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Would you be upset if...
Your "typical" developing child was put in an inclusion class with special needs children?
If so, why would that upset you?
I'll put a poll for anyone who wants to stay anonymous. I'm curious and I would just like some honest opinions.
Thanks. 
ETA: It would not upset me for obvious reasons. My son attends typical preschool with a SEIT.
I guess I should also add that he's not learning disabled at all. He has a slight speech delay, attention issues, and behavior issues. Lol, which makes this my funniest and most depressing post ever.
I really do appreciate everyone being honest. It is the best policy.
Message edited 10/10/2010 5:31:23 PM.
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Posted 10/9/10 11:14 PM  |
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Re: Would you be upset if...
It would bug me if I didn't know why or I didn't see a need for it.
But that is my nature: I don't like anything that doesn't have a concrete answer.
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| Posted 10/10/10 1:17 AM |
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Calla
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Re: Would you be upset if...
I replied maybe. Depends on what the special needs are and whether or not the teacher has adequate support to manage any issue that result. If there was a full time aid to assist, then I wouldn't be upset in the least. If the single teacher was left on her own thats is where the maybe comes into play -- does the child have behavioral or emotional issues that will require a lot of attention?
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| Posted 10/10/10 7:22 AM |
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rojerono
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Re: Would you be upset if...
I said no.. but I'm basing that on what I perceive as inclusion and special needs.
Robbie has had special needs children in his class since Kindergarten and I've never thought to consider that it might be any sort of issue.
They all do specials (music, gym and art) together. They also have normal classroom lessons. Kids who require a little additional attention get to go to a resource room. Some kids get special attention in the other direction - leaving for Mathletes or Seed - so it doesn't seem terribly stigmatizing or unusual.
Now.. this is at an elementary level and like I said - not a problem at all. HOWEVER - I might have a challenge with it at a higher grade. My girlfriend teaches high school math. Her class this year has several special needs type kids mixed in with kids who are able to pick things up a little faster. It's frustrating for her and for all of the kids involved from what she's said. Those classes are what.. 40 minutes? I might be frustrated as the parent of a 'typical' child or as the parent of a 'special needs' child in that kind of instance.
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| Posted 10/10/10 7:33 AM |
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A3CM
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Re: Would you be upset if...
i voted no.. i am hoping when my DD goes to school our district moves the inclusion classes to our home school so she can be in the classes.
<- DS is autistic and we are preparing and hoping he will mainstream.
i guess i could see why some parent would have problems with it... kids feed off of each other and some parent feel that their child will start to act out in ways that they never did, bc of such special needs child.
to each their own, but i think most school districts give you that option to have your child in an inclusion class
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| Posted 10/10/10 7:44 AM |
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jes81276
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Re: Would you be upset if...
no...it's a great model if it's done correctly
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| Posted 10/10/10 8:19 AM |
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Not at all. In fact I would welcome it. I think "regular" children in inclusion classes learn about tolerance, and acceptance of people who are different from them in a very concrete way when exposed to such differences on a daily basis, rather than an ad hoc basis.
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| Posted 10/10/10 10:29 AM |
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PatsBrat
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Maybe I'm biased because I have taught in such a situation, but I feel it's a win/win situation for all children involved.
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| Posted 10/10/10 10:31 AM |
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lucyloo
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Re: Would you be upset if...
I said maybe. I would depend upon how it would affect the attention given to my child.
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| Posted 10/10/10 10:59 AM |
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Stacey1403
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Not at all. In fact I would welcome it. I think "regular" children in inclusion classes learn about tolerance, and acceptance of people who are different from them in a very concrete way when exposed to such differences on a daily basis, rather than an ad hoc basis.
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| Posted 10/10/10 11:00 AM |
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MikesBride
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Re: Would you be upset if...
It would not upset me at all...in fact if given the option I'd probably choose to put DC in an inclusion classroom. I want them exposed to all kinds of different people so that they know, in the end, people are people are people.
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| Posted 10/10/10 11:58 AM |
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WhatNow
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Re: Would you be upset if...
My honest answer, yes! I would be upset and very uncomfortable with that! I don't think it would be fair to either group. It would keep the kids developing at regular pace behind and not let them go forward in their studies with the speed they are able to, and it would also not let the special needs children have the extra attention and particular environment they require.
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| Posted 10/10/10 1:33 PM |
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justthe4ofus
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Re: Would you be upset if...
I put maybe. I am a teacher and have taught an inclusion type setting. When a child is placed in there because they have learning disabilities, not a problem, but I have had children placed in my class that were emotionally distrubed and violent, THAT I have a HUGE problem with.
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| Posted 10/10/10 1:40 PM |
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mommy2bella
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Posted by jes81276
no...it's a great model if it's done correctly
I 100% agree. But I also think it's a case by case basis on the child being "included". Many times lately I am hearing of children with severe behavioral issues and other needs being placed in these classes. That is where my main concern lies, where is the line?
I am fully for it, as long as everyone...INCLUDING parents remain informed and well educated on the situation.
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| Posted 10/10/10 1:44 PM |
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Posted by mommy2bella
Posted by jes81276
no...it's a great model if it's done correctly
I 100% agree. But I also think it's a case by case basis on the child being "included". Many times lately I am hearing of children with severe behavioral issues and other needs being placed in these classes. That is where my main concern lies, where is the line?
I am fully for it, as long as everyone...INCLUDING parents remain informed and well educated on the situation.
I'm not really sure they can inform all the parents. It's a privacy issue, KWIM?
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| Posted 10/10/10 1:58 PM |
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SoinLove
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Not at all. In fact I would welcome it. I think "regular" children in inclusion classes learn about tolerance, and acceptance of people who are different from them in a very concrete way when exposed to such differences on a us daily basis, rather than an ad hoc basis.
Exactly why I voted "no"!
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:06 PM |
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patti08
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Re: Would you be upset if...
If the rate of teaching was the same as it is in a "typical" classroom I'd be OK with it. If it were going to slow down the rate that DD would be learning I wouldn't be happy.
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:12 PM |
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Would you be upset if...
I don't know why it would "upset" anyone. I might question it as a parent, but there is no reason why it should be "upsetting." A good inclusion class SHOULD have typical students to be appropriate peer models.
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:23 PM |
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Posted by Jacksmommy
I don't know why it would "upset" anyone. I might question it as a parent, but there is no reason why it should be "upsetting." A good inclusion class SHOULD have typical students to be appropriate peer models.
I know some parents are not happy about their children being put in a class with special needs children.
I don't know why it upsets them, but I know that sometimes it does. So I guess I'm just trying to understand why.
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:27 PM |
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LisaI
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Re: Would you be upset if...
In my DD's school (both schools) Kindergarten is known to have all children thrown together. After the first semester tihngs start to get more settled and then children are placed where needed. I have to tell you. I work in both DD's schools on a weekly basis and I was completely blown away how much the inclusion children became main stream by year end. I was so proud of them, the other children and of course the teachers.
K is not an issue for me due to having only 20 children, 1 teacher and 1 paraprofessional along with constant stream of parent volunteers. Once out of K I see it causing a class distruption issue having one teacher to 20 students.
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:36 PM |
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jgl
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Re: Would you be upset if...
No, just about EVERY class (even if they have no "classified" students) could be considered an inclusion class. Every class has some kids who are struggling, who need to be classified, who are recieving AIS services, have attention issues, are ESL, or have behavioral issues (to some extent). Just because a student is classified, doesnt mean that they are going to interfer in your childs learning. Some students who are classified and considered an inclusion students are quite bright, but may just have attentional issues that affect their own learning. You can not assume that just because a child is in an inclusion class they are going to impact the class negatively.
Most "inclusion" classes have a teacher and an assistant. Most asisstants are certified teachers. As a former assistant and now inclusion teacher, I can tell you that those TAs help all, not just the "classified" student. This benefits all the students.
The only time I would NOT be happy with my child being in a class (in regards to students) would be if a student in my DC class was aggressive or overally distracting and impeding on my childs chance to learn.
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:36 PM |
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nicrae
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Posted by jgl
No, just about EVERY class (even if they have no "classified" students) could be considered an inclusion class. Every class has some kids who are struggling, who need to be classified, who are recieving AIS services, have attention issues, are ESL, or have behavioral issues (to some extent). Just because a student is classified, doesnt mean that they are going to interfer in your childs learning. Some students who are classified and considered an inclusion students are quite bright, but may just have attentional issues that affect their own learning. You can not assume that just because a child is in an inclusion class they are going to impact the class negatively.
Most "inclusion" classes have a teacher and an assistant. Most asisstants are certified teachers. As a former assistant and now inclusion teacher, I can tell you that those TAs help all, not just the "classified" student. This benefits all the students.
The only time I would NOT be happy with my child being in a class (in regards to students) would be if a student in my DC class was aggressive or overally distracting and impeding on my childs chance to learn.
What she said!
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| Posted 10/10/10 2:52 PM |
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mommyIam
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Wow if you just stop me in the street and asked id say, of course id be totally unhappy, why should he be there?
But I know a lot of moms who replied are teachers, getting their perspective on here, gives me a different one.
My only thought now is, as long as he isn't bored, id welcome it.
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| Posted 10/10/10 3:43 PM |
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browneyedgirl
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Re: Would you be upset if...
Posted by WhatNow
My honest answer, yes! I would be upset and very uncomfortable with that! I don't think it would be fair to either group. It would keep the kids developing at regular pace behind and not let them go forward in their studies with the speed they are able to, and it would also not let the special needs children have the extra attention and particular environment they require.
this is a misperception of what an inclusion class is. it will NOT, by any means, keep typial kids from developing at a regular pace. in fact, it is proven to do the opposite. typical kids get the attention of at least 2 adults full time. the teachers have more resources and time to create differentiated lessons and more challenging activities for higher level kids.
there is nothing that would stop the special needs kids from having extra attention!!!! they have a full time special ed teacher, and a full time general ed teacher, who can modify and tailor lessons to their individual style of learning. they blossom in these programs (if they are appropriately placed).
it's a win win for everyone. as an inclusion teacher for 7 years (and teaching for 10) and as a mom of 2 kids, it honestly upsets me that people think being in an inclusion kid would be detrimental to their child. ALL kids have strengths and weaknesses. there are children with learning and behavioral disabilities in ALL classes. being learning disabled (or any type of disabled) DOES NOT equal having behavior problems!!!! it is 2 completely different things. of course kids with learning problems can have behavioral issues, but so can typically developing children!
typical kids learn so much from being placed with children who have learning needs. they are NOT there to "teach" those kids. they all learn together, at their own pace, and they thrive. the most well rounded typical children come out of an inclusion class because they have learned patience, compassion and love from working with all different kinds of kids. they also get extra attention because they have 2 teachers!!! most general ed classes (which ALWAYS have unidentified struggling learners) have 24 kids with one teacher. most inclusion classes are typically slightly smaller and have 2 teachers. so an inclusion class with 22 kids and 2 teachers (at least) has an 11 to 1 ratio as opposed to a 24 to 1 ratio.
my class right now has a 6 to 1 ratio because we have a full time student teacher--you can't beat that level of personalized instruction!!!
please feel free to ask me any questions regarding this model. i consider myself to be an expert as i have been well trained and have significant experience. seeing this poll is disheartening because many parents are uninformed of what this class truly is.
i will be requesting inclusion for my 2 kids every year if it is available. i know they will thrive if they are placed there whether they are an identified kid, typical learner, or advanced learner.
of course every teacher and every class is different, but there is NOTHING to be scared of if your child is placed in this setting. you are more likely to meet with behavior problems in typical classes because children with behavior problems (who don't have identified learning problems) are usually kept out of these classes.
please don't judge a model if you're not informed about it. you are doing your child a disservice by thinking your child is "above" it.
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| Posted 10/10/10 4:38 PM |
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maggiebaby75
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Re: Would you be upset if...
NO WAY! I would welcome it! The responders who are responding yes just don't understand what it is all about. There is nothing to fear in a class like this and the special needs kids who are placed in this sort of environment are learning disabled usually not emotional and learning disabled. So these children who are special only need help with the academic part not with behavioral issues.
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