question about jobs...

let's face it, rules are broken and exceptions are made EVERYWHERE in the world. The rules and requirements of anything are never written in stone.

Ive seen more rules broken than followed.

Now I can justify my thought process.

and sorry if Im naive about this.

OK, here's the question right to the point.
If I see a leave replacement position for a bilingual teacher, would they consider me if im NOT certified bilingual, but I AM bilingual and more than capable of teaching the classes.

I mean is it more important that they flll a spot with someone that has the degree than not find someone and have to deal with classes sitting with a sub or whatever the solution is when there's no one hired for a leave replacement ?

I hope that made sense. and like I mentioned before someone in a middle school (head of FL Dept told me to get certified and go back for a job, but why wouldnt they hire someone that they saw potential in and have a written agreement that this person will get the credits needed as they teach.

(isnt that the case anyway, that teachers can have X amount to finish a degree?)

sorry for my scattered thoughts.
any advice is appreciated.


also, will a SD hire a SpEd teacher if the degree is in progress ? (Im cerfified but not sure what to get additional credits in, language or Sp Ed.)

Message edited 9/21/2007 1:52:39 PM.

Re: questio n about jobs...

I would definately apply for the bilingual job. That is a much needed field to fill. They could possible hire you and assist you financially in getting your bilingual degree. Doesn't hurt to try. Good luck.

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I would definitely apply, you have nothing to lose.

But - if the position is specifically for a bilingual teacher, I think you need the certification. No Child Left Behind requires you to be "highly qualified" to teach, and without the certificate, you wouldn't be. Legally you can only teach up to 1/5 out of your certification area (that's how I always get 1 6th grade class, even though my license is 7-12).

Now, if the ad just said "bilingual preferred" you would be good to go.

Definitely apply anyway, because we had a similar situation in my district with another extension. They posted the job in-district, no one had the certification. They posted it externally and couldn't find anyone. A few weeks passed and they posted it again - this time saying that the candidate had to be willing to complete the certificate in xx amount of time. If they liked you and couldn't find anyone at the present time with the proper certification, they might come back to you and work out a deal.

Hope that made sense! It's been a long week!!!

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thanks for the feeback ladies!

I actually contacted the school's language office directly (sometimes I get rather brazen )

The Chair was VERY interested, and said I can start as a language sub and we can work from there. Unfortunately the requirement for the certification is there. she was more anxious than me about my potential with two languages.

Im also going to look into other schools to see if any would work out a deal, you never know!

thanks again !

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you will need proper certification for both jobs. it's the law.

i know i am physically and mentally capable of teaching high school math, and would LOVE to do it, but would never be able to get a job without getting my extension. so i tutor in that area, but can't actually teach it. it would be the same with being bilingual, and teaching bilingual

if it's a TESOL position, you do NOT have to speak a second language for that.

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I almost reposted this question

but since I did a search and saw that I posted it before..

my question still stands

what does a district do if they need a leave replacement and cant find one ??

theyd rather have in and out subs than find someone "qualified without the paper in hand" (bilingual but not certified)...

Im just curious as to what they do when they truly cant find anyone ?

Re: question about jobs...

Posted by anna

I almost reposted this question

but since I did a search and saw that I posted it before..

my question still stands

what does a district do if they need a leave replacement and cant find one ??

theyd rather have in and out subs than find someone "qualified without the paper in hand" (bilingual but not certified)...

Im just curious as to what they do when they truly cant find anyone ?

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I don't think legally they can hire someone full-time who does not have the proper certification.

My district does 1 of 2 things -

~ has other teachers cover the classes while the interview process continues

~ slightly better - they take the certified teachers who teach in that area, take away their duty period, and have them teach those extra classes.

Anna, you do realize in the time since you originally posted this, you probably could have gotten certified



ETA: Like the PP also said, bilingual and ELL are not related. ELL classes are taught in English, so the fact that you are bilingual is irrelevant to the position. There is a whole methodology around teaching English Language Learners that has nothing to do with speaking their first language.

Message edited 1/31/2008 4:31:16 PM.

Re: question about jobs...

Posted by anna

I almost reposted this question

but since I did a search and saw that I posted it before..

my question still stands

what does a district do if they need a leave replacement and cant find one ??

theyd rather have in and out subs than find someone "qualified without the paper in hand" (bilingual but not certified)...

Im just curious as to what they do when they truly cant find anyone ?

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it also depends on the need of the district. for example, my DH is a teacher in NYC... he is teaching under the Fellows program and is working under a conditional license... he is not certified and has only begun his Mastesr in ED. to get his certficate.... NYC has the Fellows program because they do not have enough applicants in higher need areas like bilingual, science and math.

Districts on LI or other "easy to staff" districts will not hire you without the certificate because they can easily find someone that does have it.

hope this makes sense... in terms of the bilingual position, i would imagine they would hire you under the condition that you will get the other certificate needed. for special ed. doubtful they would hire you as that is an extermely common certification,

GOOD LUCK!

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Posted by Karen
Anna, you do realize in the time since you originally posted this, you probably could have gotten certified

Message edited 1/31/2008 11:31:34 PM.