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"Better care"

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Good, but I'm not thrilled, because I think some of the "dissenters" want something even worse put in place...

As long as they all keep arguing about how terrible to make the new bill, hopefully nothing will actually get accomplished...

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Yes, there was progress. No, we shouldn't celebrate it TOO much.

Agreed, GoldenRod.

The article above is a good explanation.

The young adult cancer community has been fighting HARD against this - I spend half my lunch hour making calls, sending postcards and faxes, as do many of my "cancer buddies". We are happy to see that FOR NOW, the bill is dead, but we are not going to go back to our regularly scheduled programming. We are going to stay aware and continue to fight every inch of the way.

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Good, but I'm not thrilled, because I think some of the "dissenters" want something even worse put in place...

As long as they all keep arguing about how terrible to make the new bill, hopefully nothing will actually get accomplished...

Are you happy because Trump "failed" or because you really think what we have now ia better than what is being proposed? Obama care is imploding. When it does a lot of people will be worse off. Something needs to be done quickly. I wish both sides would work together on this one.

I don't *wan't* him to fail. He just seems to be very good at it... He's had several decades of failing, so he's had plenty of experience.
Also, every time he fails, we all fail, and I'm getting tired of failing all the time...

All of the GOP proposals are horrible. Even trump himself called them "mean". They aren't financially viable, they take away a lot of protections that we currently have. It's all of the worst parts of the ACA, and a whole lot of other really bad things added on top of it....

The ACA is not imploding. If you look at impartial evaluations, it's stabilizing. It's only when you listen to Fox, or the GOP talking points that you hear about it "imploding".

I agree that both sides should improve the existing ACA. Basically, if they just remove most of the crap that the GOP added to the ACA, it would be a lot better.

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A few of the articles I've read said there's serious talk about repealing without a replacement now. So many people would lose coverage. I can't believe they would actually consider doing that.

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I do not know how anyone who has a heart can support these plans that have been proposed.

There is not one expert healthcare organization that has backed it.

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Posted by JennP

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by Jenhos

Posted by GoldenRod

Good, but I'm not thrilled, because I think some of the "dissenters" want something even worse put in place...

As long as they all keep arguing about how terrible to make the new bill, hopefully nothing will actually get accomplished...

Are you happy because Trump "failed" or because you really think what we have now ia better than what is being proposed? Obama care is imploding. When it does a lot of people will be worse off. Something needs to be done quickly. I wish both sides would work together on this one.

I don't *wan't* him to fail. He just seems to be very good at it... He's had several decades of failing, so he's had plenty of experience.
Also, every time he fails, we all fail, and I'm getting tired of failing all the time...

All of the GOP proposals are horrible. Even trump himself called them "mean". They aren't financially viable, they take away a lot of protections that we currently have. It's all of the worst parts of the ACA, and a whole lot of other really bad things added on top of it....

The ACA is not imploding. If you look at impartial evaluations, it's stabilizing. It's only when you listen to Fox, or the GOP talking points that you hear about it "imploding".

I agree that both sides should improve the existing ACA. Basically, if they just remove most of the crap that the GOP added to the ACA, it would be a lot better.

Perfectly stated!!!!!

Also, the fact that the PRESIDENT is washing his hands of this because he isn't getting HIS way and how he's passing the buck and not taking ownership of the healthcare bill mess is completely ridiculous. Once you're in office, you have to OWN what is happening around you in Washington. He PROMISED all of these "big, amazing, wonderful, great" healthcare options and he's fallen completely flat. That is NOT on Democrats, that is on HIM and the Republicans. They've had YEARS to come up with something that improves upon Obamacare and they've come up with nothing! That is not the Democrats fault.

In fact, they should be thanking the Democrats because they at least came up with a plan that gave millions of American healthcare and although not perfect, it's better than nothing. The Republican Party and Trump better watch their a$$es come 2018 and 2020. They aren't doing anything to help themselves lately.

As a last thought, I'm honestly sick and tired of Trump whining that everyone is "mean" and nobody will do what he wants. Welcome to politics where you just don't get your way because you yap the loudest. Maybe now he'll have a better appreciation of presidents before him and realize it's not so easy to just get things done and change the world. It's A LOT of one step forward and 10 steps back!

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Posted by Pumpkin1

Posted by jamnmore

But the cost of health insurance premiums has gone up exponentially. At my job (hubby and I have the same employer) family monthly premium is well over $2000 and we have a $12000 yearly deductible for a family plan. Out of our paycheck for a family plan, we contribute $220/week. That is $880 every 4 weeks. And then every time we go to the Dr we have an additional expense because of our deductible. In order to have anything covered by insurance, we have to first have $23440 in medical expenses. That is what my family pays between premiums and deductible. And the marketplace plans are no better. This is still the more affordable option for my family. We do not qualify for subsidies.
But I HAVE to have health insurance according to the government. So in one year our weekly contribution went from $100 to $200 with an enormous deductible. My expenses exponentially increased with no change to my health and decreased benefits. When people say that they will choose not to have health insurance it is because they can not afford it. I know a lot of families who have a burden paying the rates that they need to pay for coverage and for them there is no assistance.

You have highlighted the main problem, both with Obamacare and these replacement plans: none of them seek to control the costs of providing health care. Someone needs to focus on how to control the cost of providing healthcare and, only then, will the cost of insurance premiums go down. However, you have greedy CEOs (like the EPI-Pen one) who price gouge and suffer no consequences when they are caught. I read an interesting article yesterday which said there are way to address this (i.e. do away with some of the regulations in place and/or revamp the FDA) which could have a direct result on those costs and I hope Congress explores those options.

There in lies the problem. The price gouging and the thievery. It's disgraceful.
The pharmaceutical industry needs to be regulated somehow.
If they want to fix the healthcare issues in this country, controlling the costs is where they need to start. Only then will we be able to have affordable healthcare of any kind

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Posted by Pumpkin1

You have highlighted the main problem, both with Obamacare and these replacement plans: none of them seek to control the costs of providing health care. Someone needs to focus on how to control the cost of providing healthcare and, only then, will the cost of insurance premiums go down. However, you have greedy CEOs (like the EPI-Pen one) who price gouge and suffer no consequences when they are caught. I read an interesting article yesterday which said there are way to address this (i.e. do away with some of the regulations in place and/or revamp the FDA) which could have a direct result on those costs and I hope Congress explores those options.

There in lies the problem. The price gouging and the thievery. It's disgraceful.
The pharmaceutical industry needs to be regulated somehow.
If they want to fix the healthcare issues in this country, controlling the costs is where they need to start. Only then will we be able to have affordable healthcare of any kind

Agree. But isn't Trump pro-corporate and about deregulation?[/

That's a good point and hopefully one that will bring the parties together to find a solution. I wish both parties would look for a middle ground where neither party is happy but progress is made. That's how legislation was historically accomplished but somehow it was replaced with this "my way or the highway" approach that is counter-productive.

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Posted by Pumpkin1

Posted by stinger

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Pumpkin1

You have highlighted the main problem, both with Obamacare and these replacement plans: none of them seek to control the costs of providing health care. Someone needs to focus on how to control the cost of providing healthcare and, only then, will the cost of insurance premiums go down. However, you have greedy CEOs (like the EPI-Pen one) who price gouge and suffer no consequences when they are caught. I read an interesting article yesterday which said there are way to address this (i.e. do away with some of the regulations in place and/or revamp the FDA) which could have a direct result on those costs and I hope Congress explores those options.

There in lies the problem. The price gouging and the thievery. It's disgraceful.
The pharmaceutical industry needs to be regulated somehow.
If they want to fix the healthcare issues in this country, controlling the costs is where they need to start. Only then will we be able to have affordable healthcare of any kind

Agree. But isn't Trump pro-corporate and about deregulation?[/

That's a good point and hopefully one that will bring the parties together to find a solution. I wish both parties would look for a middle ground where neither party is happy but progress is made. That's how legislation was historically accomplished but somehow it was replaced with this "my way or the highway" approach that is counter-productive.

Also, one of Trump's campaign promises was "for every new regulation, we must do away with two." This is a prime issue where this might work.

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Maybe if the CEO's took a pay cut, health insurance would become more affordable. And remember, these guys are just the head of the snake. There are a whole bunch of people right behind them that I am sure make equally rediculous salaries. And then of course, there is the lowly call center employee who gets screamed at all day every day by dissatisfied customers who pay top dollar and receive nothing in return who make about $15/hour.

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Maybe if the CEO's took a pay cut, health insurance would become more affordable. And remember, these guys are just the head of the snake. There are a whole bunch of people right behind them that I am sure make equally rediculous salaries. And then of course, there is the lowly call center employee who gets screamed at all day every day by dissatisfied customers who pay top dollar and receive nothing in return who make about $15/hour.


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The total of just the CEOs listed here is about $400 million. The note at the bottom of the graphic says they also got stock options and other compensation, so combined, they earned $540 million dollars!

And we wonder why insurance and medical bills cost so much....

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The GOP just voted 50-50 (with Pence being the tie-breaker) to go ahead with.... something health-care related. Nobody (most of the Senators who voted) really knows what they voted for, but they voted yes on something....

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They voted to debate it. I think they thought if they voted yes, they'd tricked POTUS into thinking they repealed and replaced and get to go on their vacations after all.