my district offers specific 2 day a week am and pm help before those stupid state exams and the teachers that do those do get extra compensation.
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jes81276
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by kaadf5
Teachers get very defensive over his. I think of all the needless spending that goes on in the districts that could be cut to not raise the budget/our taxes.
I am grateful for the extra help that is made available to my daughter throughout the school year, but my district offers specific 2 day a week am and pm help before those stupid state exams and the teachers that do those do get extra compensation.
Of course we get defensive, because 99% of the time, our salaries are brought up when budget time rolls around.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by KLSbear
I don't think anyone is asking teachers to justify what they get paid. I think the point is that the well is dry - any tax increase is too much for most people these days. Houses are being foreclosed, salaries for much of the public are being not just frozen but cut by 10 or 20 percent and taxes on LI are already very very high with the greatest percent going to the schools. Salaries get the focus because they are a very high percent of the budget and the schools really can't do anything about the cost of utilities or fuel for buses or some other fixed costs. I'll be the first in line to vote for consolidated school districts and fewer superintendents and administrators because that's where much of the problems begin.
Teachers take offense if you want to, but every department of almost any business or organization is under scrutiny right now. I didn't get a salary increase, my DH was informed that is "bonus" which is figured into his salary is NOT happening at all. We have a $5,000 deductible on our health insurance because as people in small business we could NEVER qualify for the health insurance rates school districts get, nor do we have dental insurance or vision insurance. My DH works six days a week, TWELVE months a year.
I could cry an effing river to you all day about how hard my job is, I fix children's teeth-is that less important than teaching them to read?
The point is school taxes are breaking the backs of LIers. Its crystal clear to all of us that most districts have been allowed to ride the gravy train, double & triple dip & screw us all.
If all of the teachers banded together & stood up to the adminstrators in your unions & voted FOR consolidation of districts or services, your salaries & benefits would be safe.
I don't think anyone can deny how valuable your service is to all of us, but something HAS to change!
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jes81276
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
I could cry an effing river to you all day about how hard my job is, I fix children's teeth-is that less important than teaching them to read?
seriously?????
who is crying about how hard being a teacher is ???? None of us are saying that. We are saying that we are entitled to our salaries just as eveyone else....
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jes81276
I could cry an effing river to you all day about how hard my job is, I fix children's teeth-is that less important than teaching them to read?
seriously?????
who is crying about how hard being a teacher is ???? None of us are saying that. We are saying that we are entitled to our salaries just as eveyone else....
yes, very seriously. Anytime there is a school district budget thread teachers feel inclined to explain how hard they work.
We ALL work hard, that is why its called WORK! I'm still looking for the person that has said teachers are not entitled to their salaries. Nobody ever says that, yet teachers feel offended.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
I agree - I don't think it's teacher's salaries that any of us have a problem with.
Quite honestly, I have a HUGE problem with the amount of administrators, superintendents, deputy supers, etc. that there are. Do we really need all these people? No! Cut some of that fat and maybe I wouldn't vote down my school budget every year.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
SD's on LI need to consolidate! end of story
there is no need for 1000 superintendents and all the administrations that go along with that! every town does NOT need it's own SD. And until this happens, this area of the country will continue to have some of the highest taxes in the US
I don't know if I agree with this. I chose our district because I wanted a smaller school district. I like running into and recognizing the superindentant in the market. I like being connected and involved with the folks who make decisions that impact my children's education. I am not confident that I would have that same 'connection' if we had 'mega' districts. I have seen the initial proposal for our district's school budget and I will be voting yes. I'm willing to pay a little more to live in a smaller district such as this.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by VickiC
I agree - I don't think it's teacher's salaries that any of us have a problem with.
Quite honestly, I have a HUGE problem with the amount of administrators, superintendents, deputy supers, etc. that there are. Do we really need all these people? No! Cut some of that fat and maybe I wouldn't vote down my school budget every year.
While I don't disagree (is it REALLY necessary for an interim superintendant to make in the high 300's PLUS his taxpayer-sponsered pension?)consolidating school districts may not be a magic wand for erasing extra expenditures. I work for the NYC DOE - one of the largest school districts in the country. I can personally vouch for the fact that bigger is not always better for kids. While we may save some $$ in administrative salaries, we would still have to cover the costs of burecracy. Transportation becomes another added expense.
And many people on LI buy homes for a specific district. What happens if your district is consolidated with another district you're not fond of? Remember when Roosevelt elementary school buildings were in dire need of repairs? Their buildings should've been condemned by the board of health, but couldn't be - because a neighboring district refused to allow Roosevelt students into their schools.
I don't have a solution. I wish I did. My taxes go up every year. I can't be a SAHM because we can't afford it if we want to live here. But my ILs bought a house in AZ, a state with some of the lowest taxes in the country - and some of the worst schools.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
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Posted by jes81276
I could cry an effing river to you all day about how hard my job is, I fix children's teeth-is that less important than teaching them to read?
seriously?????
who is crying about how hard being a teacher is ???? None of us are saying that. We are saying that we are entitled to our salaries just as eveyone else....
yes, very seriously. Anytime there is a school district budget thread teachers feel inclined to explain how hard they work.
We ALL work hard, that is why its called WORK! I'm still looking for the person that has said teachers are not entitled to their salaries. Nobody ever says that, yet teachers feel offended.
Really? I guess you don't read Newsday.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
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yes, very seriously. Anytime there is a school district budget thread teachers feel inclined to explain how hard they work.
We ALL work hard, that is why its called WORK! I'm still looking for the person that has said teachers are not entitled to their salaries. Nobody ever says that, yet teachers feel offended.
Really? I guess you don't read Newsday.
what does Newsday have to do with this thread or my comments? And no I don't read that slanted rag paper.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by Renee615
yes, very seriously. Anytime there is a school district budget thread teachers feel inclined to explain how hard they work.
We ALL work hard, that is why its called WORK! I'm still looking for the person that has said teachers are not entitled to their salaries. Nobody ever says that, yet teachers feel offended.
Really? I guess you don't read Newsday.
what does Newsday have to do with this thread or my comments? And no I don't read that slanted rag paper.
Newsday is notoriously anti-teacher.
The letters to the editor are filled with people saying that teachers are not entitled to their salaries.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by faithann
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by Renee615
yes, very seriously. Anytime there is a school district budget thread teachers feel inclined to explain how hard they work.
We ALL work hard, that is why its called WORK! I'm still looking for the person that has said teachers are not entitled to their salaries. Nobody ever says that, yet teachers feel offended.
Really? I guess you don't read Newsday.
what does Newsday have to do with this thread or my comments? And no I don't read that slanted rag paper.
Newsday is notoriously anti-teacher.
The letters to the editor are filled with people saying that teachers are not entitled to their salaries.
Newsday is also pro-illegal aliens, interesting but irrelevant to the point I was making about people on LIF or this thread saying teachers earn too much.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KLSbear
Kudos to you for being dedicated but I wish you and all the other teachers that go on and on about your extra time you so willingly give "for the children" would remember that lots of other people work overtime on their salaries and "don't get paid" for that extra time too. Your extra efforts are run of the mill and 100% expected for many industries and professions.
I don't think that's fair to characterize any extra work as "run of the mill". Everything we do with kids is planned out in advance- sometimes an hour of planning and preparing goes into a half hour of extra help.
I can't speak for Jaime but I think your comments are really offensive. We get nothing extra for a lot of what we do- no pay, no comp time, no bonuses, no 401k match. I know lots of people who still get these things, and lots of other perks (at least before the economy tanked.) Why is it, now that things are difficult, that we're expected to give up so much and continue to justify the work we do? It's getting pretty old.
You may not get over time pay for extra help, etc. but you also get a pension which is pretty good, while alot of people dont get that. That is an extra cushion for you when you retire that ALOT of other people will never see. They will have to live off their 401k's and other investments alone. I am not against the teachers or their salaries...I think they work hard and most deserve the salary they make.
I was jsut reading my local paper, the Merrick Herald, and they are saying are taxes will only increase approx. 4% this year, which is the lowest increase in the past few years  That is insane to me.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
FACT: Salaries make up 70-85% of a school's budget, much like any profession's budget except that a sd's budget breakdown is public knowledge. And it is one which taxpayers vote on, unlike most jobs.
Taxpayers seem to be either misinformed or ignorant to the workings of a school budget.
Please educate yourself - voting down a district does not automatically freeze a teacher's salary; it can, however, prohibit the ability to hire more teachers, thus increasing class size and ultimately affecting your kid and his or her education.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by faithann
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by Renee615
people on LIF or this thread saying teachers earn too much.
without going back and reading the entire thread ( so i could be a little off!) i think i remember someone saying something like --when i get a raise then i will consider paying someone elses raise and something about having the older teachers retire b/c they make too much $....i am not sure if there were other posts...this is just what i remember off the top of my head!!
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by strongisland
without going back and reading the entire thread ( so i could be a little off!) i think i remember someone saying something like --when i get a raise then i will consider paying someone elses raise and something about having the older teachers retire b/c they make too much $....i am not sure if there were other posts...this is just what i remember off the top of my head!!
I don't see that on this thread, maybe someone edited their original comment.
What I see on this thread & the topic at hand is LIFers that are not teachers or married to teachers stressed out by the constant increase in school taxes. Time after time people mention the Superintendents taking paycuts NOT teachers.
And honestly I don't see how teachers can feel that they are not subject to the same $hit pie everyone in the private sector is taking a bite from.
I have two older kids, I know how hard teachers work.
And FTR I was a member of the PTA & SEPTA for many years, attended EVERY board meeting for a number of years & even prevented my son's 5th grade teacher from getting fired by a ballsy interim superintendant.
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