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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
Single payer System
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
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Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
Single payer System
I know that Hillary/Sanders supporters want a single-payer system, but what about those backing Republican candidates?
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
Single payer System
I know that Hillary/Sanders supporters want a single-payer system, but what about those backing Republican candidates?
Wanted to add...Not always though - many Clinton fans like the affordable health care act and want to see it go further. And some Sanders people want it gone and replaced entirely.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
I was much happier with the way in which healthcare worked prior to obamacare. I would be absolutely fine going back to this, but I unfortunately realize this is no longer a possibility
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
I was much happier with the way in which healthcare worked prior to obamacare. I would be absolutely fine going back to this, but I unfortunately realize this is no longer a possibility
Other than cost, how has your coverage changed? I ask this because premiums skyrocketed years before the ACA and continued at the same pace after the ACA, so it has to be more than cost.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
I was much happier with the way in which healthcare worked prior to obamacare. I would be absolutely fine going back to this, but I unfortunately realize this is no longer a possibility
Other than cost, how has your coverage changed? I ask this because premiums skyrocketed years before the ACA and continued at the same pace after the ACA, so it has to be more than cost.
Aside from the cost (and both my monthly premiums and deductables have skyrocketed since the implementation of Obamacare), here are some issues:
1. I do not believe it is the governments job to interfere with health insurance, but I tend to be someone who supports a more limited central government
2. While it has not directly affected me (yet), many people I know were dropped from their spouse's insurance, and forced to spend a significantly higher amount on insurance than they were on their spouse's plans
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
1. Hillary Clinton is an absolute proven, verifiable liar. She lied about the Irish peace process, her reason for illegally using a personal email server (Which she is under FBI investigation for, ) her vote in favor of the Iraq war and advocated for Syrian intervention. The list goes on. Hillary should be convicted of TREASON.
2. She has openly accepted millions of $$ from foreign governments. While serving as Secretary of State, her foundation illegally accepted shitloads of cash from countries that fund Hamas suppress women, harbor terrorists, and execute anyone in the LGBT community. Conflict of interest representing the democratic party, no?
3. Contrary to what most of her supporters believe, Hillary Clinton does NOT represent the middle class in any shape or form. She is extremely friendly with Wall Street execs, and will be easily influenced by these big wigs. She was married to a President, had a personal chef, a maid, flew around all over the place in her private air polluting personal jet. Chelsea attended private schools her whole life.
4. Hillary Clinton is endorsed by Obama. I need not say more about this.
5. What exactly has she accomplished?
6. She supports Obamacare - You know, the universal healthcare at the expense of the Middle class (you & I) in the form of their insurance premiums skyrocketing, even doubling for some people. It is a total failure, and the media is not reporting just how bad this really is.
7. She is a political opportunist. She takes stances on issues that are convenient at the time , and has been known to flip-flop on many issues.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Again, legitimate question: For those who want to do away with Obamacare, what should replace it?
I was much happier with the way in which healthcare worked prior to obamacare. I would be absolutely fine going back to this, but I unfortunately realize this is no longer a possibility
Other than cost, how has your coverage changed? I ask this because premiums skyrocketed years before the ACA and continued at the same pace after the ACA, so it has to be more than cost.
Aside from the cost (and both my monthly premiums and deductables have skyrocketed since the implementation of Obamacare), here are some issues:
1. I do not believe it is the governments job to interfere with health insurance, but I tend to be someone who supports a more limited central government
2. While it has not directly affected me (yet), many people I know were dropped from their spouse's insurance, and forced to spend a significantly higher amount on insurance than they were on their spouse's plans
1. The government is always involved in healthcare, as it is regulated by the states. The ACA was enacted because the states were relying upon employers to provide adequate coverage. However, since (i) employers weren't doing that, (ii) too many citizens were without affordable coverage, and (iii) the states were not addressing this issue, the feds stepped in.
I agree with the notion of a limited central government, but it doesn't work in many circumstances because the free market will not regulate itself if it affects their bottom line. Thus, the feds usually step in to right the wrongs the free market refuses to address.
2. This is true and it is simply a money grab because most family plans cost the same with or without the spouse, but the insurance cost is increased by including the spouse. I believe it was enacted to ensure that the spouse's employer was not getting a windfall by being relieved of its obligation to pay their share of employee's premium, but, consequently, it then forced the spouse cough up premiums as well.
I don't think the ACA is perfect, but IMHO, I think its better than it was before.
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Why NOT Hillary
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
Can you please explain what this has to do with Hillary?
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
Can you please explain what this has to do with Hillary?
This should help:
Hilary
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Years ago in my early 20's, I was assaulted when I was on vacation outside the country. Hillary had just been elected as our Senator in NY (which baffled me because she wasn't technically IN NY, but that's not a good reason to not vote for her), and the Clintons maintained a home in the country where I was assaulted so my lawyers (and the embassy's officials) thought it was a great idea for me to try to get her attention/support for my case.
I wrote her letters, went to her offices in the city and LI, called her, everything I could do to get her help and to become involved with the case. NOTHING. NO RESPONSE.
Chuck Schumer helped, Steve Israel helped, my family's reps upstate helped, but no word from Hillary or her team.
My lawyers contacted her office - nothing. My therapists contacted her - nothing.
I won my court case, guy was imprisoned for 10+ years, resort found negligent, etc.
A letter from her office arrived within two weeks of the verdict - saying she was happy to be involved in such a positive outcome from such a terrible crime and anytime I need her help again in the future to feel free to contact her office.
I will not vote for her.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by bpmom
Years ago in my early 20's, I was assaulted when I was on vacation outside the country. Hillary had just been elected as our Senator in NY (which baffled me because she wasn't technically IN NY, but that's not a good reason to not vote for her), and the Clintons maintained a home in the country where I was assaulted so my lawyers (and the embassy's officials) thought it was a great idea for me to try to get her attention/support for my case.
I wrote her letters, went to her offices in the city and LI, called her, everything I could do to get her help and to become involved with the case. NOTHING. NO RESPONSE.
Chuck Schumer helped, Steve Israel helped, my family's reps upstate helped, but no word from Hillary or her team.
My lawyers contacted her office - nothing. My therapists contacted her - nothing.
I won my court case, guy was imprisoned for 10+ years, resort found negligent, etc.
A letter from her office arrived within two weeks of the verdict - saying she was happy to be involved in such a positive outcome from such a terrible crime and anytime I need her help again in the future to feel free to contact her office.
I will not vote for her.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
I actually wasn't aware of this. I can now add this as a reason that I do not support her.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
I actually wasn't aware of this. I can now add this as a reason that I do not support her.
in my opinion it should be a huge issue for everyone. I am glad you now know. It is the number one reason why I would never vote for her.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Leb
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
I actually wasn't aware of this. I can now add this as a reason that I do not support her.
in my opinion it should be a huge issue for everyone. I am glad you now know. It is the number one reason why I would never vote for her.
Has Trump stated where he stands on this issue?
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsMick
Posted by ave1024
Posted by JennP
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Paramount
And to add a PS. If we blame Hillary for Benghazi, then we HAVE to blame GWB for 9-11. He had all the intelligence but failed to act. Its the same thing. And I don't blame GWB for 9-11.
The GOP has made a big deal about the email on her server. Its a non issue. Its overblown because they needed SOMETHING to ding her for.
How can you say the server is not a big deal? For you to say this makes you look oblivious to current security issues.
In today's world of cyber security, for the secretary of state to have her own personal email server in her house is absolutely ridiculous. She even had her domains like clintonemail.com registered TO HER HOUSE which was publicly available for the world to look up. How do we really know that subsequent terrorist attacks that happened in the world weren't a result of information that she had which was intercepted.
And in regards to GWB and 9/11, most people put the blame on Slick Willy Clinton. His eight years destroyed our military and foreign intelligence. Look at all the crap that happened during Clinton's tenure on our home soil. The first WTC bombing. The US Embassy bombing. The USS Cole attack.
So the attacks during Clinton's tenure were his fault, but the attacks during Bush's time were not Bush's fault?
Which is it?
Clinton immediately destroyed our foreign intelligence right when he came into office. He is probably one of the WORST presidents we have ever had regarding national security.
To potentially have his wife in charge during a time that's 100x more dangerous is real scary.
Not to mention the mortgage crisis and banks failing. Thank Clinton for it. Forgot to add- our debt to China? Clinton open the doors to Chinese production.
Many of these comments are about what Bill Clinton did (or didn't do and why you didn't like HIM as our president). So what I'm getting is that a lot of people didn't like Bill Clinton and so will not vote for Hillary. Is that correct?
Most people dismissed Jeb Bush before they knew anything about him because he is a Bush. Same thing if you ask me.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Leb
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
I actually wasn't aware of this. I can now add this as a reason that I do not support her.
in my opinion it should be a huge issue for everyone. I am glad you now know. It is the number one reason why I would never vote for her.
Has Trump stated where he stands on this issue?
He supposedly tweeted something negative about Monsanto but then backtracked and blamed it on an intern.
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Why NOT Hillary
I am on the fence about everyone, but I do not agree with a voucher system for education, which Hillary supports (Trump does also).
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by Leb
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
I actually wasn't aware of this. I can now add this as a reason that I do not support her.
in my opinion it should be a huge issue for everyone. I am glad you now know. It is the number one reason why I would never vote for her.
There is not much scientific evidence to support any of this. If you read scientific journals, you can see a lot of this is surrounded by "toxins."
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Why NOT Hillary
I don't put much weight on the corporate affiliations arguments because everyone has an agenda and then cherry-picks facts that support that agenda (while ignoring everything else). So, the Monsanto and other corporate endorsements don't really phase me. But, that's just me. :)
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by ave1024
Posted by JennP
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Paramount
And to add a PS. If we blame Hillary for Benghazi, then we HAVE to blame GWB for 9-11. He had all the intelligence but failed to act. Its the same thing. And I don't blame GWB for 9-11.
The GOP has made a big deal about the email on her server. Its a non issue. Its overblown because they needed SOMETHING to ding her for.
How can you say the server is not a big deal? For you to say this makes you look oblivious to current security issues.
In today's world of cyber security, for the secretary of state to have her own personal email server in her house is absolutely ridiculous. She even had her domains like clintonemail.com registered TO HER HOUSE which was publicly available for the world to look up. How do we really know that subsequent terrorist attacks that happened in the world weren't a result of information that she had which was intercepted.
And in regards to GWB and 9/11, most people put the blame on Slick Willy Clinton. His eight years destroyed our military and foreign intelligence. Look at all the crap that happened during Clinton's tenure on our home soil. The first WTC bombing. The US Embassy bombing. The USS Cole attack.
So the attacks during Clinton's tenure were his fault, but the attacks during Bush's time were not Bush's fault?
Which is it?
Clinton immediately destroyed our foreign intelligence right when he came into office. He is probably one of the WORST presidents we have ever had regarding national security.
To potentially have his wife in charge during a time that's 100x more dangerous is real scary.
Can you explain this position further and be more specific?
I am not particularly interested in defending Clinton (he took several major actions that I disagreed with) but I am curious what you mean by this.
Also, regardless of whatever there is to say about Bill, there is no reason to assume (as others have on these threads as well) that they would automatically take the same positions. Hillary has her own record as Senator and SOS from which to formulate extrapolations, and to ignore this record and assume she will take the positions of her husband frankly reeks of misogyny.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Well, aside from all the reasons already mentioned, she is a supporter of partial birth abortions and late term abortions... I am pro-life/anti-abortion so I wouldn't consider voting for her.
I don't particularly like any of the candidates in this election. I can't imagine myself voting for any of them.
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Re: Why NOT Hillary
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Leb
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Leb
I hate Hillary.
No one is mentioning Monsanto? I am pretty sick of being poisoned 24-7 and it amazes me so few people care that our food source has been tainted probably for life. You want round up - a known carcinogen - put INSIDE your food, so it cannot be washed off because it is now in the foods DNA? And we wonder why everyone is so sick all the time.
I actually wasn't aware of this. I can now add this as a reason that I do not support her.
in my opinion it should be a huge issue for everyone. I am glad you now know. It is the number one reason why I would never vote for her.
There is not much scientific evidence to support any of this. If you read scientific journals, you can see a lot of this is surrounded by "toxins."
Sorry not clear what you mean, are you saying there isn't scientific evidence to show round up isn't a carcinogen? You can buy round up at Home Depot. It's a weed killer. You think that's safe to splice into the DNA of food we are supposed to eat?
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