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Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
I'm interested in the reasons behind your support for your candidate of choice. I'm not exactly sure who I will vote for at this point. I'm definitely not a fan of Obama but I'm not very happy with McCain either. Maybe someone else's reasons can help me decide.
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
For me, it is all about who will be nominating people to be Supreme Court Justices. The next president will likely have 2-3 vacancies to fill on the SCOTUS. That will move the court decisively in one direction or the other.
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donegal419
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
i am not a huge fan of McCain, but it looks like this moderate is voting Republican for the first time in a Presidential election.
To be honest, Barack scares me. He has flip-flopped contiunously, most recently with his stance on Iraq. My, my my now that we're actually the candidate, how we've changed our tune! I HATE when they do this just to get votes or please people. I know all candidates do this, but does it so often, i feel like he doesn't even know what he belives.
also, he is full of such bad rhetoric: "Change we can believe in" . What change? Tell me how we're going to change it? he honestly to me, and i am sure others feel differently, that he doesn't have anything to back it up. that's all he says during his speeches and "a different four years" "enough of Bush". Back it up! to me, his whole campaign seems focused on these slogans that get young people cheering, but i don't see much thinking behind them.
I also feel like "who IS this guy?" he has been a state senator for 2 years and has been campaigning for 18 months. What experience does he have? although i am not a huge McCain fan, he has many, many years in the Senate and experience serving our country with the military. Barack came out of nowhere and I wonder what he really can contibute. Granted, i may need to do my research, but to me, he comes across as the handsome, young and energectic man with nothing to back it up.
In addition, in this terrible ecomony, it sounds like he will raise taxes substanially. this will be the final blow to the middle class.
And finally, and really why I am not voting for him is he is just way too liberal for this moderate. His stance on life issues disgust me. He has been quoted as saying babies under 6 months of life are not human, and therefore should be allowed to be aborted. The funding that he will give to abortion clinics and organizations such as PLanned Parenthood, I just can't get behind. Also, (and this went for Hillary as well) I do NOT support socialized medicine in the way it will be done here. I have worked with the poorest of the poor here and abroad, and it is NOT the solution. I won't get into it here because it's a whole other argument, but i believe socialized medicine will acually be lead to serious moral, ethical and right to life issues.
PLEASE do not flame. i posted this for OP to answer her question. Most of you on here won't agree, but there is no need to flame. I can't belive i am actuallu posting after i was flamed last time there was a political thread.
ETA: oh and the Supreme Court Justices: this President will potentially put up three. McCain will be much more moderate/conservative with the appointments, so that's another point against obama for me.
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babymakes3
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
I agree with a LOT of what Karen said. I'm leaning heavily toward McCain at this point.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by babymakes3
I agree with a LOT of what Karen said. I'm leaning heavily toward McCain at this point.
I agree with a lot of what she said too. but I do not agree w/McCain's anti choice stance - which is a very big deal to me. he is not getting my vote.
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| Posted 7/12/08 2:00 PM |
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rojerono
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
This will be one of the toughest elections for me.
Obama's BELIEFS seem to resonate with me. He tends to say things that make me think that my philosophies are more closely aligned with his than with McCain.
However - he hasn't done enough to show who he is. Politicians are experts at lying. At saying what you want to hear. And it isn't hard to figure out what this nation wants after 8 years of 'W'. He could be the devil I don't know.
McCain is the devil I know. He has some ideals that are different than mine. But his experience has shown who he is. I don't need to listen to his words - I can look at his extensive record to see which way he wants to move.
The people Obama has associated himself with tend to be somewhat more radical than I am comfortable with. The idea that he wants to 'talk' to North Korea is unsettling to me and the potential repercussions frighten me. And Karen is dead on that some of the potential increases tax wise could be the end of the middle class. The death of the middle class - a country where there are only very rich and extremely poor people is not where I want to see myself or my family.
But 4 years of McCain could wind up being 4 more years of the mess we are already in - deepening and deepening the disaster that is.
So the answer is - I don't know. Too much hinges on this election and on this next president and I really have to think hard and long before I contribute to that choice. I plan on learning as much as I can about the content of each man's life over the next several months.
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| Posted 7/12/08 2:24 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
if I were running for President and needed to propose cuts or increases to manage our gazillion $ debt, here some of my ideas:
DO NOT RAISE taxes! people are already paying this Gov't enough money!!!!!!!!!!!
1. suspend the space program for a few years - how many trillions does that cost? only send missions into space to repair crucial satellites or a rescue mission
2. keep the size of the Gov't to the absolute minimum!!
3. no more "perks" for Congress or any other Gov't official. these people are loaded to begin with. the last thing they need is more luxuries on the taxpayers dime
4. check UN voting records and maybe decrease aid to countries who's ideals don't match ours and have voted against is. maybe just for a little while anyway...
5. get control of the trade gap with China!!!!!
6. add tariffs to countries who are violating trade agreements by boycotting US goods (like what S Korea has been doing with US beef since 2003). so if they want to sell Kia's and Hyundai’s here, it's going to cost them extra!
just a few impromptu ideas. 
and #7: STOP funding the UN!!!!!
 
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
if I were running for President and needed to propose cuts or increases to manage our gazillion $ debt, here some of my ideas:
DO NOT RAISE taxes! people are already paying this Gov't enough money!!!!!!!!!!!
I searched the plans and surprisingly Barack Obama will cut taxes for households making less than ~$250K, even more so than McCain. Plus he's being more flexible on Iraq withdrawal than McCain, cutting down the military's budget by withdrawing faster from Iraq and bringing the troops home (with some going to Afghanistan for the REAL threats).
1. suspend the space program for a few years - how many trillions does that cost? only send missions into space to repair crucial satellites or a rescue mission
Obama's mentioned how he's going to suspend one of NASA's projects and put the money saved towards education.
2. keep the size of the Gov't to the absolute minimum!!
I found this from his site, which meshes pretty well with your ideas:
* Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
* Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.
* Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than year 2001 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.
* Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.
* End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the Medicare program.
Honestly, I'm leaning strongly towards Obama right now, because I just don't think McCain's got the right mindset to guide us along the rocky path that we might come upon in the next few years.
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pinkandblue
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by babymakes3
I agree with a LOT of what Karen said. I'm leaning heavily toward McCain at this point.
I agree with a lot of what she said too. but I do not agree w/McCain's anti choice stance - which is a very big deal to me. he is not getting my vote.
same here, for the same reasons that sweetest mentioned
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ReiRei13
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by babymakes3
I agree with a LOT of what Karen said. I'm leaning heavily toward McCain at this point.
Same here! I am a Democratic who will be voting Republican this election! McCain it is even though I do not agree with his anti-choice stance! i am 100% Pro-Choice but after weighing on this heavily I still believe McCain is the better of the 2 evils
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RoleModel
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by mpetretti
Posted by babymakes3
I agree with a LOT of what Karen said. I'm leaning heavily toward McCain at this point.
Same here! I am a Democratic who will be voting Republican this election! McCain it is even though I do not agree with his anti-choice stance! i am 100% Pro-Choice but after weighing on this heavily I still believe McCain is the better of the 2 evils
May I ask why you plan to vote McCain?
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by RoleModel
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
if I were running for President and needed to propose cuts or increases to manage our gazillion $ debt, here some of my ideas:
DO NOT RAISE taxes! people are already paying this Gov't enough money!!!!!!!!!!!
I searched the plans and surprisingly Barack Obama will cut taxes for households making less than ~$250K, even more so than McCain. Plus he's being more flexible on Iraq withdrawal than McCain, cutting down the military's budget by withdrawing faster from Iraq and bringing the troops home (with some going to Afghanistan for the REAL threats).
1. suspend the space program for a few years - how many trillions does that cost? only send missions into space to repair crucial satellites or a rescue mission
Obama's mentioned how he's going to suspend one of NASA's projects and put the money saved towards education.
2. keep the size of the Gov't to the absolute minimum!!
I found this from his site, which meshes pretty well with your ideas:
* Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
* Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.
* Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than year 2001 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.
* Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.
* End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the Medicare program.
Honestly, I'm leaning strongly towards Obama right now, because I just don't think McCain's got the right mindset to guide us along the rocky path that we might come upon in the next few years.
first of all, I said no tax increases, not just for people making less than $250K. why punish people who worked hard and are successful? In addition, do you really think that a couple who earns $250K on Long Island is "wealthy"?
no offense, but Obama has no track record whatsoever. anyone can say the above, doesn't mean a thing. Especially when you have no experience to draw from.
He is the most inexperienced person to be nominated by the Democratic party.
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So many people say to keep the government small but when you go to apply for Social Security and the Social Security office does not have enough staff to simply answer a question about the status of the check that you paid into the system for, that is because people voted for small government (staffing issues are not about the trust fund as far as I know). Whether you believe in the system or not, no one likes not to be able to get what they've paid in for and it does happen.
McCain voted for a bankruptcy law that the credit card companies lobbied for but they never considered how the law would really play out and it turned out to just be bad law all around.
I tend to vote based on what I see in my work. I honestly try to think beyond that but I always go back to that. My husband and I usually vote opposites anyway!
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
I will be voting McCain because Obama wants to raise my taxes.
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RoleModel
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
first of all, I said no tax increases, not just for people making less than $250K. why punish people who worked hard and are successful? In addition, do you really think that a couple who earns $250K on Long Island is "wealthy"?
Working hard does not correlate all that strongly with financial standing. Otherwise all the poor and middle class people working 2-3 jobs would be richer than they are. It's not punishing them for their success at all if they can still live quite comfortably. Many of these people have still used government infrastructure to accomplish their hard work as well. Plus it's not a tax increase, but just letting the Bush tax cuts expire. I'm pretty sure the upper class wasn't hurting when Bill Clinton was in office and these taxes were at their normal level.
I don't think that $250K will be worth that much anyways if the Republicans stay in office. Having Phil Gramm (who lobbied for a large mortgage company and persuaded Congress in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era law that contributed to the subprime crisis) by his side just shows that he's willing to kowtow to the large corporations and ignore the average American, while allowing these large corporations to commit grievous errors in judgment that will sink the American economy.
no offense, but Obama has no track record whatsoever. anyone can say the above, doesn't mean a thing. Especially when you have no experience to draw from.
He is the most inexperienced person to be nominated by the Democratic party.
He was a community organizer in Chicago (and helped IL go blue back in 1992 when it used to be more of a swing state), president of the Harvard Law Review, a Constitutional Law professor, an IL State Senator and a US Senator. I think that's plenty experience. I'd rather have limited good experience than bad judgment.
I respect Sen. McCain's military career, but he was also never in an executive position. The position of POTUS is such a different animal. Plus I don't trust someone who's willing to campaign against his own bills and who's willing to have Phil Gramm in such an important position.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by RoleModel
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
first of all, I said no tax increases, not just for people making less than $250K. why punish people who worked hard and are successful? In addition, do you really think that a couple who earns $250K on Long Island is "wealthy"?
Working hard does not correlate all that strongly with financial standing. Otherwise all the poor and middle class people working 2-3 jobs would be richer than they are. It's not punishing them for their success at all if they can still live quite comfortably. Many of these people have still used government infrastructure to accomplish their hard work as well. Plus it's not a tax increase, but just letting the Bush tax cuts expire. I'm pretty sure the upper class wasn't hurting when Bill Clinton was in office and these taxes were at their normal level.
I don't think that $250K will be worth that much anyways if the Republicans stay in office. Having Phil Gramm (who lobbied for a large mortgage company and persuaded Congress in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era law that contributed to the subprime crisis) by his side just shows that he's willing to kowtow to the large corporations and ignore the average American, while allowing these large corporations to commit grievous errors in judgment that will sink the American economy.
no offense, but Obama has no track record whatsoever. anyone can say the above, doesn't mean a thing. Especially when you have no experience to draw from.
He is the most inexperienced person to be nominated by the Democratic party.
He was a community organizer in Chicago (and helped IL go blue back in 1992 when it used to be more of a swing state), president of the Harvard Law Review, a Constitutional Law professor, an IL State Senator and a US Senator. I think that's plenty experience. I'd rather have limited good experience than bad judgment.
I respect Sen. McCain's military career, but he was also never in an executive position. The position of POTUS is such a different animal. Plus I don't trust someone who's willing to campaign against his own bills and who's willing to have Phil Gramm in such an important position.
people who earn $250K or more already pay more in taxes, Obama wants to increase it to almost 40%!!!! that's INSANE! what's the incentive to become a success? and not everyone who is successful "used government infrastructure to accomplish their hard work" that's a ridiculous statement! 
I am not saying Obama is not an accomplished individual. he's clearly very intelligent. but I do not feel he is even remotely qualified for President.
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
At this juncture in time truly dont know myself....
The ol' bartender in me still feels uncomfortable speaking about my political beliefs....
Aside from the pros and cons the PPs have commented on I have a big problem with McCains age....I have a problem that when most Americans are looking into retirement he is looking to take on another 4 years...
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| Posted 7/13/08 9:30 PM |
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
I will be voting for Obama for a few reasons:
-ProChoice
-Medical Marijuana
-Stem Cell Research
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
people who earn $250K or more already pay more in taxes, Obama wants to increase it to almost 40%!!!! that's INSANE! what's the incentive to become a success? and not everyone who is successful "used government infrastructure to accomplish their hard work" that's a ridiculous statement!
I am not saying Obama is not an accomplished individual. he's clearly very intelligent. but I do not feel he is even remotely qualified for President.
A decent chunk of the $250K earners exploit legal tax loopholes (especially cap gains and dividends) that lower their taxes to lower levels than even the middle and lower class. The rich pay a decent amount of taxes as a total percentage of taxes collected, but they don’t pay a lot of taxes as a percentage of what they can afford to pay, or as a percentage of what the government needs to close the deficit gap which is widely growing. Everybody needs to chip in, or this economy will probably falter more.
By gov't infrastructure, I mean like the use of interstate roads, water supply, wastewater, stormwater, power supply, flood management, telecommunication and air transport regulations...the list goes on.
I find that saying experience as necessary for the office of POTUS is funny, since the Republican Party was basically formed by and the country was saved by a President with only two years experience in the House of Representatives and some experience in the Illinois State Assembly. You may know him by the name of Lincoln.
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Re: Spinoff of SweetestOfPeas Voting Post: Who Will You Vote For and Why?
Posted by RoleModel
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
people who earn $250K or more already pay more in taxes, Obama wants to increase it to almost 40%!!!! that's INSANE! what's the incentive to become a success? and not everyone who is successful "used government infrastructure to accomplish their hard work" that's a ridiculous statement!
I am not saying Obama is not an accomplished individual. he's clearly very intelligent. but I do not feel he is even remotely qualified for President.
A decent chunk of the $250K earners exploit legal tax loopholes (especially cap gains and dividends) that lower their taxes to lower levels than even the middle and lower class. The rich pay a decent amount of taxes as a total percentage of taxes collected, but they don’t pay a lot of taxes as a percentage of what they can afford to pay, or as a percentage of what the government needs to close the deficit gap which is widely growing. Everybody needs to chip in, or this economy will probably falter more.
By gov't infrastructure, I mean like the use of interstate roads, water supply, wastewater, stormwater, power supply, flood management, telecommunication and air transport regulations...the list goes on.
I find that saying experience as necessary for the office of POTUS is funny, since the Republican Party was basically formed by and the country was saved by a President with only two years experience in the House of Representatives and some experience in the Illinois State Assembly. You may know him by the name of Lincoln.
you said "A decent chunk of the $250K earners exploit legal tax loopholes (especially cap gains and dividends) that lower their taxes to lower levels than even the middle and lower class." I assume you have proof, why else would you make a statement like that?
if you looked up my post from yesterday (this was a spinoff to my post), you'll see that I am not voting for McCain either. neither of the 2 popular candidates are getting my vote.
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