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DjPiLL
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I love to read articles like this
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Long story short... the Yanks are annoyed at the Texas Rangers because Buck Showalter (the Texas Manager)... pulled all his major starters in the last game against Anahiem after the 3rd inning with the Rangers winning 3-1.
The Angels came back to win the game... and ended up with a tied record which gave them home field advantage against the Yanks in the 1st round.
The Yanks can be annoyed all they want... but the Yanks are guilty FOR THE EXACT SAME THING. They are just as guilty for not starting their "Best Players Available" because they wanted to save Moose for game one of the playoffs. :rollsyes: :rollsyes: :rollsyes: :rollsyes:
If the game was so important... they should have went with Mussina instead of Jaret "Light Me Up" Wright. 
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I'd be upset to. The Yankees knew they were in the playoffs and had to plan ahead. Texas was not in the playoffs and had no need to pull their starters. Buck had absolutely NO reason to pull the starters in the LAST game of the season, except out of spite. Plus, Mussina's arm is a tad tired and they wanted to give him the extra rest. Putting him out there injured wouldn't have helped!! I don't think it was the EXACT same thing, the Rangers had a totally different motive for doing what they did!!!
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| Posted 10/4/05 8:50 AM |
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dengal
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If the Yanks won their game on Sunday, they wouldn't have to worry about making the trip west.
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| Posted 10/4/05 8:56 AM |
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FeliciaDP
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Buck had absolutely NO reason to pull the starters in the LAST game of the season, except out of spite.
I don't think it was the EXACT same thing, the Rangers had a totally different motive for doing what they did!!!
Wholeheartedly agree with these two points. I think comparing what the Rangers did and what the Yankees did are two entirely different scenarios
SURE the Yankees should have won the last game vs. the Sox .. but they didn't. Oh well, they'll have to deal with THEIR OWN consequences. The difference here is that the YANKEES did what they did in an attempt to set things up for the coming week... to 'try' and control their own destiny (to a point anyhow, they could have only done so much even if they DID win that game) We can debate forever whether Torre resting Mussina was the best way to handle that last game.. maybe a smart move, maybe not... but in the end it doesn't matter, the Yankees lost. THEIR problem, their fault - whatever you want to call it.
BUT this is NOT the same thing as Showalter pulling out his A-TEAM against the Angels, knowing that if the Angels won and BEAT his team (and the Yanks lost to Boston) that the Yankees would lose home field advantage  Showlater knows his stats even better than you Rich  He knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
Why else in hell would he do that?? (to screw the Yankees of course!) ANY other manager would try to go out as a winner, even if their team s*cked all year. There was no reason to "rest" his good players on THE LAST DAY OF THEIR SEASON... He did it purely to screw the Yankees chances for home field advantage.
And the reason Rich (and I'm sure a LOT of other Yankee-haters out there) likes the story so much is because it happened to those EVIL YANKEES
Need I remind you that there is a lot of history between the Yankees and Showalter.. AND also Showlater and ARod cannot stand each other, from their time together on the Rangers..so that is also partly why ARod came out so strongly against what Showalter did, in his comments to the press. Yeah he probably should have kept his mouth shut but I think I'd feel the EXACT same way the Yankees do.
Is this ALL coincidence? Did Bucky pull his team out 'just because; I think NOT
But that's OK Rich... you are entitled to your opinon.. Those bad bad Yankees ALWAYS do what every other team does out there..... those bad bad Yankees would have done the SAME thing if they were in the Rangers shoes.
Now I am waiting for some statisitcs to back your claims up
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DjPiLL
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Posted by FeliciaDP
Now I am waiting for some statisitcs to back your claims up
The only statistic needed is Buck pulled his A-players AFTER he had the lead. It wasn't like he started the game period.
But regardless... the Yanks can't ***** about another team not putting their "a-team" forward when the Yanks themselves are just as GUILTY for not putting their 'a-pitcher' forward.
In fact it makes even MORE SENSE for a team like the Rangers to not start their best players in a meaningless game. What if Texiera gets injured trying to slide into second and tears his ACL? The Texas media would have Buck's HEAD.
I am not going to say that Buck didn't want to "stick it" to the Yanks. I am not stupid. I am sure he did. But he did have a 3-1 lead when he did it.
And like I said... the yanks can't cry because they are just as guilty.
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Buck can do whatever he wants, there is no rule book that says he can't do what he did Now if Torre did what buck did then it would be justified cuz the yankees can't do wrong.
Not the darlings of New York...
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Buck can do whatever he wants, there is no rule book that says he can't do what he did Now if Torre did what buck did then it would be justified cuz the yankees can't do wrong.
Not the darlings of New York...
you are Such a WEIRDO. 
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Kierasmom
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I don't think the Yankees can blame Buck for them not getting home field. It was theirs for the taking. Torre made the decision that setting up his rotation was more important then home field advantage and more important than the possibility of knocking out Boston. I happen to agree with him. Home field did not help them at all in the last couple of years (last year is a perfect example). The Yankees beating Boston would not have guaranteed Boston getting knocked out of the playoffs and it would not even guarantee a playoff game on Monday. So I happen to agree with them not wanting to waste their good pitchers.
But I do think it's very strange and questionable as to why the players were removed in the 3rd inning? The 3rd inning? Buck said he wanted his players to get an ovation? They would get that in the 6th and 7th inning also.
I also don't think it's the same situation here with the Yankees and the rangers. The Yankees were resting their players to get ready for the playoffs. What was Buck resting his players for? And I can understand the comment of if one of his A players got injured people would say why were they in a game that doesn't matter. But then I have to ask well why would any team put in their A players once they are eliminated from the playoffs. Why risk the future of the team for games that don't matter? The answer is because you want to go out with wins. Ask the Rangers fans if it meant more to them to give an "ovation" to the important players or if they would have rathered beat a team that's going to the playoffs. As a fan I go to the game to see my team win and to see the good players play. Not to see my team blow a 4-1 lead. Get real here Buck.
Now let me ask this, why did Pedro not start his last start of the season? The Mets were still mathematically in the running (I'll give you it was very difficult, but they were not eliminated yet) and they were playing the Phillies, a team that was making a run for the playoffs. So why didn't they throw their best out there? Pedro didn't want to pitch so he didn't. Why isn't this an issue? As far as I know he wasn't injured. I know they say he was tired. But come on here. You ace can't be tired with a week left in the season.
Bottom line for me...I agree with Joe's decision. Mussina has been injured all season. You want him to pitch early in the playoffs so he has the most time to rest. You also want to give Wright one more test (which he failed and is now not even on the postseason roster). Beating Boston would have given them h/f , but Joe has never really cared about that. And if you look at the last couple of years you can see his point. H/f is nice, but not at the risk of your pitchers.
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Kierasmom
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Posted by bedda26
Buck can do whatever he wants, there is no rule book that says he can't do what he did Now if Torre did what buck did then it would be justified cuz the yankees can't do wrong.
Not the darlings of New York...
Nice to add something informative to the conversation here.
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DjPiLL
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Now let me ask this, why did Pedro not start his last start of the season? The Mets were still mathematically in the running (I'll give you it was very difficult, but they were not eliminated yet) and they were playing the Phillies, a team that was making a run for the playoffs. So why didn't they throw their best out there? Pedro didn't want to pitch so he didn't. Why isn't this an issue? As far as I know he wasn't injured. I know they say he was tired. But come on here. You ace can't be tired with a week left in the season.
They shut Pedro down for the last few weeks of the season. Not just his last start.
They did this because they didn't want to risk him getting injured.
You could say the same reasoning was used by Showalter.
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| Posted 10/4/05 11:19 PM |
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Kierasmom
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Now let me ask this, why did Pedro not start his last start of the season? The Mets were still mathematically in the running (I'll give you it was very difficult, but they were not eliminated yet) and they were playing the Phillies, a team that was making a run for the playoffs. So why didn't they throw their best out there? Pedro didn't want to pitch so he didn't. Why isn't this an issue? As far as I know he wasn't injured. I know they say he was tired. But come on here. You ace can't be tired with a week left in the season.
They shut Pedro down for the last few weeks of the season. Not just his last start.
They did this because they didn't want to risk him getting injured.
You could say the same reasoning was used by Showalter.
Actually I do believe it was only his last start that he missed. He last pitched Sept. 22 which means that he should have pitched again on the 27th, or 28th depending on how many men were in the rotation.
I don't think Showalter did the same thing at all as Young, Soriano, Blalock and Teixeira all played every game and then for some reason they were taken out for the last couple of innings of the last home game of the season. You can't tell me that's to prevent them from getting injured.
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| Posted 10/4/05 11:31 PM |
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DjPiLL
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Yeah but people pull their starters mid-game all the time.
He probably did it out of spite... but again i am not argueing that. We will never know.
I am merely saying that A-Rod is out of line to critisize this... when the yanks did the exact same thing.
But its all a moot point now cause it looks like the move paid off as the Yanks won today.
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| Posted 10/5/05 1:50 AM |
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Kierasmom
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Mid game is not the 3rd inning though.
And I don't agree that the Yankees did the same thing. The Yankees rested their players to get ready for the playoffs. That's different. If the tables were turned and this happened to the Mets I'm sure you'd be seeing it differently.
I think we just have to agree to disagree here.
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