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Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

Interesting article....



(CNN) -- Thirty-one-year old Jessica Copeland says she knew by the time she was in high school that she never wanted to be a parent.

"It is my decision, and the best decision for my life," said Copeland, a former veterinary technician from Chandler, Texas, now living in Dongducheon, South Korea, with her husband.

"I know who I am and what I want in life, and know without a doubt children do not fit into that equation," she said. "I know that happiness does not have to include 2.5 children, a house in the suburbs and a white picket fence."

Nearly one in five American women now ends her childbearing years without having a child, compared with one in ten in the 1970s, according to recently released U.S. Census data.

The most educated women, those with bachelor's degrees or higher,are among the most likely never to have given birth, according to the Pew Research Center.

Women like Copeland are challenging the idea that happy and fulfilled lives require children. In fact, other studies suggest that having children can have a negative impact on happiness.

"As a group, parents of all types and all socioeconomic levels in the United States report more symptoms of depression and emotional distress than their childless adult counterparts," said Robin Simon, a Wake Forest University sociology professor who researches the association between parenthood and emotional well-being.

Her information is based on a nationally representative study sampling 11,473 Americans. They were picked from all races, socioeconomic backgrounds and educational levels.

Harvard psychology professor Daniel Gilbert's book "Stumbling on Happiness" looked at several studies and found that children give adults many things, but an "increase in daily happiness is probably not among them."

He says that psychologists have found parents are less happy interacting with their kids than doing activities such as eating, watching television or even exercising.

"It's such a counterintuitive finding, because we have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not," said Simon.

"From the outside you see the detrimental effects of what our cultural beliefs cause, yet there is this group of people telling you children are the best thing that will ever happen to you," said Copeland.

Copeland, an army military wife for the past year and a half, said she never felt any pressure to have any kids, and her family has been supportive of her choice.

Outside her inner circle, however, the reception has been different. "The typical reaction I get is of dismay and pity," she noted.

But Copeland, an only child, is far from feeling dismal and finds it ironic that people in her life with children often complain about their lifestyles.

"I always find it interesting how parents complain about their kids, yet follow it with a statement pertaining to how fulfilling their life is," she said. "I have yet to meet a parent that does not have an almost daily story of how their child has stressed them in some way."

Simon says there are other challenges for parents, too. The sociology professor said marital satisfaction decreases after the birth of the first child and continually decreases over time.

Employment retention and earnings suffer for women in the U.S. when they have kids, too, according to research, cited by Jennifer Glass, a professor at the University of Iowa.

"Research shows women in our country often lose out financially and in career advancement once they become a parent -- because the U.S. does not have the type of work policies to properly support families and child care, like other developed nations," said Glass.

Raising a child is expensive, too. According to U.S. government figures, the average cost to raise a child from birth to age 17 is about $222,360 for a child born in 2009 (in 2009 dollars). That includes food, housing, transportation, clothing, health care, education, childcare, and other miscellaneous expenses.

So what do current parents think of this research? It depends on whom you ask, says Simon.

"I've received hate mail in the past from some parents after they've read about the studies, but often find that many parents feel liberated by the research," she said. "Parenting is a very difficult, stressful job, and many people who read the data discover they are not the only ones who feel overwhelmed by the tough work."

Despite these findings, Simon, who is the mother of two grown children, doesn't say Americans should stop having kids and does not have an agenda to stop procreation.

"The take-away from the research (is) that if you are a parent or want to become a parent, understand what you are getting yourself into and be prepared for a lot of hard work, sweat and tears -- even under the best of conditions," she said.

Both Simon and Glass say parents in the U.S. often lack the proper support, child care and assistance to raise a child. They say they'd like to see the government implement and subsidize more "kid-friendly" policies to help families thrive.

Simon and Glass are working on a project to compare the "emotional well-being" of U.S. parents versus parents from 21 other developed countries. They expect parents from countries with greater support systems than the U.S. to fare better, but don't want to make that assumption until their research is complete.

Studies abound on this topic, and a recent one might provide some cheer to parents. Research published in the March issue of the journal Population and Development Review found the more children that parents over age 40 have, the happier they are. They used data from 86 countries for their research.

The authors of this study say as children mature, they require less care and stress for parents -- and can become a source of support for moms and dads.

In the meantime, Copeland says her marriage to her best friend and "the man of my dreams" is the only family she needs to create in her lifetime. She trusts her gut and her decision. She encourages others to make their own choices, and to respect hers, too.

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Posted 5/23/11 3:53 PM
 

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Posted 5/23/11 3:56 PM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

I am surprised so many women are choosing not to have children - 20%. That's a huge jump from an article I read about a year or so ago which stated 3 or 4% (although I think that was a British statistic).

Posted 5/23/11 8:19 PM
 

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I think that lack of money and support is the problem. Those that have that seem to like parenthood. But I see so many young people not financially ready do it to keep up. They should wait. Like I have friends that had one and were tapped financially and having marriage problems and to fix it, they got pregnant again FAST because everyone said "you can't have just one".

I think the point of the article should be more geared towards if you are CBC, then you shouldn't be judged. Maybe you are making the right decision based on your economic and support system situation!


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Posted 5/25/11 11:42 AM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

I think alot of women/couples are choosing not to have a family becuase they don't want to change how they live - let's face it, kids are expensive and it can impact your lifestyle.

I know alot of parents who do say how stressed they are about their kids, but I don't think that means having children isn't the best thing that's ever happened to them.

I can imagine if I had a child, it would be stressful for me, given certain things in my DH and mine's life, but I still feel like being someone's Mother would've been the best thing to ever to happen to me.

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Posted 5/25/11 1:32 PM
 

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Posted 5/25/11 2:23 PM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

Posted by dfw343

I think that lack of money and support is the problem. Those that have that seem to like parenthood. But I see so many young people not financially ready do it to keep up. They should wait. Like I have friends that had one and were tapped financially and having marriage problems and to fix it, they got pregnant again FAST because everyone said "you can't have just one".




This is kind of what I'm going through right now... DH & I *do* want another baby (my son is 11.) However, we're tight financially due to a number of reasons... me just finishing graduate school, living in an expensive area of the city & both of us not set in our careers, etc.

However, unfortunately there IS a time limit. I know I will absolutely regret it if I don't have another baby... We might not be financially "ready" for another one, but really- who IS. All I know is that we will work it out.

Sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith and trust that you'll do the best you can.

Posted 5/25/11 8:51 PM
 

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The major complaint I have about birthers are teenage pregnancies and young couples who get pregnant without having any plans on providing for their kids..

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What does Obama's birth certificate have to do with teen pregnancy???

When trying to sound snarky you might want to google your terms to avoid sounding like a moron. By the way, having an education doesn't necessarily mean more intelligence.Chat Icon

Posted 5/25/11 10:42 PM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

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I enjoyed reading the comments - especially the ones from people saying "dumb people are the ones procreating which hurts our society



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Well, as a corollary to my previous statement, I'd say it tells me that there'd be a whole lot of reeeeeeeally smart dead people.

Posted 5/26/11 10:06 AM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

Posted by Christine

I am surprised so many women are choosing not to have children - 20%. That's a huge jump from an article I read about a year or so ago which stated 3 or 4% (although I think that was a British statistic).



I'm not surprised that more women "nowadays" are choosing not to have children because there are SO MANY more opportunities for women than in years past..

but I agree with you about that statistic... Wow, that is a huge jump. I wonder why.... perhaps the economy? Interesting.

Posted 5/26/11 10:18 AM
 

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Posted 5/26/11 12:18 PM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

Posted by BatGirl9910

What does Obama's birth certificate have to do with teen pregnancy???

When trying to sound snarky you might want to google your terms to avoid sounding like a moron. By the way, having an education doesn't necessarily mean more intelligence.Chat Icon



Ouch. That was unnecessarily snarky. Chat Icon Chat Icon


Hey pot, this is kettle..... you're black.Chat Icon

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Posted 5/26/11 1:01 PM
 

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Oy...does EVERY thread on here have to turn into a pissing match??

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Give it a rest already.......

Posted 5/26/11 1:36 PM
 

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Oy...does EVERY thread on here have to turn into a pissing match??

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Give it a rest already.......



I'd hardly call this a pissing match. I just feel if people are going to attempt to use terms to generalize a whole group of people then it should at least be a correct one. Considering the poster seems so obsessed about how awful being a parent is I figured she'd at least have a term beside "birther" to describe the poor stupid idiots of the world like me.

And c'mon Lisa, you KNOW this isn't a parenting vs. CF debate- the article didn't say anything that hasn't been said before and no one is debating it. My comment was just a potshot at someone who's very good at dishing it out.Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 5/26/11 6:00 PM
 

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Posted 5/26/11 7:16 PM
 

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Posted 5/26/11 8:38 PM
 

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Posted by Lisa

Oy...does EVERY thread on here have to turn into a pissing match??

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Give it a rest already.......



I'd hardly call this a pissing match. I just feel if people are going to attempt to use terms to generalize a whole group of people then it should at least be a correct one. Considering the poster seems so obsessed about how awful being a parent is I figured she'd at least have a term beside "birther" to describe the poor stupid idiots of the world like me.

And c'mon Lisa, you KNOW this isn't a parenting vs. CF debate- the article didn't say anything that hasn't been said before and no one is debating it. My comment was just a potshot at someone who's very good at dishing it out.Chat Icon
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And it's a cheap shot. Seriously?! Are you that bored that you need to target me for insults? Why are you even on this board? You are a parent, this isn't the board for you. Just stop being petty and assuming all my anti kid posts are personally directed at you. Just because I'm personally not in favor of procreation for families that can not afford them or for the wrong reasons doesnt mean I want all families to Never have children. Get a grip woman.


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Actually, yes I am VERY bored having just gotten some "me time" before the DH finally gets home, so I won't go back to your extra awesome detailed list of why being a parent sucks eggs.

Look, choose to be child free. That's awesome. It makes the world a helluvalot more interesting. My jab was toward YOUR obvious attempt at being demeaning toward a group of people- and you didn't even use a term remotely related. I found that funny.

Oh, and BELIEVE me..... I know your anti kid posts aren't directed at me personally because there is no way in hell I'd ever be formally aquainted with someone like you. I have plenty of CF friends who chose their life, and live it to the fullest and would never spout some of the nonsense you do. THOSE are the people whose opinions of proper parenting skills I *might* listen to. Yours I just laugh at......

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Posted 5/26/11 8:38 PM
 

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My jab was toward YOUR obvious attempt at being demeaning toward a group of people- and you didn't even use a term remotely related. I found that funny.



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it WAS pretty funny. considering the amount of effort this poster puts into insulting others.

Lisa- I found the article intriguing.

Especially this part:

"Research shows women in our country often lose out financially and in career advancement once they become a parent -- because the U.S. does not have the type of work policies to properly support families and child care, like other developed nations," said Glass.

As a CF employed woman, how would you feel if the US was more in par with other areas such as the UK where they (i believe) offer 6 months to a year paid maternity leave?

Posted 5/26/11 8:50 PM
 

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As a CF employed woman, how would you feel if the US was more in par with other areas such as the UK where they (i believe) offer 6 months to a year paid maternity leave?



As a CF by choice woman, I think the maternity leave programs are deplorable. I really think it's a disgrace that women are given so little time to heal physically from childbirth, bond with their new baby and transition into such a new life. Never mind if there is any type of complication or ppd. I think babies have frequent feedings at that age so sleep is still non-existent for most moms. But, let's get up and go go go to work.

That NYS requires a maximum of $178 (?) per week is disgraceful. Who can live on that? How is that a suitable substitute for a regular salary? I worked with a woman that had to come back part time 2 weeks after a c-section b/c she simply could not afford to stay home.

And I am pretty sure I read on LIF that federal employees are not eligible for short term disability? If that doesn't send a message about how families are valued, then I don't know what would.

I am not sure if you are also asking if a CF person would think it's unfair to not get that kind of time off. If you are, no I don't think it's unfair. If it was an option available to everyone, then how can I begrudge someone from making that choice? Although, I would expect companies to make plans for work coverage since it is for such an long time.

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Posted 5/26/11 9:25 PM
 

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As a CF employed woman, how would you feel if the US was more in par with other areas such as the UK where they (i believe) offer 6 months to a year paid maternity leave?



As a CF by choice woman, I think the maternity leave programs are deplorable. I really think it's a disgrace that women are given so little time to heal physically from childbirth, bond with their new baby and transition into such a new life. Never mind if there is any type of complication or ppd. I think babies have frequent feedings at that age so sleep is still non-existent for most moms. But, let's get up and go go go to work.

That NYS requires a maximum of $178 (?) per week is disgraceful. Who can live on that? How is that a suitable substitute for a regular salary? I worked with a woman that had to come back part time 2 weeks after a c-section b/c she simply could not afford to stay home.

And I am pretty sure I read on LIF that federal employees are not eligible for short term disability? If that doesn't send a message about how families are valued, then I don't know what would.

I am not sure if you are also asking if a CF person would think it's unfair to not get that kind of time off. If you are, no I don't think it's unfair. If it was an option available to everyone, then how can I begrudge someone from making that choice? Although, I would expect companies to make plans for work coverage since it is for such an long time.




thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I was curious whether or not someone, who was CF by choice, would think it's "unfair."

Posted 5/26/11 9:31 PM
 

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Great answer Christine! Chat Icon

I feel the same way Christine does. I think that woman should get more time with their children. Sometimes it saddens me that a woman, because she had a child and was out of the office for a period of time, feels that she needs to get back because she will be over looked for a promotion or upgrade in her job.

When our moms and grandmas fought for our right at woman to get equal pay for equal jobs, they should have fought more for certain benefits, like 6 month maturity leave. But woman figured if they had to take time off more than a man, they would be taken seriously.

I certainly do not begrudge anyone that has a child and takes time off to raise that child...thats how is should be.

I have always worked for some big companies/firms and their maturity leave has been really good....between 3-4 months off - full pay. Then I read here on LIF that people don't even get the 6 weeks or so, my mouth was open. Its very sad!

Posted 5/26/11 9:49 PM
 

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Great answer Christine! Chat Icon

I feel the same way Christine does. I think that woman should get more time with their children. Sometimes it saddens me that a woman, because she had a child and was out of the office for a period of time, feels that she needs to get back because she will be over looked for a promotion or upgrade in her job.

When our moms and grandmas fought for our right at woman to get equal pay for equal jobs, they should have fought more for certain benefits, like 6 month maturity leave. But woman figured if they had to take time off more than a man, they would be taken seriously.

I certainly do not begrudge anyone that has a child and takes time off to raise that child...thats how is should be.

I have always worked for some big companies/firms and their maturity leave has been really good....between 3-4 months off - full pay. Then I read here on LIF that people don't even get the 6 weeks or so, my mouth was open. Its very sad!




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Posted 5/26/11 10:39 PM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

Lisa, maybe that's the fight for our generation. I don't know where to begin but it would be nice if our nieces didn't have to make the choices & sacrifices our sisters had to make.

Posted 5/26/11 10:43 PM
 

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Lisa, maybe that's the fight for our generation. I don't know where to begin but it would be nice if our nieces didn't have to make the choices & sacrifices our sisters had to make.



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Posted 5/26/11 10:45 PM
 

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Re: Does having children make you happy? - CNN article

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When our moms and grandmas fought for our right at woman to get equal pay for equal jobs, they should have fought more for certain benefits, like 6 month maturity leave. But woman figured if they had to take time off more than a man, they would be taken seriously.






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the fight isn't over sister.

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