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what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
I think I'd find a better vet if I were her.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
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I think I'd find a better vet if I were her.
Can you believe the luck? First, she thinks I am cruel for suggesting it THEN a bunch of us finally convince her to go and this is what he says! I can't believe it, so close.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
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I think I'd find a better vet if I were her.
Can you believe the luck? First, she thinks I am cruel for suggesting it THEN a bunch of us finally convince her to go and this is what he says! I can't believe it, so close.
I think it's wonderful that you did as much as you could. Unfortunately, it's her prerogative to be studpid and irresponsible. I've never heard of a vet recommending NOT fixing a dog not intended for breeding... I am fine with him giving her specific advice about medical questions relating to having the dog fixed -- but to say that the only reason vets recommend it is b/c they want the money (and "pet stores" because they want fewer puppies) is ridiculous.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
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I think I'd find a better vet if I were her.
Can you believe the luck? First, she thinks I am cruel for suggesting it THEN a bunch of us finally convince her to go and this is what he says! I can't believe it, so close.
I think it's wonderful that you did as much as you could. Unfortunately, it's her prerogative to be studpid and irresponsible. I've never heard of a vet recommending NOT fixing a dog not intended for breeding... I am fine with him giving her specific advice about medical questions relating to having the dog fixed -- but to say that the only reason vets recommend it is b/c they want the money (and "pet stores" because they want fewer puppies) is ridiculous.
ITA. I had a voucher for when we got Brutus fixed and the vet made a whopping $25 off of me.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
I'm really surprised a vet would say those things.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Posted by JessInCA
I'm really surprised a vet would say those things.
So am I.
aren't unfixed dogs more likely to run ?
I know they can smell an female in heat for a crazy distance.
before we had our female fixed, we found 3 male dogs on our front step. Don't know where they came from!
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
wow there are so many problems with unfixed dogs. I hear more agressive, humps things so many things. It has never crossed my mind not to have a dog fixed. Unless its being responsibly bred then I think its extremely irresponsible not to breed them! I can't believe the dr told her that??? I am at a loss for words!
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
I think she needs another vet and you should show her this thread. Growing up my Mom had 2 male dogs that were hit by cars. They weren't fixed and had a tendency to wander because of this.
Top 10 reasons to get your dog fixed - ASPCA
Have her call a local shelter as well and ask them how many unfixed dogs wind up there.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
It sounds as if she is believing what she wants to believe. I don't even know if I BUY an actual vet told her that. Maybe she read that online somewhere. I can't see ANY vet saying this.
Does she want to have puppies? I bet she does....
And even my little GIRL dog started to HUMP my male when she had her heat (I got caught before fixing her, she went into heat). Yes, they may hump and I can dispute almost every single thing she said in that email. She is being stubborn and there HAS to be a reason. She certainly doesn't have the dog's health as her primary interest IMO.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Posted by dita
I think she needs another vet and you should show her this thread. Growing up my Mom had 2 male dogs that were hit by cars. They weren't fixed and had a tendency to wander because of this.
Top 10 reasons to get your dog fixed - ASPCA
Have her call a local shelter as well and ask them how many unfixed dogs wind up there.
Please send her this info!! Thanks Dita! 
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Wow. That's all I have to say. Wow. I can't believe that vet!
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
I think she is more interested in saving money than the health of her dog. We were undecided about neutering Brody because he is a house dog and we figured who is gonna knock up? Then we read up more and we also had a voucher from Friends of Animals which made it very inexpensive. The last straw was Brody actually walking up to me in my kitchen, lifting his leg and PEEING ON ME!!!! I called right away and made an appt! True story folks!!!
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GioiaMia
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
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It sounds as if she is believing what she wants to believe. I don't even know if I BUY an actual vet told her that. Maybe she read that online somewhere. I can't see ANY vet saying this.
Does she want to have puppies? I bet she does....
And even my little GIRL dog started to HUMP my male when she had her heat (I got caught before fixing her, she went into heat). Yes, they may hump and I can dispute almost every single thing she said in that email. She is being stubborn and there HAS to be a reason. She certainly doesn't have the dog's health as her primary interest IMO.
She is a close friend and I flat out asked her if she was lying. I told her that she had no reason to lie to me since honestly, there is NOTHING I can do to force her to get this done. She said that she is telling the truth but trust me that was the first thing that crossed my mind.
Thanks everyone for responding. I will forward the information to her and I hope that it will convince her!
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
She is hearing what she wants to hear.
She said that she was uncomfortable with neutering the dog in the first place, so she probably phrased her questions to the vet in such a way that she got the answers she felt justified her situation.
I know you will give her this information, but she still won't neuter the dog. Trust me, I know. My closest friend has a Rottie and a Min-pin, both females, both unspayed. No matter how much I suggested she get the dogs spayed, she gave me all the reasons why she wouldn't. All "medically sound".
When her Min-Pin got uterine cancer and had to have a hysterectomy performed, it still wasn't enough to have the Rottie spayed. Now, over a year later, the Rottie has a tumor growing and will most likely have to have an emergency hysterectomy also.
People will do what they want to do and no amount of information will change that. Just look back at all the posts about pet stores and puppy mills, yet people still buy dogs at pet stores.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Posted by Gertyrae
My closest friend has a Rottie and a Min-pin, both females, both unspayed. No matter how much I suggested she get the dogs spayed, she gave me all the reasons why she wouldn't. All "medically sound".
When her Min-Pin got uterine cancer and had to have a hysterectomy performed, it still wasn't enough to have the Rottie spayed. Now, over a year later, the Rottie has a tumor growing and will most likely have to have an emergency hysterectomy also.
People will do what they want to do and no amount of information will change that. Just look back at all the posts about pet stores and puppy mills, yet people still buy dogs at pet stores.
These stories show that is it absolutely true that spaying and neutering prevent certain cancers.
I have a story as well. I have had MANY cats throughout my life. We had one female cat, our first cat, who was an inside cat and never neutered (I was a kid, don't know why my mom didn't do it but it was 20-30 years ago). She never had kittens either, just never fixed as she was indoors only. Sure enough, when she was 10 years old, she developed horrific mammary tumors and basically bled all over until we had her put down.
The rest of our cats were always spayed/neutered and not ONE of them ever developed a reproductive tumor ever. It was proof enough for me.
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GioiaMia
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Thank you everyone who responded. 
DH's grandparents never got their dogs fixed so I know all of these horrible stories.
my MIL is trying right now to get her teacup yorkie fixed and THREE vets haev turned her down bc he is only 5 lbs. . . she is so frustrated and said that she would have gotten a regular yorkie if she knew that. . .
It is just so frustrating but in the end I guess it is none of my business . . .
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
That is really strange that they woudl recomend not fixing a dog but what is said about removing testosterone levels increasing chance of cancer is true, I verified it with my vet.
We have a large breed mix dog and after a lot or research and talk with my vet we are delaying neutering him until he is about 18 months old.
Testosterone is responsible for closing the growth plates in a puppies joints so fixing them at a young age, under 6 months, causes them to grow taller and more lanky and ends up putting more stress on their joints. These dogs are more susceptible to ACL tears and hip problems later on.
We have had quite a few of our dogs over the past have these problems, they were raised through guiding eyes for the blind so we didn't have a say in their spaying/neutering schedule.
So while we are delaying his spaying until he has a chance to fully grow in length and almost completely fill out, he will be neutered when he is 18 months.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Posted by Blissful
That is really strange that they woudl recomend not fixing a dog but what is said about removing testosterone levels increasing chance of cancer is true, I verified it with my vet.
We have a large breed mix dog and after a lot or research and talk with my vet we are delaying neutering him until he is about 18 months old.
Testosterone is responsible for closing the growth plates in a puppies joints so fixing them at a young age, under 6 months, causes them to grow taller and more lanky and ends up putting more stress on their joints. These dogs are more susceptible to ACL tears and hip problems later on.
We have had quite a few of our dogs over the past have these problems, they were raised through guiding eyes for the blind so we didn't have a say in their spaying/neutering schedule.
So while we are delaying his spaying until he has a chance to fully grow in length and almost completely fill out, he will be neutered when he is 18 months.
Thank you for offering a different perspective!
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
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We have a large breed mix dog and after a lot or research and talk with my vet we are delaying neutering him until he is about 18 months old.
Testosterone is responsible for closing the growth plates in a puppies joints so fixing them at a young age, under 6 months, causes them to grow taller and more lanky and ends up putting more stress on their joints. These dogs are more susceptible to ACL tears and hip problems later on.
Thank you for offering a different perspective!
Well on that note, I also wanted to add my experience with something similar. I waited a bit to have my girl fixed for similar reasons. She was having serious bladder control issues and I had read that the hormones are sometimes needed to help fully mature the bladder. It was terrible, the poor girl would run to the door and just could not hold it. I was training her like crazy, she knew what to do but just could not hold it. She would drip pee if she got excited or someone picked her up. She couldn't hold it more than 2 hrs, it was torture for her.
So I did research and read that sometimes when girl dogs are fixed too young, their bladder may never fully mature and may need some hormone pills for life to help the bladder function. That worried me greatly, and I wanted to help my girl as much as I could. I discussed it all with my vet and as I was waiting a bit for her bladder to appear more mature, she went into heat (8mths). Sure enough, the mth she went into heat, she started showing signs of improvement. I don't know if it was coincidence or b/c I had the diaper on her (she was miserable and didn't want to run/play), or truly due to hormones surging that helped her bladder.
But she did go on to gain great bladder control (she can hold it forever now). But I did get her fixed about 2 mths after the heat. I do still sometimes worry if I did the right thing b/c I have read even going into one heat can increase the chances of breast cancer, but I did as much research as I could, and I had to make the best choice possible based on the situation. I figured her having bladder issues her whole life could be just as bad for her (and me!) than the small increased risk of breast cancer from the one heat. But trust me, once she went into that heat and started humping, her privates and nipples swelled up, I felt terrible that I didn't do it sooner but I had to make a choice that would best help the situation. I would have never NOT fixed her though after enough time had passed b/c I had seen what not being fixed did to other's pets and my cat growing up though.
So on that note, I don't think there is anything wrong with having a valid reason to wait awhile. But it's definitely not in the animal's best interest to never do it for their entire life (from a medical standpoint and a humane standpoint). It is very upsetting and torturous to them when they are in heat or experiencing hormonal frustration. They are only animals who will act on instinct and it can be very upsetting to them. I know my girl was tortured in her one heat, she was miserable and it made me so sad for her.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
Wow. I thnk she should go for a 2nd opinion. I have never heard of a vet saying that.
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Re: what do you think of this? re: fixing your pet
When i was growing up i had about 5 dogs.. 4 of them were female.. all I can tell you is my parents and i (but I was 7) were ignorant.. We didnt spay/neuter any of them.. we never got a prenancy  weird and they did get stuck all the time when the female went into heat.. But all I can tell you is that it was really disgusting.. The female dogs bled all over.. they were very very small dogs so it was not gushing out all over but it did get on the rugs and on there blankets and on my sheets if they went up on the bed at the time.. It was really horrible.. That is my experience.. So now they have he diapers ( i really dont think back then they did) How annoying and unnatural is that?? I just cant see it.. boy dogs are easier I guess but wth all the information out there how could you not?? Its just better for there overall health.. Get a second opinion please..
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