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Hofstra26
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by MrsWoods
Anyone follow Maksim Chmerkovskiy (dancing with the stars) on Instagram? I know he is stuck in the Ukraine and posts what’s going on. Scary stuff
Yes, I've caught a few of his IG posts.
The whole situation is so terrible.
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by MrsWoods
Anyone follow Maksim Chmerkovskiy (dancing with the stars) on Instagram? I know he is stuck in the Ukraine and posts what’s going on. Scary stuff
I have seen a few but just started following as I think of him a lot when they talk about them getting closer to taking over where he has been. :(
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| Posted 2/27/22 3:36 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by HITOALL
my old user name is sjsm
I never had the password saved on my new computer- i created a new account. to be allowed to comment.
what's the problem?
I remember you. Good to see you back!
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| Posted 2/27/22 6:37 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by HITOALL
A refresher for all those who think Putin never would’ve invaded if Trump were still President.
.b u l l s h i t !!!!
Nobody was softer on Russia than Trump.
Trump spent 4 yrs attacking Ukraine.
Trump laid the groundwork for this invasion.
Putin wanted Trump to win a 2nd term.
Trump repeatedly praised Putin.
Trump hired a pro Russian criminal to run his campaign.
Trump said it was good Russia invaded Crimea.
Trump made the 2016 GOP platform anti-Ukraine.
Trump repeatedly dismissed Russian hacking.
Trump capitalized on Russian meddling in 2016.
Trump denied Russian interference in 2016.
Trump undermined Russian sanctions.
Trump was open to lifting sanctions.
Trump would never say Putin was a killer.
Trump tried to return spy bases to Russia.
Trump gave Russia classified intel.
Trump repeatedly attacked NATO Trump had to be forced into signing new Russian sanctions.
Trump pushed for a joint cyber security unit with Russia.
Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats from Russia.
Trump eased sanctions on Putin’s top oligarchs.
Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election.
Trump tried to rescind sanctions on Russia for poisoning a defector.
Trump blocked a US statement condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
Trump repeatedly praised far-right pro Russian leaders in Europe.
Trump refused to condemn Russia’s 2018 attack on Ukraine’s military.
Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Trump pushed to let Russia in the G-7.
Trump gave Syria to Russia.
Trump echoed Russian talking points on ISIS.
Trump spread Russian lies about Ukraine.
Trump froze US aid to Ukraine.
Trump smeared US Ambassador to UkraineTrump tried to visit Putin on Russian soil.
Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid.
Trump invited Putin to 2020 G-7 Summit.
Trump ordered CIA to share Intel with Russia.
Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties on our soldiers.
Trump called Russian bounty story a “hoax.
Trump never raised Russian bounties with Putin.
Trump ordered US troops out of Germany.
It’s as if Trump worked for Putin.
AND IM sure I missed ALOT!
Who gives a shit what Trump did or didn't do. He is not in office. Biden is and whatever happens now is on his administration.
I would normally agree or at least agree with the general logic behind this. But not with what he did. There are too many actions Trump took from which you can draw a direct line to Putin's action here. Sorry not sorry, they can't be ignored. Zelensky was on the other end of the 7/25 phone call during which Trump threatened to withhold aid if Zelensky didn't provide dirt on Biden. This was the subject of the first impeachment. It was a level of corruption nearly unparalleled and he should be in prison. If that didn't happen Ukraine would have had greater military capabilities, Putin would have perceived it differently, and we wouldn't be where we are today.
Obviously it's now on Biden to fix this. I was unsure at first but I actually think he is doing a great job. He is the main leader of a newly unified effort in favor of democracy and his negotiating skills and relationships went a long way towards getting Germany to nix the pipeline, give weapons, etc.
I know the above statement will be met with mocking, nastiness, and sarcasm (not referring to you Karenk122 or at least I don't think so lol) but flame away. Sometimes true leadership looks like quiet diplomacy behind the scenes instead of a nasty word, isolationist front, or an overture to a dictator.
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| Posted 2/27/22 6:50 PM |
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KarenK122
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by JennP
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by HITOALL
A refresher for all those who think Putin never would’ve invaded if Trump were still President.
.b u l l s h i t !!!!
Nobody was softer on Russia than Trump.
Trump spent 4 yrs attacking Ukraine.
Trump laid the groundwork for this invasion.
Putin wanted Trump to win a 2nd term.
Trump repeatedly praised Putin.
Trump hired a pro Russian criminal to run his campaign.
Trump said it was good Russia invaded Crimea.
Trump made the 2016 GOP platform anti-Ukraine.
Trump repeatedly dismissed Russian hacking.
Trump capitalized on Russian meddling in 2016.
Trump denied Russian interference in 2016.
Trump undermined Russian sanctions.
Trump was open to lifting sanctions.
Trump would never say Putin was a killer.
Trump tried to return spy bases to Russia.
Trump gave Russia classified intel.
Trump repeatedly attacked NATO Trump had to be forced into signing new Russian sanctions.
Trump pushed for a joint cyber security unit with Russia.
Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats from Russia.
Trump eased sanctions on Putin’s top oligarchs.
Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election.
Trump tried to rescind sanctions on Russia for poisoning a defector.
Trump blocked a US statement condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
Trump repeatedly praised far-right pro Russian leaders in Europe.
Trump refused to condemn Russia’s 2018 attack on Ukraine’s military.
Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Trump pushed to let Russia in the G-7.
Trump gave Syria to Russia.
Trump echoed Russian talking points on ISIS.
Trump spread Russian lies about Ukraine.
Trump froze US aid to Ukraine.
Trump smeared US Ambassador to UkraineTrump tried to visit Putin on Russian soil.
Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid.
Trump invited Putin to 2020 G-7 Summit.
Trump ordered CIA to share Intel with Russia.
Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties on our soldiers.
Trump called Russian bounty story a “hoax.
Trump never raised Russian bounties with Putin.
Trump ordered US troops out of Germany.
It’s as if Trump worked for Putin.
AND IM sure I missed ALOT!
Who gives a shit what Trump did or didn't do. He is not in office. Biden is and whatever happens now is on his administration.
I would normally agree or at least agree with the general logic behind this. But not with what he did. There are too many actions Trump took from which you can draw a direct line to Putin's action here. Sorry not sorry, they can't be ignored. Zelensky was on the other end of the 7/25 phone call during which Trump threatened to withhold aid if Zelensky didn't provide dirt on Biden. This was the subject of the first impeachment. It was a level of corruption nearly unparalleled and he should be in prison. If that didn't happen Ukraine would have had greater military capabilities, Putin would have perceived it differently, and we wouldn't be where we are today.
Obviously it's now on Biden to fix this. I was unsure at first but I actually think he is doing a great job. He is the main leader of a newly unified effort in favor of democracy and his negotiating skills and relationships went a long way towards getting Germany to nix the pipeline, give weapons, etc.
I know the above statement will be met with mocking, nastiness, and sarcasm (not referring to you Karenk122 or at least I don't think so lol) but flame away. Sometimes true leadership looks like quiet diplomacy behind the scenes instead of a nasty word, isolationist front, or an overture to a dictator.
I'm too tired to mock tonight lol...don't worry : ). My point was not that Trump didn't do anything wrong but with every Presidency you look at, none were perfect in dealing with Russia. Blaming what was done or wasn't done in the past does not fix what is happening now. I'm just tired of the blame game (and not just with this topic)
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| Posted 2/27/22 7:09 PM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by JennP
I would normally agree or at least agree with the general logic behind this. But not with what he did. There are too many actions Trump took from which you can draw a direct line to Putin's action here. Sorry not sorry, they can't be ignored. Zelensky was on the other end of the 7/25 phone call during which Trump threatened to withhold aid if Zelensky didn't provide dirt on Biden. This was the subject of the first impeachment. It was a level of corruption nearly unparalleled and he should be in prison. If that didn't happen Ukraine would have had greater military capabilities, Putin would have perceived it differently, and we wouldn't be where we are today.
Obviously it's now on Biden to fix this. I was unsure at first but I actually think he is doing a great job. He is the main leader of a newly unified effort in favor of democracy and his negotiating skills and relationships went a long way towards getting Germany to nix the pipeline, give weapons, etc.
I know the above statement will be met with mocking, nastiness, and sarcasm (not referring to you Karenk122 or at least I don't think so lol) but flame away. Sometimes true leadership looks like quiet diplomacy behind the scenes instead of a nasty word, isolationist front, or an overture to a dictator.
I'm too tired to mock tonight lol...don't worry : ). My point was not that Trump didn't do anything wrong but with every Presidency you look at, none were perfect in dealing with Russia. Blaming what was done or wasn't done in the past does not fix what is happening now. I'm just tired of the blame game (and not just with this topic)
You’re right in that blaming administrations past and present doesn’t help the situation now. I know, at least for me, looking at at all the causes just helps me to understand better. I think that is just human nature.
That being said, Biden did help Germany to get its act together. I don’t know what they were thinking. Well, I know what they were thinking (on-going energy crisis), but that was short-sighted.
So what’s the outcome?
Fast track Ukraine into NATO? That will piss Putin off as he so desperately wants that NATO buffer. But then what’s next? Belarus? He has threatened Finland and that’s not cool as it’s part of the EU. I’m not even sure of the logistics of a fast track really.
Will the sanctions work? Or will he burn Ukraine down to the ground?
Perhaps there will be a political coup and someone will oust Putin out of power?
Or is he just going to go nuclear (literally)? This option frightens me for obvious reasons.
I read someone who was in KGB “school” with Putin, and he remembered Putin saying that as a young child while trying to catch a rat, he learned that you always have to strike first to win.
Is this Putin’s hill to die on? He really needs to be stopped before he goes further.
Message edited 2/28/2022 7:53:31 AM.
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by JennP
I would normally agree or at least agree with the general logic behind this. But not with what he did. There are too many actions Trump took from which you can draw a direct line to Putin's action here. Sorry not sorry, they can't be ignored. Zelensky was on the other end of the 7/25 phone call during which Trump threatened to withhold aid if Zelensky didn't provide dirt on Biden. This was the subject of the first impeachment. It was a level of corruption nearly unparalleled and he should be in prison. If that didn't happen Ukraine would have had greater military capabilities, Putin would have perceived it differently, and we wouldn't be where we are today.
Obviously it's now on Biden to fix this. I was unsure at first but I actually think he is doing a great job. He is the main leader of a newly unified effort in favor of democracy and his negotiating skills and relationships went a long way towards getting Germany to nix the pipeline, give weapons, etc.
I know the above statement will be met with mocking, nastiness, and sarcasm (not referring to you Karenk122 or at least I don't think so lol) but flame away. Sometimes true leadership looks like quiet diplomacy behind the scenes instead of a nasty word, isolationist front, or an overture to a dictator.
I'm too tired to mock tonight lol...don't worry : ). My point was not that Trump didn't do anything wrong but with every Presidency you look at, none were perfect in dealing with Russia. Blaming what was done or wasn't done in the past does not fix what is happening now. I'm just tired of the blame game (and not just with this topic)
You’re right in that blaming administrations past and present doesn’t help the situation now. I know, at least for me, looking at at all the causes just helps me to understand better. I think that is just human nature.
That being said, Biden did help Germany to get its act together. I don’t know what they were thinking. Well, I know what they were thinking (on-going energy crisis), but that was short-sighted.
So what’s the outcome?
Fast track Ukraine into NATO? That will piss Putin off as he so desperately wants that NATO buffer. But then what’s next? Belarus? He has threatened Finland and that’s not cool as it’s part of the EU. I’m not even sure of the logistics of a fast track really.
Will the sanctions work? Or will he burn Ukraine down to the ground?
Perhaps there will be a political coup and someone will oust Putin out of power?
Or is he just going to go nuclear (literally)? This option frightens me for obvious reasons.
I read someone who was in KGB “school” with Putin, and he remembered Putin saying that as a young child while trying to catch a rat, he learned that you always have to strike first to win.
Is this Putin’s hill to die on? He really needs to be stopped before he goes further.
"Is this Putin’s hill to die on? He really needs to be stopped before he goes further.
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THIS and it is nice to see that Ukraine is fighting back so hard that I bet it is surprising him.
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TTCwithHope
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
I am in compete awe of the Ukrainian people. I have heard the stories from stateside Ukrainians of what their loved ones are going through. Incredible proud and loyal people. It truly puts things in perspective and highlights the petulant childishness that goes on in our country, all a matter of privilege. Putins war is a war against democracy and western values, against the wide support of their democratic leader President Zelensky and likelihood that he would escort Ukraine into NATO, Putins desire to return Russia to the Soviet power of the USSR. This would have happened imminently regardless of our President.
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| Posted 2/28/22 11:19 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by TTCwithHope
I am in compete awe of the Ukrainian people. I have heard the stories from stateside Ukrainians of what their loved ones are going through. Incredible proud and loyal people. It truly puts things in perspective and highlights the petulant childishness that goes on in our country, all a matter of privilege. Putins war is a war against democracy and western values, against the wide support of their democratic leader President Zelensky and likelihood that he would escort Ukraine into NATO, Putins desire to return Russia to the Soviet power of the USSR. This would have happened imminently regardless of our President.
Well said!
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Mrs213
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Re: Quiet today with Turmoil happening in this World
Posted by TTCwithHope
I am in compete awe of the Ukrainian people. I have heard the stories from stateside Ukrainians of what their loved ones are going through. Incredible proud and loyal people. It truly puts things in perspective and highlights the petulant childishness that goes on in our country, all a matter of privilege. Putins war is a war against democracy and western values, against the wide support of their democratic leader President Zelensky and likelihood that he would escort Ukraine into NATO, Putins desire to return Russia to the Soviet power of the USSR. This would have happened imminently regardless of our President.
Absolutely I agree. We are very spoiled here when you look at what goes on in the rest of the world...
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