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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by chikita315
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Posted by chikita315
Last time I checked prostitution and money laundering were illegal.
Just saying.
I know nothing of money laundering...but
if he is indicted b/c of the prostitution scandal and the transport of the prostitute across state lines...so be it. He should resign.
my point is, what of all the millions of other people who pay for sex? should they also lose their jobs b/c of it?
He's governor of the state of New York. He broke the law he was elected to uphold and deliver. While AG he was nicknamed Elliot Ness for his no nonsense approach to fighting crime.
Do you think he would be as lenient as you?
IF he is guilty, of either crime, YES I do think he should resign.
as do I. and I said that.
my point was...what about everyone else? what about a teacher, that teaches your child right and wrong every day. or the pastor, that speaks of God.
I have no love for Spitzer. never had. and my comments don't necessarily reflect what I feel. they are food for though questions, if you will.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
yep.
i know he hasn't even been charged yet, but he apologized and that makes me think he's "admitting" to this scandal and i don't want a criminal on the public payroll. my tax dollars could do more!
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Ophelia
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I know nothing of money laundering...but
if he is indicted b/c of the prostitution scandal and the transport of the prostitute across state lines...so be it. He should resign.
my point is, what of all the millions of other people who pay for sex? should they also lose their jobs b/c of it?
let's face it. although illegal, many people don't think prostitution (especially the solicitation of it) is a "crime". gross yes, for those who don't do it. but should they go to jail?
smoking weed is illegal. should you lose your job and go to jail for that?
Well, as a lawyer, wanna bet I would be fired if I solicited a hooker? Not to mention losing my license. I don't see how the NYS bar association can not prosecute him for ethical violations of his law license, if nothing else.
As AG, his job was to enforce the law. And he did. He prosecuted prostitutes and thier madams. Now he is governer, his job is to execute the laws. I think its even worse for someone whose job it is to enforce the law to break it IMO.
that being said, does the general public also hold certain people to a hire standard? should the punishment meted out be harsher to someone in Spitzer's position vs. someone driving a taxi (strictly in terms of hiring a prostitute)
The punishment SHOULD be harsher for public officials due to an accountability issue which comes with holding a public office. What Joe Schmoe does will not be publicized and affect the general public as much as what the president or the governor does.
ETA: And that is an opinion of someone who holds an MPA And I can't spell for life today.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
What Clinton did was bad by cheating but he didn't just cheat he solicited a hooker.......IMO totally different situtation.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Shelly
Honestly, the biggest issue for me is not that he cheated on his wife (I assume all politicians do that). Its that it was a prostitute. This is someone who spent years closing down prostitution rings, and here he goes financially supporting one. That is the biggest issue to me. He broke a law that he fought to enforce.
Exactly. It's just riddled with irony that he spends his career taking down criminals and prostitution rings, when he is engaging in the same exact conduct himself, implying to the world, that he feels, for whatever reason, the same law that applies to the people he took down, does not apply to him.
As for wasting our resources and concerns about politicians who cheat - it's ridiculous. Cheating has absolutely NOTHING to do with your job functions and the two should be separated and have absolutely nothing to do with one another. It's just as bad, in my mind, as not hiring someone, or not electings someone, because they are homosexual. What goes on behind closed doors, as long as it is LEGAL, should have no impact on their political status.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Ophelia
I understand that. I *think* I addressed that. IF he broke the law, he should be prosecuted and should not be entitled to hold the position of Govenor of the state of New York.
I'm going to say though that there are probably lawyers that have sought the companionship of a prostitute that are still practicing. Not sure how the Bar would treat him in this instance rather than some low profile Legal Aid lawyer or whathaveyou, but it'd be interesting to see the differences. his biggest problem is the Federal transport issue. if he got zapped b y NYPD...it may be a completely different story
I am restricted by my office myself in a lot of ways. We do have a higher standard that we have to adhere to as employees.
that being said, does the general public also hold certain people to a hire standard? should the punishment meted out be harsher to someone in Spitzer's position vs. someone driving a taxi (strictly in terms of hiring a prostitute)
People in law jobs (lawyers, police, poilticians) are/should be held to higher standards than other people (taxi drivers).
I do believe that any lawyer caught soliciting a prositute would probably lose their license, even if it was a legal aid attorney, if they were arrested and caught. If they pled the charge down to something else, maybe not.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by chikita315
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by chikita315
Last time I checked prostitution and money laundering were illegal.
Just saying.
I know nothing of money laundering...but
if he is indicted b/c of the prostitution scandal and the transport of the prostitute across state lines...so be it. He should resign.
my point is, what of all the millions of other people who pay for sex? should they also lose their jobs b/c of it?
He's governor of the state of New York. He broke the law he was elected to uphold and deliver. While AG he was nicknamed Elliot Ness for his no nonsense approach to fighting crime.
Do you think he would be as lenient as you?
IF he is guilty, of either crime, YES I do think he should resign.
I agree.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Ophelia
that being said, does the general public also hold certain people to a hire standard? should the punishment meted out be harsher to someone in Spitzer's position vs. someone driving a taxi (strictly in terms of hiring a prostitute)
Of course I hold certain positions/people to a higher standard.
If your job is to enforce and uphold laws, I would expect you not to break them.
I don't think the punishment should be harsher. HOwever, the punishment given by the media circus will be. That's why they are crucifed or as some may feel unfairly prosecuted.
But it's just like celebrities who don't like paparazzi. You wanted that position/level of power. You have to be able to deal with all that comes with it.
So, as the highest level elected official in our state, that means no hoes.
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Ophelia
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by chikita315
Of course I hold certain positions/people to a higher standard.
If your job is to enforce and uphold laws, I would expect you not to break them.
does this mean that only those with a higher moral standard should be able to hold political office? there is no room for the mistakes/fallibility that the human being behind the positions holds?
Posted by chikita315
So, as the highest level elected official in our state, that means no hoes.
you complete me 
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by chikita315
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by chikita315
Last time I checked prostitution and money laundering were illegal.
Just saying.
I know nothing of money laundering...but
if he is indicted b/c of the prostitution scandal and the transport of the prostitute across state lines...so be it. He should resign.
my point is, what of all the millions of other people who pay for sex? should they also lose their jobs b/c of it?
He's governor of the state of New York. He broke the law he was elected to uphold and deliver. While AG he was nicknamed Elliot Ness for his no nonsense approach to fighting crime.
Do you think he would be as lenient as you?
IF he is guilty, of either crime, YES I do think he should resign.
as do I. and I said that.
my point was...what about everyone else? what about a teacher, that teaches your child right and wrong every day. or the pastor, that speaks of God.
I have no love for Spitzer. never had. and my comments don't necessarily reflect what I feel. they are food for though questions, if you will.
Presumably anyone who is CAUGHT breaking the law, whether through money laundering or prostitution, is given some sort of punishment. Granted, I see your point, your average joe schmoe tech manager at a company probably won't lose their job (though, even that is debatable - I doubt a teacher or pastor who is caught with a prostitute wouldn't be forced to resign at some point). But, that's the trade off for taking a high profile position, particularly one in which your role is to execute the very laws you are breaking. Does it make it right? Not necessarily. But it's something these politicians are well aware of when they take the position, and engage in these kind of behaviors.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by chikita315
Of course I hold certain positions/people to a higher standard.
If your job is to enforce and uphold laws, I would expect you not to break them.
does this mean that only those with a higher moral standard should be able to hold political office? there is no room for the mistakes/fallibility that the human being behind the positions holds?
Morals and politics = oxymoron
I just said standards.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
I know this 
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Ophelia
does this mean that only those with a higher moral standard should be able to hold political office? there is no room for the mistakes/fallibility that the human being behind the positions holds?
I don't think there's NO room for mistakes or human fallability... but this was a thought-out, well-calculated series of crimes he potentially committed. I think that's a little more than a your run of the mill mistakes or breaking laws like the speeding limit...
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Ophelia
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Kara
Posted by Ophelia
does this mean that only those with a higher moral standard should be able to hold political office? there is no room for the mistakes/fallibility that the human being behind the positions holds?
I don't think there's NO room for mistakes or human fallability... but this was a thought-out, well-calculated series of crimes he potentially committed. I think that's a little more than a your run of the mill mistakes or breaking laws like the speeding limit...
see, I can only talk in what if's and what do you thinks.
I can't really post my own opinion, as some may know why.
but this is just as fun
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Kara
Posted by Ophelia
does this mean that only those with a higher moral standard should be able to hold political office? there is no room for the mistakes/fallibility that the human being behind the positions holds?
I don't think there's NO room for mistakes or human fallability... but this was a thought-out, well-calculated series of crimes he potentially committed. I think that's a little more than a your run of the mill mistakes or breaking laws like the speeding limit...
Has anyone ever read Plato's new republic? It delves into this exact issue and how he believes society should be separated into three classes - one of which, the moral class, is reserved for politicians. It's a really interesting read... but, I digress...
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by carolinep24
impeached because he cheated on his wife?
No impeached bc he brought a prostitute over state lines.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Ophelia
I know nothing of money laundering...but
if he is indicted b/c of the prostitution scandal and the transport of the prostitute across state lines...so be it. He should resign.
my point is, what of all the millions of other people who pay for sex? should they also lose their jobs b/c of it?
let's face it. although illegal, many people don't think prostitution (especially the solicitation of it) is a "crime". gross yes, for those who don't do it. but should they go to jail?
smoking weed is illegal. should you lose your job and go to jail for that?
Well, as a lawyer, wanna bet I would be fired if I solicited a hooker? Not to mention losing my license. I don't see how the NYS bar association can not prosecute him for ethical violations of his law license, if nothing else. He did admit to *something* by apologizing. The feds have him, they just haven't released it all yet. Otherwise, he wouldn't have apologized without any denial.
As AG, his job was to enforce the law. And he did. He prosecuted prostitutes and thier madams. Now he is governer, his job is to execute the laws. I think its even worse for someone whose job it is to enforce the law to break it IMO.
That's my problem in a nutshell. I really don't care about his personal ethical breach to his wife But, as the Chief Executive of the State, you can't break the law.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Shelly
Honestly, the biggest issue for me is not that he cheated on his wife (I assume all politicians do that). Its that it was a prostitute. This is someone who spent years closing down prostitution rings, and here he goes financially supporting one. That is the biggest issue to me. He broke a law that he fought to enforce.
ITA!
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
correct me if I am wrong - but didn't he admit to hiring hookers?
indicted yet or not, if he admitted it, he is guilty and should resign ASAP
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| Posted 3/11/08 6:38 PM |
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Shelly
Honestly, the biggest issue for me is not that he cheated on his wife (I assume all politicians do that). Its that it was a prostitute. This is someone who spent years closing down prostitution rings, and here he goes financially supporting one. That is the biggest issue to me. He broke a law that he fought to enforce.
ITA. I don't give a rats asss about him cheating on his wife. I don't care who he's schtuping (sp? my yiddish is weak) - I only care that he's breaking the law.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
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Posted by carolinep24
impeached because he cheated on his wife?
yeah seriously---i feel the same way. he made a personal mistake---he didn't do anything that other politicians aren't doing RIGHT NOW. the difference is he got caught.
I didn't care when Clinton did but he did wasn't illegal. The fact that what Spitzer did was illegal makes me think he should just resign.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Ophelia
I know nothing of money laundering...but
if he is indicted b/c of the prostitution scandal and the transport of the prostitute across state lines...so be it. He should resign.
my point is, what of all the millions of other people who pay for sex? should they also lose their jobs b/c of it?
let's face it. although illegal, many people don't think prostitution (especially the solicitation of it) is a "crime". gross yes, for those who don't do it. but should they go to jail?
smoking weed is illegal. should you lose your job and go to jail for that?
Well, as a lawyer, wanna bet I would be fired if I solicited a hooker? Not to mention losing my license. I don't see how the NYS bar association can not prosecute him for ethical violations of his law license, if nothing else. He did admit to *something* by apologizing. The feds have him, they just haven't released it all yet. Otherwise, he wouldn't have apologized without any denial.
As AG, his job was to enforce the law. And he did. He prosecuted prostitutes and thier madams. Now he is governer, his job is to execute the laws. I think its even worse for someone whose job it is to enforce the law to break it IMO.
Well said!
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by jxnoscar
Posted by carolinep24
impeached because he cheated on his wife?
No impeached bc he brought a prostitute over state lines.
Clinton was impeached because HE LIED UNDER OATH about cheating on his wife; not because he cheated on his wife.
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Re: Spitzer Should Just Resign...
Posted by Beth1210
Worse crimes have been committed IMO
but yet- Clinton, Spitzer should be impeached for not being able to keep it in there pants
yet- George W LIES and spends trillions on a war that has a foundation built on lies- and he gets to carry on wrecking our country 
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