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Mill188
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NYS underreport nursing home deaths
NYS NURSING HOME DEATH
Is anyone surprised? However, Cuomo did write a book! 
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GoldenRod
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
I fixed the link:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/28/new-york-may-have-underreported-nursing-home-covid-deaths-by-as-much-as-50-report-finds/?sh=252b001e5159
New York State drastically underreported nursing home deaths related to Covid-19, according to the results of an investigation published Thursday by New York Attorney General Letitia James that will likely revive controversy over Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home policies.
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| Posted 1/27/21 6:50 PM |
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
As heartbreaking as this is, it’s nice to see the separation of powers at work. Look at a full blown investigation by the attorney general without interference from the governor.
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| Posted 1/27/21 7:01 PM |
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seaside
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by DancinBarefoot
As heartbreaking as this is, it’s nice to see the separation of powers at work. Look at a full blown investigation by the attorney general without interference from the governor.
Love this perspective, and agree!
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| Posted 1/27/21 7:16 PM |
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Momma2015
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
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| Posted 1/27/21 7:18 PM |
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Shocker.
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| Posted 1/27/21 7:40 PM |
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queensgal
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
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| Posted 1/27/21 10:58 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
The "declaring all deaths Covid" was debunked early on.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/debunking-the-false-claim-that-covid-death-counts-are-inflated1/
NY infection and death rate was so high because we were hit first. Most people who come from Europe land in NYC. There were 3 million people from Europe that flew to NYC between discovering the virus, and putting the ban up.
Also, we didn't know how to treat it at first.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/doctors-how-treating-covid-19-has-changed
"We now have some treatments that are effective against the new coronavirus and fortunately decrease mortality," Dr. Russo said.
"Previously the world round death rate was like 1.5%, now we're talking about less than 1`%," Dr. Sethi said.
Doctors now use two drugs to treat COVID-19 patients.
"The first treatment is an anti-viral drug called Remdesivir. Although that doesn't decrease mortality, it does decrease the number of days that someone is ill in the hospital. The second drug is a steroid called Dexamethasone. Dexamethasone does decrease mortality significantly," Dr. Russo said.
Doctors are using ventilators differently.
"We try to delay intubation and putting them on a ventilator as much as possible. We try to maintain their oxigenization other ways," Dr. Sethi said.
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| Posted 1/28/21 12:06 AM |
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queensgal
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
The "declaring all deaths Covid" was debunked early on.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/debunking-the-false-claim-that-covid-death-counts-are-inflated1/
NY infection and death rate was so high because we were hit first. Most people who come from Europe land in NYC. There were 3 million people from Europe that flew to NYC between discovering the virus, and putting the ban up.
Also, we didn't know how to treat it at first.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/doctors-how-treating-covid-19-has-changed
"We now have some treatments that are effective against the new coronavirus and fortunately decrease mortality," Dr. Russo said.
"Previously the world round death rate was like 1.5%, now we're talking about less than 1`%," Dr. Sethi said.
Doctors now use two drugs to treat COVID-19 patients.
"The first treatment is an anti-viral drug called Remdesivir. Although that doesn't decrease mortality, it does decrease the number of days that someone is ill in the hospital. The second drug is a steroid called Dexamethasone. Dexamethasone does decrease mortality significantly," Dr. Russo said.
Doctors are using ventilators differently.
"We try to delay intubation and putting them on a ventilator as much as possible. We try to maintain their oxigenization other ways," Dr. Sethi said.
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This all makes a lot of sense.
There was a lot of noise initially that NY was increasing numbers, so interesting to see this article from OP saying the opposite.
I 100% believe the virus is real. I’m pretty scared and lucky enough to work from home.
Ugh. I just want to this all be over. The new strains are concerning, I’ve been trying to learn more about them.
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Mrs213
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
This is what I was wondering too. All these "reports" that the hospitals were putting covid when it was not the reason hutnit turns out deaths were under reported. Is it believed it was intentional or a an error? What would be the benefit of lying about these figures...6
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PitterPatter11
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by Mrs213
This is what I was wondering too. All these "reports" that the hospitals were putting covid when it was not the reason hutnit turns out deaths were under reported. Is it believed it was intentional or a an error? What would be the benefit of lying about these figures...6
From what I have read, these nursing home deaths are accounted for in NYS' current data. They are listed as deaths, which occurred in the hospital instead of being attributed to the nursing home.
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Momma2015
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
Yes, NY- in Queens. Which is why I never bought into this writing off all deaths as Covid and inflating numbers.
ETA: I also lost my father in August (esophageal cancer) and Covid was most definitely NOT listed as cause of death.
Yeah 2020 was a real winner of a year for me. 
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JennP
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
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Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
Yes, NY- in Queens. Which is why I never bought into this writing off all deaths as Covid and inflating numbers.
ETA: I also lost my father in August (esophageal cancer) and Covid was most definitely NOT listed as cause of death.
Yeah 2020 was a real winner of a year for me.
OMG I am so sorry for your losses.
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Momma2015
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by JennP
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Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
Yes, NY- in Queens. Which is why I never bought into this writing off all deaths as Covid and inflating numbers.
ETA: I also lost my father in August (esophageal cancer) and Covid was most definitely NOT listed as cause of death.
Yeah 2020 was a real winner of a year for me.
OMG I am so sorry for your losses.
Thanks! Here's hoping for better things in 2021.  Should've bought some GameStop stock!
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Posted by queensgal
Posted by Momma2015
I am not surprised. My grandmother was in a nursing home (dementia, but otherwise very healthy) and died April 1st at the age of 96 from Covid, but Covid was not listed as a cause of death on her death certificate.
Sorry for your loss.
Was she in NYC? Just curious.
Anecdotally someone told me NYC was just declaring all deaths covid (even with no test) and that’s why NY was so much higher than other areas. So this investigation contradicts that - not surprised just interesting. It was strange how many deaths NY reported compared to positive test cases and why was it sooo much higher than anywhere else?
It’s hard to know what to believe anymore. honestly. I’m just going to stay home, wear a mask and hope for a vaccine soon.
The "declaring all deaths Covid" was debunked early on.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/debunking-the-false-claim-that-covid-death-counts-are-inflated1/
NY infection and death rate was so high because we were hit first. Most people who come from Europe land in NYC. There were 3 million people from Europe that flew to NYC between discovering the virus, and putting the ban up.
Also, we didn't know how to treat it at first.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/doctors-how-treating-covid-19-has-changed
"We now have some treatments that are effective against the new coronavirus and fortunately decrease mortality," Dr. Russo said.
"Previously the world round death rate was like 1.5%, now we're talking about less than 1`%," Dr. Sethi said.
Doctors now use two drugs to treat COVID-19 patients.
"The first treatment is an anti-viral drug called Remdesivir. Although that doesn't decrease mortality, it does decrease the number of days that someone is ill in the hospital. The second drug is a steroid called Dexamethasone. Dexamethasone does decrease mortality significantly," Dr. Russo said.
Doctors are using ventilators differently.
"We try to delay intubation and putting them on a ventilator as much as possible. We try to maintain their oxigenization other ways," Dr. Sethi said.
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I work in an industry where I deal with death certificates. I can say with absolute certainty that "all deaths were declared covid" is not the case. In fact, I bet the actual numbers of people who passed away from covid is higher than we know as a huge number of people died at home and were never tested.
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ali120206
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
NYC had increased its COVID numbers to add those that they "presumed" died from Covid, died at home, and were never tested. So yes, the numbers may have been inflated. Except the numbers that make Cuomo (and his emmy) look bad.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html
ETA - this is a small number in the grand scheme of things but I didn't have time to search through more articles but I had remembered it happening.
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Mrs213
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by Mrs213
This is what I was wondering too. All these "reports" that the hospitals were putting covid when it was not the reason hutnit turns out deaths were under reported. Is it believed it was intentional or a an error? What would be the benefit of lying about these figures...6
From what I have read, these nursing home deaths are accounted for in NYS' current data. They are listed as deaths, which occurred in the hospital instead of being attributed to the nursing home.
So it is just misreported information bc they are saying they died, but in hospital as opposed to nursing home? But overall numbers of deaths is generally correct?
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Re: NYS underreport nursing home deaths
Posted by ali120206
NYC had increased its COVID numbers to add those that they "presumed" died from Covid, died at home, and were never tested. So yes, the numbers may have been inflated. Except the numbers that make Cuomo (and his emmy) look bad.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html
ETA - this is a small number in the grand scheme of things but I didn't have time to search through more articles but I had remembered it happening.
Yes, I remember the same. Actual cases where the reason for death on the death certificate was covid even before lab results were back, or if a person was dying already from a disease, but ended up testing positive por covid, the reason given for dying would be covid instead of the actual disease the person was dying with. I remember seeing lots of these type of cases.
I’m glad this intense investigation is happening and by a Democrat attorney general nonetheless! It’s sickening though how Cuomo is still blaming everybody else but him. The balls of this guy!
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