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Lillykat
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
Posted by CrankyPants
I don't really have an issue with this.
My kid would probably not get a sticker very often, but that's part of life. She does get the treasure box for good behavior quite often. Or in Dance or gymnastics she gets singled out sometimes.
She can't be the best at everything and others may do better than her and the most she can do is practice and try her best. I'd rather she learn this lesson now-as much as it may break my heart.
But the OP wasn't talking about stickers. She was referring to a teacher who calls out names. I think the stickers or a reward box would be better motivator. I completely agree that not everyone deserves or should be rewarded. I just think there are better ways than announcing some names. But then I feel things like sports or contest (spelling, science fairs) are different and there is a winner or a 1st, 2nd place etc.
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Lillykat
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
I might feel differently with older kids but 1st grade aren't we trying to get the kids to love school. Work hard because they love it. They have many years of testing and ranking. Everyone is crying over how ridiculous the testing is. We should be encourging them to love school and work their hardest because they love it. There are MANY areas we can teach them that you will not always be number one. That is ok. Besides they will learn that soon enough in school. I am surprised with all those crying about how school is not fun anymore or crhing that the schools are pushing them too young we would want to use this age to give confidence in the classroom. A chiod who is confident in the classroom is more likely to want to work harder to accomplish their goals. Use games, sports and contests, and other life events to teach- my child knows she has strengths and weakness without having it pointed out to her. No one is suggesting the teacher say everyone is fabulous or everyone did great because it isn't true. Just think there are more subtle motivators. I know several teachers and they were kind of horrified so I can't say that the op is alone in her thinking.
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KarenK122
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1st grade teacher announcing test scores
I have no issue with this. The teacher is not ridiculing the children that did not get a 100% but is praising those who did and rightfully so. Whether they are just smart or studying for the test, they knew all the answers so props to them. If we stop praising these kids they why would they even attempt to get a 100%? Kids work on praise and maybe it will may those who did not get a 100 to strive harder for next time. Kids in our school get a "golden ticket" in the lunch room if they show extreme kindness to someone or do something above and beyond. There names are announced over the loud speaker when they get the ticket. All kids do not get this and it makes them want to get it and promotes an overall good behavior in the lunch rooms and playgrounds. Same issue as the tests. Some kids at school who do excellent art work get their projects shown at the local hotel and library. There names are also announced. Again same issue. I feel it is our job at home to promote confidence in what our child does and let them know whatever they do as long as they try their best is fine with us. Everyone has different skills and they get recognized in different ways.
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| Posted 10/28/13 1:28 PM |
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
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I guess this is why I don't agree with one grade per class. Growing up there were different classes per abilities. So you don't have someone who "didn't lift a finger" with someone busting their asses. The fact is all people including children are not equal. Some students are more advanced, but that still doesn't mean a child doesn't deserve credit for getting a perfect score.
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Weird...we re talking about that the other day. Tracks...I wish classes were separated by levels
I wish so too. I find a lot of parents putting kids in private schools for more challenging curriculum. Not saying that is the answer.
I was always really good in school and liked when I was in advanced classes and was challenged. I tried harder when I wasnt considered one the "smart" student in the class. It was just stuff I knew or easy for me to learn. But I didnt play sports so Academics was my thing.
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| Posted 10/28/13 1:29 PM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
Posted by computergirl
I would be fine with this. Sure, my DS might be disappointed when he doesn't get a sticker, but it might be a good motivator for him. And he might never get a sticker in certain areas, which is unfortunately a fact of life that we all had to come to terms with at some point growing up, didn't we?
This sort of begs the question: At what age do we move away from the mindset of "Everyone gets a trophy just for showing up"? I kind of feel that we're so careful to shelter our children from feeling like they failed at anything, that we are diminishing any motivation to actually SUCCEED.
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| Posted 10/28/13 2:09 PM |
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My2Girlz11
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
Posted by Lillykat
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My child came home from kindergarten upset that another child can read and she can't. Kids are going to get upset at other successes. They are going to get upset because another child is wearing a dress and they aren't (yep, my daughter again) We can't shelter them all the time from being upset or disappointed. I also think that questioning a teacher about something that I believe is coming from a good place is not the best choice. If you want to talk to the teacher and ask how he/she is meeting the needs of your child for the next test, then so be it.
Well I don't think you can compare one childing reading to hey everyone these four kids got 100% on a test. Sorry butthat is not sheltering. As someone who got 100s all the time and whose child last year (hasn't had a test in1st yet) got 100s I and my DC would not have enjoyed that. Win a race or a spelling contest or science fair great announce that. Sorry saying little Jimmy and little Alice got 100 I am sorry don't agree that is sheltering. There are other ways to praise that don't involving singling out 1 or 5. Would you feel the same if the teacher said okay 12 kids...name names got 100 and there were only 15 in the class? I don't think those 3 would feel motivated.
Btw I personally don't contact my kids teacher bc I think she is amazing. She wouldn't do the above bc she is trying to build confidence in all (by what each child needs). Then again my DD teacher is so great she actually calls parents to just say hey wanted you to know your child is doing well. There are ways to praise children doing well (Not false praise which I do not believe in) I just happen to agree that there must be a more effective way. And btw I am glad my DD does not have you because she would be uncomfortable if the teacher did that everytime they had a spelling test in kindergarten. She would have much rather had a sticker or treasure box than comments from her peers bc her name would have been called.
Where in any if my posts did I say I reward students like this?
Way to go with the personal attack. 
I will tell you one thing in my class the students do not insult each over different opinions. If people do not want to know what others think they should not post on public forums.
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Lillykat
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
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and she can't. Kids are going to get upset at other successes. They are going to get upset because another child is wearing a dress and they aren't (yep, my daughter again) We can't shelter them all the time from being upset or disappointed. I also think that questioning a teacher about something that I believe is coming from a good place is not the best choice. If you want to talk to the teacher and ask how he/she is meeting the needs of your child for the next test, then so be it.
Well I don't think you can compare one childing reading to hey everyone these four kids got 100% on a test. Sorry butthat is not sheltering. As someone who got 100s all the time and whose child last year (hasn't had a test in1st yet) got 100s I and my DC would not have enjoyed that. Win a race or a spelling contest or science fair great announce that. Sorry saying little Jimmy and little Alice got 100 I am sorry don't agree that is sheltering. There are other ways to praise that don't involving singling out 1 or 5. Would you feel the same if the teacher said okay 12 kids...name names got 100 and there were only 15 in the class? I don't think those 3 would feel motivated.
Btw I personally don't contact my kids teacher bc I think she is amazing. She wouldn't do the above bc she is trying to build confidence in all (by what each child needs). Then again my DD teacher is so great she actually calls parents to just say hey wanted you to know your child is doing well. There are ways to praise children doing well (Not false praise which I do not believe in) I just happen to agree that there must be a more effective way. And btw I am glad my DD does not have you because she would be uncomfortable if the teacher did that everytime they had a spelling test in kindergarten. She would have much rather had a sticker or treasure box than comments from her peers bc her name would have been called.
Where in any if my posts did I say I reward students like this?
Way to go with the personal attack.
I will tell you one thing in my class the students do not insult each over different opinions. If people do not want to know what others think they should not post on public forums.
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Really? Personal attack..You must not know me. Couldn't get further from the truth. I quoted you and said that because honestly...I have a very high opinion of teachers and many friends who teach but they know that not everything works. They want to hear from parents and encourage it. I would not want a teacher who thinks everything is always perfect. I am sorry you felt that was an attack but Maybe it is...but if you get no feedback how will you know if something works or does not work. Between implying one should never question and thinking the ops situation is good would make me question anyone as a teacher. It is not what I am looking for. Whether that is "you" or any teacher.
Well if you do not use a method like that then I apologize but you seemed in favor of it and thought it was a great idea. I respectually do disagree with about your never questioning a teachers methods. I am sorry you see that as an attack but you said you were a teacher. My DD's teachers actually encourage parents to call them and discuss methods if they are upsetting to your child (have not taken them up on it bc I like their methods) but yes I like that. Teachers are human and sometimes a policy doesnt work. I would not want a teacher who says they should not be questioned. I am sorry but yes there are many excellent teachers out the who are hard workers and do an amazing (my daughter has been very fortunate go have those our past two years) as I am sure you are as well but... Having said that I believe there is a time and a place. To blanketly or blindly agree on certain methods seems silly. Again not the op so not making a complaint but I do believe we can agree to disagree that there might be a better way to motivate. Several teacher friends agreed it could backfire and thought it was inappropriate for lower grades. You have to know your class. If you have kids who are upset they might be discouraged. If the teacher is not made aware of the situation they cannot determine if it is a method they should continue to use. If as a teacher you do something would you not want to know if it is effecting your students? Maybe you don't change it for one....but hey if you know 5, 6, 10 kids are upset with your method you wouldn't want to know so you could reevaluate? I also believe while we should give our kids confidence it is a parents job to also teach not everyone is top at everything. Just not sure that was the way to do it. As I said a more private reward might be better as the teacher could also reward the students she wants to motivate who need it versus another who will get that grade regardless of what he/she does.
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05mommy09
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1st grade teacher announcing test scores
I really don't think its a big deal, but do understand how others may not agree with it.... Im on the fence!
I do believe this "everybody wins" mentality that we have posed on our children is really ridiculous, because LOSING is an important lesson in life. Accepting that we are not always "the best" is a cold fact that is going to be realized no matter what!
So praising those who did well? Heck they earned it- SURE! Teaching our children to also praise others is important. Rather than feel badly about their own grade (because the teacher didn't pose that situation!) our children should congratulate those who scored higher. I also think it may make children strive harder to earned an even higher grade next time!
I do think its important to acknowledge that as long as you try hard and do your absolute BEST then you should feel proud of yourself!
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| Posted 10/29/13 10:31 AM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
Posted by 05mommy09
I really don't think its a big deal, but do understand how others may not agree with it.... Im on the fence!
I do believe this "everybody wins" mentality that we have posed on our children is really ridiculous, because LOSING is an important lesson in life. Accepting that we are not always "the best" is a cold fact that is going to be realized no matter what!
So praising those who did well? Heck they earned it- SURE! Teaching our children to also praise others is important. Rather than feel badly about their own grade (because the teacher didn't pose that situation!) our children should congratulate those who scored higher. I also think it may make children strive harder to earned an even higher grade next time!
I do think its important to acknowledge that as long as you try hard and do your absolute BEST then you should feel proud of yourself!
I completely agree with this! The fact is that in life there will always be people who, despite hard work, will never get that top score. Life is not always fair and children need to learn that. It would be equally unfair to not recognize this that did exceptionally well.
When I was in school, I was great academically but terrible at sports. If my school never recognized academic achievements I would have never received any praise or recognition. The athletes were always recognized with medals, trophies etc. everyone has different talents and the fact is that someone will always be left out whether it is academics, sports, art etc. it is our job as parents to explain that to our children but also to prepare them for real life a little bit at a time.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
I have no issue with reading out the names of perfect scores on tests. My daughter was disappointed in her 92 on her last test. I asked if she did her best, she said yes. I said that's all that matters to me & if she wants 100, next time we can study together. What I would be more concerned about is how praise affects those students being praised.Article: The Power (and Peril) of Praise
I had someone that was always compared to me gradewise & fell short every time. It did me no favors to think that I was "better".
Everyone has their strengths & weaknesses - and grades are one in a million categories. I remember watching a recent interview on this book, David & Goliath. It was about those people that succeed not despite their handicaps but because of them. It was eye-opening. Among those with learning disabilities are Steve Job, Charles Schwab, Tommy Hilfiger & Richard Branson.
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
Posted by nrthshgrl
I have no issue with reading out the names of perfect scores on tests. My daughter was disappointed in her 92 on her last test. I asked if she did her best, she said yes. I said that's all that matters to me & if she wants 100, next time we can study together. What I would be more concerned about is how praise affects those students being praised.Article: The Power (and Peril) of Praise
I had someone that was always compared to me gradewise & fell short every time. It did me no favors to think that I was "better".
Everyone has their strengths & weaknesses - and grades are one in a million categories. I remember watching a recent interview on this book, David & Goliath. It was about those people that succeed not despite their handicaps but because of them. It was eye-opening. Among those with learning disabilities are Steve Job, Charles Schwab, Tommy Hilfiger & Richard Branson.
Yes there has been tremendous amount of studies done regarding praise. And how it actually can hurt those who receive it. There is a difference between praising a perfect score and encouraging the process.
Risk takers are those that are not afraid to fail, those who receive constant praise for perfection are often unwilling to step outside their box.
It's one of the biggest problems with testing, it doesn't support innovation.
The teacher that gave stickers out to the perfect scoring first graders was doing that to encourage more students to well on the next test, because sadly her teaching is going to be equated with those tests. It's all part of common core.
Daniel Pink and Alfie Kohn have some interesting books on the topic.
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Re: 1st grade teacher announcing test scores
Life lesson learned. They'll live.
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