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jenheartsrob
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Hi - It depends on the district's negotiated contract as well as how many years you have been teaching. I can only speak for myself, but in our district, once you are teaching 15 years, there is no raise between 15-20 years. I believe the same is true for 10-15, but I can't say for sure.
As for raises that you get for credits, the raise is often only a fraction of the the cost of the credits. The raises for taking 15 credits are typically no more than $1,500, while a 3 credit course costs around $800 (at a minimum, through a teacher center). Before I taught I was under the assumption that there were these awesome bumps once you took credits, but it's not really the case. Also, think about other fields for a moment. In most other fields, your credits would be paid for by the employer, or, if they weren't, the raise would certainly be more substantial.
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jenheartsrob
Hi - It depends on the district's negotiated contract as well as how many years you have been teaching. I can only speak for myself, but in our district, once you are teaching 15 years, there is no raise between 15-20 years. I believe the same is true for 10-15, but I can't say for sure.
As for raises that you get for credits, the raise is often only a fraction of the the cost of the credits. The raises for taking 15 credits are typically no more than $1,500, while a 3 credit course costs around $800. Before I taught I was under the assumption that there were these awesome bumps once you took credits, but it's not really the case. Also, think about other fields for a moment. In most other fields, your credits would be paid for by the employer, or, if they weren't, the raise would certainly be more substantial.
and grad credits can cost anywhere from 1500-2K....
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| Posted 4/9/09 5:48 PM |
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lbride
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jellybean1420
I think the average LI teacher makes $60-65k which is a decent salary. However, you also have to consider that teachers work, what...180 days a year for that money when others work just as hard 345 days a years w/the other two weeks vacation. A HUGE difference.
Teachers didn't make the school year 180 days- we have no control over that. I'm sure most of us would remain teachers if the school year was changed to full year. Teaching is a profession and deserves a professional's salary regardless.
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| Posted 4/9/09 8:57 PM |
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jes81276
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Teaching is a profession and deserves a professional's salary regardless.
Exactly, and the average of $60-65K is what I would consider a very modest salary for people who are required to have 7+ years of school, esp. on LI
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| Posted 4/9/09 9:02 PM |
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jenheartsrob
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Oh, and another interesting tidbit for the non-teachers out there...Recent entrants into the profession (2004 or later) need to maintain their license with 175 hours of professional development every 5 years. That's an additional out of pocket expense that is mandated by the state and does not count towards any salary advancement at all - we have to pay just to keep our jobs.
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| Posted 4/9/09 9:05 PM |
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jes81276
Teaching is a profession and deserves a professional's salary regardless.
Exactly, and the average of $60-65K is what I would consider a very modest salary for people who are required to have 7+ years of school, esp. on LI
I am not putting down teachers or their salaries. I support their salary. I think the most non-teachers on here are trying to make is that teachers have alot of advantages that others dont. There are a lot of people who have 7+ years of school and are working year round for the same amount, some less espeically in this economy. IMO, teachers have it good just as alot of other government/state employees.
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| Posted 4/9/09 9:29 PM |
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smdl
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jenheartsrob
Oh, and another interesting tidbit for the non-teachers out there...Recent entrants into the profession (2004 or later) need to maintain their license with 375 hours of professional development every 5 years. That's an additional out of pocket expense that is mandated by the state and does not count towards any salary advancement at all - we have to pay just to keep our jobs.
Not to put you down here but plenty of jobs require CE to maintain their licence and it's usually out of pocket. It's not just a teacher thing. And in this economy, companies are not paying anymore for it. They never did in my field anyway. I am required to get a number of CE in a certain time period to maintain my insurance. I pay for my professional insurance also out of pocket. I suggest you talk to an accountant in regards to tax credit for educational classes required for your job. They may be tax deductible.
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:12 PM |
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JML83
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
It's not even worth discussing this. As a teacher I am so used to hearing people complain about how much we make and how "little time" we work.
My response is always...
"Well then you should have become a teacher." 
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:14 PM |
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smdl
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by JML83
It's not even worth discussing this. As a teacher I am so used to hearing people complain about how much we make and how "little time" we work.
My response is always...
"Well then you should have become a teacher."
I am not going to generalize here but I do hear a lot of teachers complaining as if they are the only one who suffer.
Bottom line, everybody does not want to be a teacher for x,y,z reason. But you can't deny the amount of vacation, the salary/hours work ratio, etc.... If there was NO perks I am sure they would be a great loss of teachers. Don't you think?
But when I hear that teachers go to school so they "deserve" a better pay, or they pay for extra classes, I can't help but feel a sense of entitlement. Lots of people go to school for whatever profession they choose. That does not mean that you can't be realistic about the job you are in. Teachers are paid by taxes. Plain and simple! So when people who pay taxes don't make the dough anymore, well it is "expected" that they will complain to pay more when themselves are not getting raises. Whether the money is going to teachers, administrators, etc.. I am sure you can understand that.
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:21 PM |
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jenheartsrob
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
I know some other professions require some maintenance, but it's not the norm. I was merely trying to shed a little light on the situation for some who were unaware of the constant out of pocket expense teachers incur.
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:21 PM |
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JandJ1224
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
I don't understand why people always make comments about what teachers get. Any of these people had the option to choose teaching as a profession. Everyone lives with the consequences of your choices and if you want a pension/raises even in a bad economy you should have been a teacher.
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:22 PM |
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jenheartsrob
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by JML83
It's not even worth discussing this. As a teacher I am so used to hearing people complain about how much we make and how "little time" we work.
My response is always...
"Well then you should have become a teacher."
That's my favorite, too :)
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:22 PM |
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JML83
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Any other teachers out there enjoying their "paid vacation"?
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:37 PM |
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KLSbear
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jenheartsrob
I know some other professions require some maintenance, but it's not the norm. I was merely trying to shed a little light on the situation for some who were unaware of the constant out of pocket expense teachers incur.
I really have to disagree with your statement that it's not the norm. It's normal in many professions to have requirements that cost out of pocket money to maintain employment. My husband has to take regular CE classes, renew his license every 2 years, and is expected to pursue additional accreditations to stay in his employers good graces and it's not tied into any guaranteed pay raise. Computer professionals have to continually keep up with the latest advances in programming skills if they have any hope of keeping current in the market place. What about doctors and nurses and dentists keeping up with medical advances? Not to mention tradesmen - your appliance repairman need to keep up with his industry so he can repair the newest appliances, as do car mechanics. Sorry, but your situation is not all that unique - it's called WORK and we all have good and bad to put up with in our professions.
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| Posted 4/9/09 10:59 PM |
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jenheartsrob
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Yes, it is work and I absolutely love my job and wouldn't trade it for the world. Believe me, I'm not complaining! :)
The only reason I mentioned that at all was because I didn't think that it's common knowledge (or at least it wasn't amongst my circle of friends/family) that new teachers go into their own pockets so often for credits. I work full time over the "vacation"s we have just to be able to afford to maintain my credentials, etc..
Regardless, I think at this point this thread has deviated from the school budget topic and should get back to that :)
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| Posted 4/9/09 11:06 PM |
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chanmar
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Why do teachers get money to write an R&D? (waste!)
Why are there so many clubs? Teachers are getting there bread and butter from the waste like this, and i also think there are way too many overpaid administrators..Just my 2 cents...
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jenheartsrob
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Clubs?? Again, I'll only speak for myself at the elementary level, but I do Art Club on the elementary level and the club meets EVERY week for the year for 1 hour after school, and it's a $600 stipend before taxes. Oh, and that stipend is supposed to be used for the supplies we use b/c we can't use the art dept's supplies b/c that comes out of the budget. Hardly my bread and butter.
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strongisland
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by chanmar
Why are there so many clubs? Teachers are getting there bread and butter from the waste like this,
now that is just funny! you're kidding, right?
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| Posted 4/10/09 9:34 AM |
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jes81276
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
what is R&D??
And clubs....umm do you have kids???
why would anyone NOT want clubs in school??????
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| Posted 4/10/09 9:36 AM |
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strongisland
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
also wanted to add...that i have a friend that does art club for no extra pay and another one that does drama club/school play and you know what she gets around $600 as well and you know where that money comes from? the soda machine in the faculty lounge at her school!! when breaking down her pay/hour for the play...it was peanuts....oh and both of these are 2 different districts!
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| Posted 4/10/09 9:42 AM |
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Palebride
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by strongisland
Posted by chanmar
Why are there so many clubs? Teachers are getting there bread and butter from the waste like this,
now that is just funny! you're kidding, right?
that's hysterical!!!
too many clubs? yes, let's not show children that they should invest their time in thier interests....who needs that?
teachers are getting their "bread nd butter" from clubs? what???? I work all year long on the school yearbook and get paid under $2000 for it. For hours and hours of work. I've never broken it down to an hourly rate, but I'm pretty sure it's below minumum wage!
And the unions do negotiate for teacher's salaries....for the contracts, not the budget. The contract is already decided at budget time usually. And teachers are losing more and more each contract....so those of you worrying that teachers are not sacrificing enough - not to worry! We sacrifice plenty!
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| Posted 4/10/09 9:57 AM |
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jellybean1420
ETA: Alot of school districts, like where I grew up in Pat-Med, have a large ESL population and many of these people are not paying school taxes so my parents and others are picking up the tab.
Ohh this is such a sore subject for me, I really wish we didn't give schooling to illegal immigrant children. Now children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants I can understand educating them. But the fact that schools do not check status frustrates me. If i go to Spain/England/anywhere and put a child in that school they ask are you a citizen. I know this as a fact since some of my friends moved to Europe. Now South America I think some countries you pay to have your child sit in class.
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browneyedgirl
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
very few people work 345 days a year. i sure don't know any. if you have weekends (or any days off) you're talking 269 days a year. minus 2 weeks vacation--254.
to those of you who feel you have to "educate" teachers about your jobs---seriously, it's getting old. EVERYONE has different responsibilities with their jobs. my husband has to do classes--but his classes cost $200-300. some of MINE cost $3000 because they're graduate level. my masters cost me $$$$, his is free because his employer reimburses him. he takes 1.5 hour lunches and can go to work early/late whenever he wants. but that's HIS line of work. why should i compare mine with his? it's apples and oranges. i'm happy he has a job, and we still have the same taxes to pay that everyone else does. i won't see that 100K that newsday likes to speak about for 20 years--he'll hit that mark WAY before i do.
to all the teachers on this thread--don't justify yourself. it's not worth it. this thread comes up every year, and certain people will always be anti-teacher.
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| Posted 4/10/09 10:26 AM |
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
180 days is the number of days that kids are in school, not teachers.
I work 194, not including time that I'm not on contract (usually another 5-7 days that I go in to get my classroom done).
Also, where I work teachers are just expected to do after school clubs and extra help. We don't get paid anything additional unless it's a district funded thing.
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| Posted 4/10/09 11:28 AM |
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Re: School budgets - it's that time
Posted by jenheartsrob
I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this has been posted, but I just wanted to share something --
if your district goes to austerity budget, meaning that the district votes down the proposed budget, it is an automatic 4% increase, and sports, etc., will get cut. In our district, for example, the proposed budget increase is 3.4%. If people vote that down, we automatically get a 4% increase, so there's NO reason to vote that down. I was discussing this with my parents the other night and they had no idea about it and said they wish the districts would educate the communities a little more on the ramifications of it being voted down. In a case where the increase is less than 4%, it SHOULD be passed, because the automatic alternative is worse...
Just wanted to share what I recently learned :)
ETA - I'm not sure if it's 4% automatic austerity EVERYWHERE, or just our district, but I'm using this as an example... ask your district what the austerity increase would be before you vote something down :)
If your district went to austerity, where would the extra money go? Would that mean no programs were cut? I'm curious.
I am not a teacher but I think they deserve their salary. I want highly educated people teaching my kids. They have to pay for student loans and afford to live on LI. So many people make a big deal about buying a home in a good district but then complain about the taxes. IMO clubs, sports, art,music, and good teachers make a good school district.
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