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MsSissy
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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Flight attendants decry allowing knives back aboard flights as dangerous for them and for passengers.

Box cutters would still be banned
It's the first time small knives will be allowed in passenger cabins since 9/11
The decision fits with TSA's move to more 'risk-based' screening
The Transportation Security Administration will allow travelers to bring small knives, golf clubs and hockey sticks into airline cabins for the first time since 2001, TSA chief John Pistole announced Tuesday.

The change, intended to conform with international rules, will take effect April 25. The announcement came as Pistole spoke to a security conference in New York, and marks the first big loosening of restrictions for carry-on items since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Pistole stressed the importance of risk-based screening, to focus on the biggest threats to aircraft rather than holding everyone to the same security standard.

"The focus is on what could present catastrophic damage to the aircraft," said David Castelveter, a TSA spokesman.

Security experts such as Kip Hawley, the former head of TSA under former president George W. Bush, have long advocated a less detailed screening of passengers at airport checkpoints, because the hardening of cockpit doors would prevent a terrorist from gaining control of a plane as hijackers did on 9/11.

Razor blades and box cutters, such as those the hijackers used, would still be prohibited.

"There's still an emotional attachment to that matter," Castelveter said.

But the items that will be allowed will more closely match standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organization, according to the TSA. The following items will now be allowed:

Knives without a molded grip and with blades that don't lock and are less than 6 centimeters or 2.36 inches.
Novelty-size and toy bats less than 24 inches long and weighing less than 24 ounces.
Billiard cues, ski poles, hockey and lacrosse sticks, and two golf clubs as part of carry-on baggage.
"This is part of an overall risk-based security approach, which allows transportation security officers to better focus their efforts on finding higher-threat items such as explosives," the TSA said in a statement.

The expansion of what is allowed on the plane follows earlier decisions to allow cigarette lighters and fingernail clippers. But the bulk of restricted items in carry-on luggage, such as liquids in containers larger than 3.4 ounces, remains unchanged. The prohibited items are listed at www.TSA.gov.

"We continually assess the threat associated with aviation travel, and where we can rely on the other layers of risk-based security," said Castelveter, referring to some pilots armed with guns, armed air marshals who fly undercover, and flight attendants trained in self defense.

But flight attendants blasted the change in policy for endangering passengers and crew members outside the cockpit.

The Flight Attendants Union Coalition, representing nearly 90,000 flight attendants at carriers nationwide, blasted the decision.

"Today's announcement to permit knives back into the aircraft cabin is a poor and shortsighted decision by the TSA," the group said in a statement. "As the last line of defense in the cabin and key aviation partners, we believe that these proposed changes will further endanger the lives of all flight attendants and the passengers we work so hard to keep safe and secure."

Stacy Martin, president of Southwest Airlines' flight-attendants union, Transport Workers Union of America Local 556, called the decision "outrageous."

"This policy was designed to make the lives of TSA staff easier, but not make flights safer," Martin says. "While we agree that a passenger wielding a small knife or swinging a golf club or hockey stick poses less of a threat to the pilot locked in the cockpit, these are real threats to passengers and flight attendants in the passenger cabin."


"Razor blades and box cutters, such as those the hijackers used, would still be prohibited."

OK so now they will just use pocketknives.


And yet we still can't bring full sized shampoo and conditioner. Chat Icon

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Posted 3/5/13 4:48 PM
 
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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by MsSissy


"Razor blades and box cutters, such as those the hijackers used, would still be prohibited."

OK so now they will just use pocketknives.


And yet we still can't bring full sized shampoo and conditioner. Chat Icon

Link to story



That's just ridiculous. Chat Icon

such as liquids in containers larger than 3.4 ounces, remains unchanged. The prohibited items are listed at www.TSA.gov.

So pocketknives are allowed, but a bottle of water isn't? A cup of coffee? I'm baffled.

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Posted 3/5/13 4:50 PM
 

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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

When can I leave my shoes on???????

Posted 3/5/13 4:52 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by Katareen

When can I leave my shoes on???????



Yeah, I thought about this too.

Stupid!

Posted 3/5/13 4:55 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

What possible reason would any sane person have to NEED a pocket knife on a plane?

Posted 3/5/13 5:01 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by Jenn627

What possible reason would any sane person have to NEED a pocket knife on a plane?




Yeah, with the exception of snakes on a plane...I mean, what the hell, man?...

Posted 3/5/13 5:06 PM
 

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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Ridiculous. And yet my flip flops pose a problem. Assholes.

Posted 3/5/13 5:56 PM
 

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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

This is horsehit. Didn't a box cutter pretty much cause 9/11?

Posted 3/5/13 5:57 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by PearlJamChick

Posted by Jenn627

What possible reason would any sane person have to NEED a pocket knife on a plane?




Yeah, with the exception of snakes on a plane...I mean, what the hell, man?...



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Posted 3/5/13 6:47 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

My friend got patted down & like frisked at LaGuardia last summer for having a tissue in her pocket. They said it looked suspicious.... but apparently if she had pulled a knife out instead of a tissue she would've been allowed right thru Chat Icon I get these knives may not endanger those in the cockpit but really what about safety in the cabins?

I love that this goes into effect right before I'm set to fly next.

Posted 3/5/13 7:35 PM
 

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WTF? and i second the shoes! Chat Icon

Posted 3/5/13 7:49 PM
 

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I can't wait until TSA gets disbanded entirely! Useless bureaucracy.

Posted 3/5/13 10:20 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

This is the DUMBEST and STUPIDIST thing ever!! There is no reason that anyone needs a pocket knife on their flight! The terrorists must be reading the paper saying stupid Americans!! I like the fact that I felt safe knowing that no one is allowed any type of knife on board. Now I feel they are jeopordizing our safety and will be scared of the waht ifs!! How can they allow this!!?? SMH!Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

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Posted 3/6/13 7:06 AM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by MsSissy


"Razor blades and box cutters, such as those the hijackers used, would still be prohibited."

OK so now they will just use pocketknives.


And yet we still can't bring full sized shampoo and conditioner. Chat Icon

Link to story



That's just ridiculous. Chat Icon

such as liquids in containers larger than 3.4 ounces, remains unchanged. The prohibited items are listed at www.TSA.gov.

So pocketknives are allowed, but a bottle of water isn't? A cup of coffee? I'm baffled.



I thought you could bring a bottle of water/cup of coffee as long as you purchase it after you go through airport security?

Posted 3/6/13 7:22 AM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by Bearcat

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by MsSissy


"Razor blades and box cutters, such as those the hijackers used, would still be prohibited."

OK so now they will just use pocketknives.


And yet we still can't bring full sized shampoo and conditioner. Chat Icon

Link to story



That's just ridiculous. Chat Icon

such as liquids in containers larger than 3.4 ounces, remains unchanged. The prohibited items are listed at www.TSA.gov.

So pocketknives are allowed, but a bottle of water isn't? A cup of coffee? I'm baffled.



I thought you could bring a bottle of water/cup of coffee as long as you purchase it after you go through airport security?



Yes you can but of course the airports charge like $5 for a lousy bottle of water.

I've never understood some of these rules. For instance, you can't bring a lighter but you can bring matches? Umm...if you can't smoke on a plane anyway, why would you need matches?

Posted 3/6/13 8:13 AM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Will they still be serving food with plastic utensils?

There are any number of rules that TSA has that are ridiculous. I personally don't think this means we will all of a sudden see terrorists hijacking planes with pocketknives but I also don't see the need for anyone to have a pocketknife on a plane. If you're going on a trip where you need a knife (I dunno, bushwacking or something?) - pack it in your luggage.

Posted 3/6/13 8:34 AM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by Bearcat

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by MsSissy


"Razor blades and box cutters, such as those the hijackers used, would still be prohibited."

OK so now they will just use pocketknives.


And yet we still can't bring full sized shampoo and conditioner. Chat Icon

Link to story



That's just ridiculous. Chat Icon

such as liquids in containers larger than 3.4 ounces, remains unchanged. The prohibited items are listed at www.TSA.gov.

So pocketknives are allowed, but a bottle of water isn't? A cup of coffee? I'm baffled.



I thought you could bring a bottle of water/cup of coffee as long as you purchase it after you go through airport security?



You can, I meant through security. They'll confiscate your water or shampoo or other liquid but you can keep the pocketknife?

Posted 3/6/13 10:04 AM
 

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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

They let my FIL bring a small scissor on a plane a few weeks ago. He forgot it was in his carry on and when he went to throw it out they said it was ok. He was pretty upset over that. I think allowing pocket knives is terrible

Posted 3/6/13 12:10 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by MrsMick

This is horsehit. Didn't a box cutter pretty much cause 9/11?



ITA!!!

Posted 3/6/13 12:11 PM
 

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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

well, just be sure to arm yourself when you travel. no sense in being at a disadvantage.

Posted 3/6/13 12:43 PM
 

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TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

I don't know guys. With all this being allowed, I won't feel safe when I travel. Chat Icon

Posted 3/6/13 1:30 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

I dont really see how this makes it easier for the TSA agents at all... I had to throw out my tweezer last year on a business trip- I wonder if the new knives being ok rule would have covered me or that would stilll be banned.

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Posted 3/6/13 1:40 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

I am NOT happy about this. I'm nervous to fly because of crazy people to begin with.

The only positive is that hubby is flying home from Buffalo in June and I guess he can now bring his golf driver on board rather than put it in the travel case. If that thing breaks I'll never hear the end of it.

Posted 3/6/13 1:48 PM
 

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Re: TSA to let pocketknives aboard passenger planes

Posted by PaddysGirl

I am NOT happy about this. I'm nervous to fly because of crazy people to begin with.




Exactly. Plus we'll be flying with our infant in April... You know how people are with babies!!! I guess we'll be arming our own selves with pocket knives. Chat Icon

Posted 3/6/13 1:58 PM
 

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