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Kelly
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United 93 (Movie)
What does everyone really think about this?
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ETA: It will open at the Tribeca Film Festival on April 25th.
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I saw a preview for this at the movies this past wekeend and EVERYONE in the theater got really quiet and I even got tears in my eyes. I dont know if I can go and watch a movie about this. 
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| Posted 3/31/06 8:02 AM |
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dandr10199
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I just saw the trailer and I am bawling right now. This brings back many memories of that awful day.
I would go see it. I feel that it is a tribute to the people of flight 93.
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| Posted 3/31/06 8:19 AM |
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reggie
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I thought Nicholas Cage was in it??
I don't think I could see it.... . Just seeing the trailer makes me feel awful
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| Posted 3/31/06 8:23 AM |
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Leeners
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I think it's too soon 
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| Posted 3/31/06 8:32 AM |
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DebG
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I think I am a little more prone to go see this than the other movie being made called "world trade center"
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| Posted 3/31/06 8:43 AM |
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Kelly
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I don't know if I knew about that one. (There needs to be a little: 'shaking-my-head-in-disgust/dis-belief' icon!)
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| Posted 3/31/06 8:51 AM |
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DebG
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
Posted by Kelly
I don't know if I knew about that one. (There needs to be a little: 'shaking-my-head-in-disgust/dis-belief' icon!)
Someone had posted about it back in Dec. I think? Anyway, I had saved the text, unfortuantly I didn't save the link or the thread so I can't give credit Very sorry!) I believe the article came from the New York Times.
"LOS ANGELES (Dec. 12) -- Scores of extras loiter, their faces covered in soot. A man sprays gray insulation foam - in lieu of concrete dust - at what looks much like the corner of Church and Vesey Streets in Lower Manhattan. Another tosses reams of paper in the air. Nearby, others are debating precisely how to crush a fire truck and an ambulance.
And just over there, across a dirt road in this isolated industrial tract not far from Marina del Rey, the twisted facade and mangled girders of the wreckage of the World Trade Center are taking shape into a meticulously rendered mockup of ground zero.
A continent removed from the scrutiny of scarred New Yorkers, Oliver Stone's film about 9/11 rescue workers is deep into its second month of principal photography. And crew members working round the clock are dressing one of the most sensitive movie sets imaginable.
The film, which as of now is to be called, simply, "World Trade Center," tells the story of two Port Authority police officers, John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno, who were the last two rescue workers pulled from ground zero alive. It is billed as an uplifting story about everyday New Yorkers helping one another amid a cataclysmic tragedy. So for 20 days in October and November, the cast and crew were in the New York metropolitan area, filming at the police desk in the Port Authority bus terminal and along the route the officers took downtown on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. They filmed scenes on the Staten Island ferry, the Long Island Rail Road and a subway train in Brooklyn. They shot in Clifton, N.J., near Mr. Jimeno's house, and in other suburbs.
But now, as the production turns to the grim heart of this story - the scenes inside the World Trade Center, and inside the horrific pile it became; the discovery of the two officers 30-odd feet below the surface by an accountant who had donned his old Marine fatigues; and their extrication after a long and arduous night by teams of rescue workers - the shooting of Mr. Stone's movie is being done where it will attract far less attention: in and around the gigantic airplane hangar where Howard Hughes once built the Spruce Goose.
"Obviously, not to do it in New York was crucial, because it would offend the sensibilities of some New Yorkers," said Mr. Stone, who is one himself. "Others may look at it as a memorial, a good memorial, something that's powerful. Any memorial is subject to criticism; it's how you do it. I hope we do a good job."
The producers allowed a reporter and photographer from The New York Times to visit the set in hopes that the first images of this staged ground zero would be placed in context, rather than risking that unauthorized photographs hit the blogosphere devoid of any explanation.
"Sensitivity and accuracy, at the end of the day, are the same thing," said Michael Shamberg, who is producing the movie for Paramount Pictures with his business partner, Stacey Sher. "Because of what we've heard from the police, firefighters, civilians, the Port Authority, everyone who was there that day, loved ones - they said, 'Tell the story accurately so people understand what happened.' You can't do the Hollywood version."
The production brings its own credibility: Donald J. Lee Jr., the film's executive producer, was taking his children to school, crossing the Avenue of the Americas and West Eighth Street, when the twin towers were attacked. And Jan Roelfs, the production designer, was atop the Empire State Building to shoot a music video for Lenny Kravitz.
"The hard thing is, everybody knows it so well," said Mr. Roelfs, speaking both of the geography of Lower Manhattan and of the contours of ground zero itself. "There's not much creativity here."
Mr. Roelfs and his team of designers drew on the volumes of available data - including three-dimensional scans of the rubble field, blueprints of the trade center and interviews with many of the survivors - to reproduce what is essentially a one-acre swath of the 16-acre site.
Hundreds of carpenters, he explained, had hand-carved thousands of beams from Styrofoam, molded rubber into countless strands of stand-ins for shredded reinforcing bars, and assembled all of this inside a pit erected atop stacks of cargo containers.
At its core, the mockup of ground zero will be full-size, and as close to an exact replica as is practical, Mr. Roelfs said. At the perimeter, where fragments of the towers' facade are meant to loom in the distance, it is 65 feet high, or about half-scale; smoke and nightfall will complete the illusion, he said.
The scene is even eerier inside the old airplane hangar, where the production team rebuilt a portion of the World Trade Center concourse - complete with period handbags in the Coach storefront, clothing in the Banana Republic windows and shoes from Johnston & Murphy.
There is the elevator shaft where Mr. Jimeno, who is played by Michael Peña, and Mr. McLoughlin, who is played by Nicolas Cage, had leapt in the instant before the concourse collapsed on top of them.
And a few yards away, suspended on cables from the hangar's ceiling, is a three-dimensional sculpture of the design team's best guess of what the officers' immediate surroundings looked like as they struggled to stay alive - with a very small space for the two actors to squeeze in.
"You get actors in there, they're already getting claustrophobic," Mr. Roelfs said.
The producers of the movie, which is scheduled for release in August, had hoped to shoot extensively in Lower Manhattan, said Mr. Lee, the executive producer, who said he lost five friends in the attack. "I wanted to shoot toward St. Paul's," he said. "I wanted to shoot towards the Woolworth Building." But city officials refused to allow anything below Canal Street, he said.
Eventually, he said, officials relented for two scenes: Mr. Stone was able to film a volunteer rescuer crossing a barricade to get to ground zero. And he was able to shoot cast members in a city bus and a police S.U.V., driving down West Broadway toward the trade center complex.
With those exceptions, whatever verisimilitude the movie achieves will come from digital renderings of the Lower Manhattan streetscape, and from carefully chosen substitute locations. A street in downtown Los Angeles stood in for Manhattan's Barclay Street, with crew members tossing debris in the air.
If sensitivity and accuracy were somewhat in tension in New York, they seem not to be in Los Angeles: an earthen berm and an adjacent construction project conceal or camouflage the set in every direction except for a few houses that overlook it from the top of the Westchester bluffs.
The palm trees in the distance, Mr. Roelfs promised, would never make it into the frame.
Filming at ground zero will begin next month, he said, as he walked up to the spot beneath which the real-life police officers were discovered. And considering how carefully this set has been built, it is still an unusually dangerous one, with foam girders shifting underfoot and steep drops at any given step.
"It's kind of odd," Mr. Roelfs said, surveying his brutal sculpture. "You know it so well, suddenly you stand in the middle of it, and God - it's awful."
I see the intent of the movie, however, as someone who lived in NY for 22 years, I don't think I will ever bring myself to watch a 9/11 movie.
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Kelly
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I just can't even imagine.
I wonder how these movies will do.
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| Posted 3/31/06 9:35 AM |
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Posted by Leeners
I think it's too soon
I agree.
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| Posted 3/31/06 9:41 AM |
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I would go see it. I think if it's done right-it will be ok.
I'm actually more curious about how it will be done rather than the content.
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| Posted 3/31/06 9:49 AM |
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Posted by DMcK
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I think it's too soon
I agree.
Ditto. I got chills watching the trailer. And honestly it disgusts me to think that people will be making money off of the most horrific tragedy this nation has ever faced.
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| Posted 3/31/06 9:56 AM |
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
are any of the proceeds made from these movies going to the familys or some sort of fund? I hope so.
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| Posted 3/31/06 10:20 AM |
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I still can't watch anything relating to that day. The memories and fear it brings back to me are too much for me to handle.
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| Posted 3/31/06 10:22 AM |
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Posted by girlygrl33
are any of the proceeds made from these movies going to the familys or some sort of fund? I hope so.
That's what I'm hoping... or even assuming -- that at least a portion will go to some good cause and that not all of it is going into the pockets of hollywood. I can't imagine they would make this movie without donating some of the proceeds and that people would be okay with that.
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| Posted 3/31/06 10:32 AM |
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Kelly
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
My thought is that alot of New Yorkers (NJ'ers, PA'ers, etc...) will shy away from it and the rest of the country probably won't be too interested.
I think it affected New Yorkers much differently than it did say people from Des Moines or Indianapolis.
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| Posted 3/31/06 12:09 PM |
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DRMom
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
I might be in the minority here but people have already forgotten how horrible that day was-maybe not here but in other areas of the country. I think it's good that this horrible day and the effects it had on literally hundreds of thousands of lives-especially children-is noticed. And I do think that a good portion of the proceeds should go to victims families and finding people who are fluent in middle eastern languages to join our armed forces and fight terrorism the only way you really can by infiltrating these groups and bringing them DOWN
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| Posted 3/31/06 1:48 PM |
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Re: United 93 (Movie)
not sure if i would go see it
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| Posted 3/31/06 2:16 PM |
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dandr10199
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Posted by melijane
I might be in the minority here but people have already forgotten how horrible that day was-maybe not here but in other areas of the country. I think it's good that this horrible day and the effects it had on literally hundreds of thousands of lives-especially children-is noticed. And I do think that a good portion of the proceeds should go to victims families and finding people who are fluent in middle eastern languages to join our armed forces and fight terrorism the only way you really can by infiltrating these groups and bringing them DOWN
I agree with you.
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