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klingklang77
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Spinoff to my own post...
The US does not need a draft right now. Hasn’t the US started enough wars?
Certain countries have/had compulsory military service, but they need/needed it.
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
If it is needed, then I guess it needs to be done, but they need to be more transparent about the process.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
i believe it is VERY unlikely that we'll ever have to use a draft again because of a few of the reasons already stated... hand-to-hand combat is used a lot less, there are enough people joining voluntarily, and if we needed a surge of people i really believe that there is a large segment of the population who would quickly volunteer.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by MarathonKnitter
i believe it is VERY unlikely that we'll ever have to use a draft again because of a few of the reasons already stated... hand-to-hand combat is used a lot less, there are enough people joining voluntarily, and if we needed a surge of people i really believe that there is a large segment of the population who would quickly volunteer.
ITA
A lot of people volunteered after 9/11.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by MarathonKnitter
i believe it is VERY unlikely that we'll ever have to use a draft again because of a few of the reasons already stated... hand-to-hand combat is used a lot less, there are enough people joining voluntarily, and if we needed a surge of people i really believe that there is a large segment of the population who would quickly volunteer.
ITA
A lot of people volunteered after 9/11.
exactly.
and back in 1991, a lot of my peers signed up for the gulf war.
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
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Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Your post is pretty offensive. My dad is a disabled vet after triggering a landmine in Vietnam. He does not have a low IQ. He also didn’t want to be there and had no choice.
I don’t think you know anything about what you are talking about.
Sure the army does tests and sends people where they are needed. Same thing in WW2 and in regular times. The army has lots of different jobs and during times of active combat, the need for front line soldiers is going to be high so more people will be sent there regardless of ability, skill, or IQ.
I really don’t think you realize how awful you come across. How about not posting an offensive statement based on one personal account and acting like you know something.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
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Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
Wow, did you really just say that? 
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by queensgal
Your post is pretty offensive. My dad is a disabled vet after triggering a landmine in Vietnam. He does not have a low IQ. He also didn’t want to be there and had no choice.
I don’t think you know anything about what you are talking about.
Sure the army does tests and sends people where they are needed. Same thing in WW2 and in regular times. The army has lots of different jobs and during times of active combat, the need for front line soldiers is going to be high so more people will be sent there regardless of ability, skill, or IQ.
I really don’t think you realize how awful you come across. How about not posting an offensive statement based on one personal account and acting like you know something.
I’m just talking about something I read and saying if they do a draft they need to be more transparent. I don’t see how talking about something I read is offensive. It isn’t my belief and something I think should be done, so that’s why I said it needs to be more transparent.
There are two articles you can read about it.
https://behavioralscientist.org/psychologists-go-war/
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjR_87tw_3sAhUJ1RoKHX0JCscQFjALegQIHRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Facademic.oup.com%2Fmilmed%2Farticle-pdf%2F172%2F1%2F31%2F21980477%2Fmilmed.172.1.31.pdf&usg=AOvVaw23OaKqHRE__i4ZFpZDoWqC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_General_Classification_Test
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
I said I READ something a few years ago about it. What part of that don’t you understand? I NEVER said it was a good idea, but sadly, it has happened with drafts, from what I READ.
I’m not reporting something I heard from my cousin’s sister in law’s friend of a friend. 
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
My father was on the front lines in Vietnam. He was drafted and definitely did not want to be there. He fought in a war that man people did not support.
He watched childhood friends die and still doesn't like to talk about it. He also definitely does not have a low IQ. He is one of the smartest men that I know.
I usually give you the benefit of the doubt (you seem very socially awkward and probably do not mean things to come out the way they do). In this instance, however, I found your comment to very offensive.
As for the OP, I do not agree that we need a mandatory draft. I am sorry for what happened to your husband, but he chose to join the military. I commend him for that choice and his bravery, but I do not agree with forcing people to join.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by amac27
My father was on the front lines in Vietnam. He was drafted and definitely did not want to be there. He fought in a war that man people did not support.
He watched childhood friends die and still doesn't like to talk about it. He also definitely does not have a low IQ. He is one of the smartest men that I know.
I usually give you the benefit of the doubt (you seem very socially awkward and probably do not mean things to come out the way they do). In this instance, however, I found your comment to very offensive.
As for the OP, I do not agree that we need a mandatory draft. I am sorry for what happened to your husband, but he chose to join the military. I commend him for that choice and his bravery, but I do not agree with forcing people to join.
Wow, socially awkward? That’s a new one.
My comment is about something I READ about military intelligence testing and its lack of transparency and how they place people. I used an example of my father, who, by the way, got left back in 2nd grade. I have no idea what his IQ is. I don’t think many people know other people’s IQs. IQs aren’t a full measure of someone’s intelligence either. I never said anyone was stupid. I’m done with this discussion.
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
Here’s how you could have responded:
“My original post was short and left out details that seemed to have led to a miscommunication.
I read some articles about how people were deployed in previous drafts and I think more transparency is needed when major decisions that affect people’s lives are made. I can link a few to explain what I mean.
I have deep respect for veterans both in my family and yours and didn’t intend for my post to be hurtful. I apologize if it was.
I’m not sure why the thought of people in another country honoring their veterans bothers me so much. This is something I should discuss with my therapist and reflect more on.”
Instead you want to call me names and claim that I can’t read words you never wrote. I really hope you have professional help. Your posts really come across as someone who needs help. I remember when you told me that I shouldn’t let my husband sleep in our bed due to covid. Mental health isn’t a joke, I sincerely hope you get help for whatever your issues are.
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by queensgal
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
Here’s how you could have responded:
“My original post was short and left out details that seemed to have led to a miscommunication.
I read some articles about how people were deployed in previous drafts and I think more transparency is needed when major decisions that affect people’s lives are made. I can link a few to explain what I mean.
I have deep respect for veterans both in my family and yours and didn’t intend for my post to be hurtful. I apologize if it was.
I’m not sure why the thought of people in another country honoring their veterans bothers me so much. This is something I should discuss with my therapist and reflect more on.”
Instead you want to call me names and claim that I can’t read words you never wrote. I really hope you have professional help. Your posts really come across as someone who needs help. I remember when you told me that I shouldn’t let my husband sleep in our bed due to covid. Mental health isn’t a joke, I sincerely hope you get help for whatever your issues are.
I was waiting for the “mental health” comment. I’m fine actually. Since you seem to be playing an arm chair psychiatrist, I’ll play along, too. Let’s start with your narcissism and the fact that you need to make it look like you really care, but instead you don’t?
I guess you can add that to the fact that you said I need to be a better human being.
Next time I make a post, I’ll be sure to contact you, so I say things in exactly the words you want me to use. I said those things above but in different and articulate ways. I did not use insults.
But please go back to being an armchair psychiatrist.
Anyone else want to join in?
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LuckyStar
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by queensgal
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
Here’s how you could have responded:
“My original post was short and left out details that seemed to have led to a miscommunication.
I read some articles about how people were deployed in previous drafts and I think more transparency is needed when major decisions that affect people’s lives are made. I can link a few to explain what I mean.
I have deep respect for veterans both in my family and yours and didn’t intend for my post to be hurtful. I apologize if it was.
I’m not sure why the thought of people in another country honoring their veterans bothers me so much. This is something I should discuss with my therapist and reflect more on.”
Instead you want to call me names and claim that I can’t read words you never wrote. I really hope you have professional help. Your posts really come across as someone who needs help. I remember when you told me that I shouldn’t let my husband sleep in our bed due to covid. Mental health isn’t a joke, I sincerely hope you get help for whatever your issues are.
I was waiting for the “mental health” comment. I’m fine actually. Since you seem to be playing an arm chair psychiatrist, I’ll play along, too. Let’s start with your narcissism and the fact that you need to make it look like you really care, but instead you don’t?
I guess you can add that to the fact that you said I need to be a better human being.
Next time I make a post, I’ll be sure to contact you, so I say things in exactly the words you want me to use. I said those things above but in different and articulate ways. I did not use insults.
But please go back to being an armchair psychiatrist.
Anyone else want to join in?
Why are you so mean to everyone?
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LuckyStar
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by MarathonKnitter
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Posted by MarathonKnitter
i believe it is VERY unlikely that we'll ever have to use a draft again because of a few of the reasons already stated... hand-to-hand combat is used a lot less, there are enough people joining voluntarily, and if we needed a surge of people i really believe that there is a large segment of the population who would quickly volunteer.
ITA
A lot of people volunteered after 9/11.
exactly.
and back in 1991, a lot of my peers signed up for the gulf war.
I agree. And in reference to the other post, thank you to all who served and also to the wives/husbands and moms/dads, who are heroes in their own right.
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by queensgal
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
Here’s how you could have responded:
“My original post was short and left out details that seemed to have led to a miscommunication.
I read some articles about how people were deployed in previous drafts and I think more transparency is needed when major decisions that affect people’s lives are made. I can link a few to explain what I mean.
I have deep respect for veterans both in my family and yours and didn’t intend for my post to be hurtful. I apologize if it was.
I’m not sure why the thought of people in another country honoring their veterans bothers me so much. This is something I should discuss with my therapist and reflect more on.”
Instead you want to call me names and claim that I can’t read words you never wrote. I really hope you have professional help. Your posts really come across as someone who needs help. I remember when you told me that I shouldn’t let my husband sleep in our bed due to covid. Mental health isn’t a joke, I sincerely hope you get help for whatever your issues are.
I was waiting for the “mental health” comment. I’m fine actually. Since you seem to be playing an arm chair psychiatrist, I’ll play along, too. Let’s start with your narcissism and the fact that you need to make it look like you really care, but instead you don’t?
I guess you can add that to the fact that you said I need to be a better human being.
Next time I make a post, I’ll be sure to contact you, so I say things in exactly the words you want me to use. I said those things above but in different and articulate ways. I did not use insults.
But please go back to being an armchair psychiatrist.
Anyone else want to join in?
Why are you so mean to everyone?
Seriously? She says I have a mental health problem and I’m called mean? She says I need to be a better human being and I’m called mean? I have every right to defend myself. I’d hardly call that mean.
Please tell me how you would react if someone says to you that you need mental help because of a discussion on a message board. Or that you should be a better human being. Or that there is something seriously wrong with your SO. Yeah, I don’t think you would like it too much.
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| Posted 11/13/20 2:48 AM |
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LuckyStar
LIF Adult
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by queensgal
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
Here’s how you could have responded:
“My original post was short and left out details that seemed to have led to a miscommunication.
I read some articles about how people were deployed in previous drafts and I think more transparency is needed when major decisions that affect people’s lives are made. I can link a few to explain what I mean.
I have deep respect for veterans both in my family and yours and didn’t intend for my post to be hurtful. I apologize if it was.
I’m not sure why the thought of people in another country honoring their veterans bothers me so much. This is something I should discuss with my therapist and reflect more on.”
Instead you want to call me names and claim that I can’t read words you never wrote. I really hope you have professional help. Your posts really come across as someone who needs help. I remember when you told me that I shouldn’t let my husband sleep in our bed due to covid. Mental health isn’t a joke, I sincerely hope you get help for whatever your issues are.
I was waiting for the “mental health” comment. I’m fine actually. Since you seem to be playing an arm chair psychiatrist, I’ll play along, too. Let’s start with your narcissism and the fact that you need to make it look like you really care, but instead you don’t?
I guess you can add that to the fact that you said I need to be a better human being.
Next time I make a post, I’ll be sure to contact you, so I say things in exactly the words you want me to use. I said those things above but in different and articulate ways. I did not use insults.
But please go back to being an armchair psychiatrist.
Anyone else want to join in?
Why are you so mean to everyone?
Seriously? She says I have a mental health problem and I’m called mean? She says I need to be a better human being and I’m called mean? I have every right to defend myself. I’d hardly call that mean.
Please tell me how you would react if someone says to you that you need mental help because of a discussion on a message board. Or that you should be a better human being. Or that there is something seriously wrong with your SO. Yeah, I don’t think you would like it too much.
Did she mention your SO? I'm confused.
I personally was not offended by your post and understood that it was something you read. But I could see how someone else would be offended, and in this instance, many were. It just seems odd to me that someone would tell you they were upset by what you said and you would just go in harder.
If I recall, you have in the past made comments that were outright mean (hence my question). Perhaps you don't realize you're being mean. If someone called me mean or said I needed mental help on a message board, I would feel bad for saying something offensive.
In fact, now that I type, I believe you once called me a racist for saying "call a spade a spade." I don't have a racist bone in my body and meant no offense whatsoever. I disagreed with your take on the comment and still apologized profusely because I didn't want my words to hurt anyone and it's not my place to tell someone what they should and shouldn't be offended by.
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| Posted 11/13/20 3:26 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by queensgal
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
You really need to just stop talking/typing and trying to make what you said better in posting articles in your following posts. You are insulting a huge amount of people who have been on the front lines and you have no idea what you are saying. Just stop.
I don’t see how it is insulting to have a discussion about something. I’ve acknowledged those that served and I do appreciate them. I have people in my family that served on the front lines in Vietnam; my uncle’s job was to fly body bags out from the fighting. He served in many, many places for about 20 years. I get it. However, this is a discussion about the draft and, personally, I am allowed to comment and discuss it. It shouldn’t be heated because of something I read.
If you don’t like the fact that I talked about something I read, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean do you go to book clubs and attack the person about a summary they gave? No, you might for an opinion, but not for a summary. That’s just ridiculous.
This forum has become really weird lately. It’s starting to read like the comments on the News12 page on FB.
Here’s how you could have responded:
“My original post was short and left out details that seemed to have led to a miscommunication.
I read some articles about how people were deployed in previous drafts and I think more transparency is needed when major decisions that affect people’s lives are made. I can link a few to explain what I mean.
I have deep respect for veterans both in my family and yours and didn’t intend for my post to be hurtful. I apologize if it was.
I’m not sure why the thought of people in another country honoring their veterans bothers me so much. This is something I should discuss with my therapist and reflect more on.”
Instead you want to call me names and claim that I can’t read words you never wrote. I really hope you have professional help. Your posts really come across as someone who needs help. I remember when you told me that I shouldn’t let my husband sleep in our bed due to covid. Mental health isn’t a joke, I sincerely hope you get help for whatever your issues are.
I was waiting for the “mental health” comment. I’m fine actually. Since you seem to be playing an arm chair psychiatrist, I’ll play along, too. Let’s start with your narcissism and the fact that you need to make it look like you really care, but instead you don’t?
I guess you can add that to the fact that you said I need to be a better human being.
Next time I make a post, I’ll be sure to contact you, so I say things in exactly the words you want me to use. I said those things above but in different and articulate ways. I did not use insults.
But please go back to being an armchair psychiatrist.
Anyone else want to join in?
Why are you so mean to everyone?
Seriously? She says I have a mental health problem and I’m called mean? She says I need to be a better human being and I’m called mean? I have every right to defend myself. I’d hardly call that mean.
Please tell me how you would react if someone says to you that you need mental help because of a discussion on a message board. Or that you should be a better human being. Or that there is something seriously wrong with your SO. Yeah, I don’t think you would like it too much.
Did she mention your SO? I'm confused.
I personally was not offended by your post and understood that it was something you read. But I could see how someone else would be offended, and in this instance, many were. It just seems odd to me that someone would tell you they were upset by what you said and you would just go in harder.
If I recall, you have in the past made comments that were outright mean (hence my question). Perhaps you don't realize you're being mean. If someone called me mean or said I needed mental help on a message board, I would feel bad for saying something offensive.
In fact, now that I type, I believe you once called me a racist for saying "call a spade a spade." I don't have a racist bone in my body and meant no offense whatsoever. I disagreed with your take on the comment and still apologized profusely because I didn't want my words to hurt anyone and it's not my place to tell someone what they should and shouldn't be offended by.
She knows what she is saying. Telling parents they should have been prepared for a pandemic when thinking about having kids to telling me that I should die.
Mean is a nice word.
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| Posted 11/13/20 3:30 AM |
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ap123
LIF Infant
Member since 10/10 268 total posts
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
I did a quick read of two of your links, and I don't think it implies some people are expendable, rather, they tested and used the tests to make good placement choices. Like making sure illiterate people were not in a position that required reading.
I hope you realize it takes brains to be in the armed forces. Strategy and discipline.
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| Posted 11/13/20 3:35 AM |
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Bebelove
LIF Adolescent
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
No. And if so it should be split 50/50 M/F. I’d hope the incentives would increase for folks to volunteer before a draft.
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| Posted 11/13/20 4:02 AM |
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Bebelove
LIF Adolescent
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
From what I understand they do many tests as to where you were sent during the draft. My dad was drafted during Vietnam, but he was sent to Germany instead. From what I understand they sent “expendable” people to the front lines.
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What makes a person "expendable?" I guess you are implying your dad was not sent to Vietnam but instead to Germany because he was not expendable. so if my father was sent to Vietnam I guess it's because he was expendable?
No, I didn’t mean it to come across that way at all, hence the “ “. No one is expendable.
I should rephrase that and say what position and where they are sent. I remember reading a few years back about many psychological tests that are done where they are sent and what position they are put in. I mean let’s face it. Someone has a low IQ and the army will think let’s put them on the front lines and they can kill a few people before they die. But they might also throw a few in there with higher IQs. Who knows? It’s horrible, so that’s why I think they need more transparency.
Oh my G*d. You need to step away from your keyboard, get a clue and get a life. This is disgusting what you just posted and the reason I rarely visit this site anymore. Unreal.
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| Posted 11/13/20 4:10 AM |
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mema2012
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Member since 10/12 333 total posts
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Re: Spinoff to my own post...
Curious if you actually read the two articles you linked?
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| Posted 11/13/20 4:10 AM |
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