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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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but don't you think more should be done to promote adoption?
Yes. I think A LOT of thinks should be promoted. Adoption, abstinence, birth control, etc. However, I also think the right to choose what happens to your body should be promoted above all else.
i partially agree with you
Listen, I think it comes down to people doing what is best for THEMSELVES. And to do what's best for yourself means to be educated on ALL your options, right? But if they are limiting my options, then how am I able to do what's best for me? No one should be allowed to decide for ME what is the best option.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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This upsets me so greatly that I cannot even begin to comment. It is MY body. MINE. If I want to have an abortion, that is MY choice. It's not someone else's, and unless they are going to pay my medical bills during an unwanted pregnancy, then come and set up an adoption, then they better not even begin to think about changing the abortion laws. Where are all the pro-lifers when the girls with unwanted pregnancies are trying to feed, clothe and care for those children? WHERE? They're certainly not opening their homes to those babies, are they? They're not there handing money over to help out with medical bills, are they? When they are ready to do that, then they can change the laws.
And I'm PREGNANT. Let me tell you, this is not something that I could do on my own, without insurance or someone to help me through or if I didn't want this baby at the end. It's just not. And I could give a sh-t if people don't agree with me on this or flame me, but it will be a horrifying day when the government can make decisions like this for MY body.
but don't you think more should be done to promote adoption?
I actually think more needs to be done to educate people, young adults and teens, about safe sex and alternatives to having sex. A while back, I did a study within a group and research shows that schools with open and candid sex education program have a significant difference in unwanted pregnancies. All in all, better education for all choices is the best defense against unwanted pregnancies and children.
that is a good point also
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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but don't you think more should be done to promote adoption?
Yes. I think A LOT of thinks should be promoted. Adoption, abstinence, birth control, etc. However, I also think the right to choose what happens to your body should be promoted above all else.
i partially agree with you
Listen, I think it comes down to people doing what is best for THEMSELVES. And to do what's best for yourself means to be educated on ALL your options, right? But if they are limiting my options, then how am I able to do what's best for me? No one should be allowed to decide for ME what is the best option.
true that, my only point is that they should fully promote the benefits of all options, especially the ones where the kid lives
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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This upsets me so greatly that I cannot even begin to comment. It is MY body. MINE. If I want to have an abortion, that is MY choice. It's not someone else's, and unless they are going to pay my medical bills during an unwanted pregnancy, then come and set up an adoption, then they better not even begin to think about changing the abortion laws. Where are all the pro-lifers when the girls with unwanted pregnancies are trying to feed, clothe and care for those children? WHERE? They're certainly not opening their homes to those babies, are they? They're not there handing money over to help out with medical bills, are they? When they are ready to do that, then they can change the laws.
And I'm PREGNANT. Let me tell you, this is not something that I could do on my own, without insurance or someone to help me through or if I didn't want this baby at the end. It's just not. And I could give a sh-t if people don't agree with me on this or flame me, but it will be a horrifying day when the government can make decisions like this for MY body.
but don't you think more should be done to promote adoption?
I think in a perfect world we would all wish that abortion wouldn't exist and that everyone who is sexually active would wear a condom and take BC, that no accidents would exist, etc. I wish more children were sent to loving adopted families but I think for a young girl to carry a baby to term without education and parental concern is extremely difficult and significant measures have to be put into place to help those young teens.
I agree with both, DMcK and Rachel 100%!!1 After the Brookline abortion killings I would do clinic defense on Saturday mornings. I would wake up at 6:00 am (for a college student- that is tough) and escort women into abortion clinics while pro-lifers protested. There were a lot of scary things I saw there.
I just think its so important for women to have that choice. It will always be around (as it always has)- but while its legal- abortion can be safe and regulated.
I agree that adoption needs to be promoted more. But I can't imagine how hard it is to carry a baby for 9 months and give it up.
Look around at our foster care system. I think that some of these people who are pro-life should take a more active role and become a foster parent or adopt an unwanted child. I just look around the city and see so many unwanted children in our foster care system. I think we need to take care of the children already here first.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
Posted by prncssrachel
This upsets me so greatly that I cannot even begin to comment. It is MY body. MINE. If I want to have an abortion, that is MY choice. It's not someone else's, and unless they are going to pay my medical bills during an unwanted pregnancy, then come and set up an adoption, then they better not even begin to think about changing the abortion laws. Where are all the pro-lifers when the girls with unwanted pregnancies are trying to feed, clothe and care for those children? WHERE? They're certainly not opening their homes to those babies, are they? They're not there handing money over to help out with medical bills, are they? When they are ready to do that, then they can change the laws.
And I'm PREGNANT. Let me tell you, this is not something that I could do on my own, without insurance or someone to help me through or if I didn't want this baby at the end. It's just not. And I could give a sh-t if people don't agree with me on this or flame me, but it will be a horrifying day when the government can make decisions like this for MY body.
I agree with you word for word and my DH & I are TTC!
Also,everyone always says "sex-ed in the schools..young girls..teens.." everyone I ever knew who has gotten an abortion ( & I have known a few) were all 20something or 30something. What are the stats on age groups that get abortions?
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
Posted by andri
Posted by prncssrachel
This upsets me so greatly that I cannot even begin to comment. It is MY body. MINE. If I want to have an abortion, that is MY choice. It's not someone else's, and unless they are going to pay my medical bills during an unwanted pregnancy, then come and set up an adoption, then they better not even begin to think about changing the abortion laws. Where are all the pro-lifers when the girls with unwanted pregnancies are trying to feed, clothe and care for those children? WHERE? They're certainly not opening their homes to those babies, are they? They're not there handing money over to help out with medical bills, are they? When they are ready to do that, then they can change the laws.
And I'm PREGNANT. Let me tell you, this is not something that I could do on my own, without insurance or someone to help me through or if I didn't want this baby at the end. It's just not. And I could give a sh-t if people don't agree with me on this or flame me, but it will be a horrifying day when the government can make decisions like this for MY body.
I agree with you word for word and my DH & I are TTC!
Also,everyone always says "sex-ed in the schools..young girls..teens.." everyone I ever knew who has gotten an abortion ( & I have known a few) were all 20something or 30something. What are the stats on age groups that get abortions?
I don't know what the stats are. I also said we should educate the teens because I think that ifyou educate people in earlier stages of their life they will take it with them into their 20s and 30s.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
I think so much energy is spent on both sides of this issue that could be put to more productive use. I don't think abortion should be illegal, but I do think more can be done to prevent unwanted pregnancies and promote adoption. I agree with Rachel, in that people are quick to point out that adoption is an option, but for a single woman, without the support of a family, it would be incredibly difficult to do that alone.
I also think that there are other societal problems that if they were addressed could help in the abortion debate. If health care and child care were more affordable and accessible, I think more women would feel like they had more options. I also think better enforcement of child support laws would help. I would love to see people take these causes up more vigorously, and perhaps we would see the number of abortions decline.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so 
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
I am a complete pro-lifer(key word being I)
but if someone feels incapable or does not want to carry a child, then that is their choice. Promoting adoption is a good idea, but what worries me is the number of drug addicted or fetal alcohol syndrome babies. Pregnant women that do not seek out proper prenatal care. It is not fair to the child going up for adoption.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
No flaming here we all have our opinions!
I would just like to say one of my close friends had an abortion. It was a hard decision for her. BUT
She did protect herself. She is in her mid 20's
Everyone keeps saying educate teens educate teens... I think there probably could be more education BUT.... Condoms and Birth Control are NOT 100%
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
Posted by BabyBoy
there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so
just so you know....you can "protect" yourself and still get PG.
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BaroqueMama
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
I think my MAIN problem is that they want to ban abortion, but they offer no other help to women in its place. If they came out and said, ok, so here's free healthcare for those women who have unwanted pregnancies, here's money for the added expenses they incur, here's a bill that provides coverage for the bc pill for all women, here's a crack-down on father's who don't pay their child support, THEN I would still be as mad as I am, but at least it would be about promoting what's best for the baby and the mother. But it has nothign to do with that.
And I can guarantee you that if abortion were banned in the US adn one of the Bush twins turned up on her daddy's doorstep with an unwanted pregnancy, no father, no marriage, he'd find a way to make her pregnancy disappear. These people don't care what's best for the baby, they care about what gets them re-elected. That heats me beyond belief.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so
The concerns I have with your argument is that accidents do happen so even if you protect yourself, one could wind up with an unwanted pregnancy. The second is that yes, it's my body and I can do things to avoid getting pregnant but why is it all my responsiblity since I'm the woman and I am the one to be pregnant. Men are not being held to the same standards as women are in an argument of this nature.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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just so you know....you can "protect" yourself and still get PG.
you can greatly reduce the chance if used probally...nothing is perfect in this world...
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so
just so you know....you can "protect" yourself and still get PG.
you can greatly reduce the chance if used probally...nothing is perfect in this world...
Exactly my point
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
Posted by shamrock12472
The concerns I have with your argument is that accidents do happen so even if you protect yourself, one could wind up with an unwanted pregnancy. The second is that yes, it's my body and I can do things to avoid getting pregnant but why is it all my responsiblity since I'm the woman and I am the one to be pregnant. Men are not being held to the same standards as women are in an argument of this nature.
but then again, these same women say men have no right for the women to keep/aboart the unborn child.
men can take steps not to make a women preggo...as so can women...prehaps both is more effective or no sex at all
women prehaps should only deal in situations that are optimal instead of being random and using methods like pull/pray just this one time with someone you may barly know...
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
But, I feel there is too much time devoted to abortion and not enough time devoted to adoption education. I mean, if you don't want the kid, fine, but why abortion? I wish adoption could be up on that level as another solid option and that abortion wasn't seen as the only alternative.
Heck, I wish men and women made more sensible choices before jumping in the sack. But, I am realistic, I realize that even if you ban abortion, it's not going to end. And I would rather a young girl, if she REALLY felt she needed the abortion, go to a reputable clinic, rather than go to a back alley with a coat hanger, or worse yet, have the kid and leave it to die in the dumpster.
I guess what I am saying is, don't ban abortion outright, but strongly promote adoption so that abortion isn;t the only answer
I actually agree with what you are saying but ultimately i think that increasing education on alternative choices will not deter any abortions...
For the most part...i think having your child living and breathing out there is an issue
and for the younger adults...having a parent find out about it is the other BIG issue
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so
The concerns I have with your argument is that accidents do happen so even if you protect yourself, one could wind up with an unwanted pregnancy. The second is that yes, it's my body and I can do things to avoid
getting pregnant but why is it all my responsiblity since I'm the woman and I am the one to be pregnant. Men are not being held to the same standards as women are in an argument of this nature.
And men are the ones pushing to pass these bills.
I'm a strong believer in "walk a mile in my shoes" impossible for 50% of the population!
BTW,I have proof that taking the pill is NOT 100%, he's 9 now  For me it was unexpected,but welcomed since I was already married & had a career. But what if I was single & stuggling?
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so
just so you know....you can "protect" yourself and still get PG.
you can greatly reduce the chance if used probally...nothing is perfect in this world...
Exactly my point
which is what? greatly reducing the chances means nothing so don't bother with it? or they should be abortion for those who try to take the proper measures but they still fail?
who would measure what is proper and what is inproper?
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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but then again, these same women say men have no right for the women to keep/aboart the unborn child.
men can take steps not to make a women preggo...as so can women...prehaps both is more effective or no sex at all
women prehaps should only deal in situations that are optimal instead of being random and using methods like pull/pray just this one time with someone you may barly know...
although i think that the first part of what you are saying is valid....
i certainly don't think it is realistic
and as to the last part....WHY do you think that the people having abortions, even the majority of them are people who are doing the "pull/pray method or sleeping with someone they do not know..
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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Posted by shamrock12472
The concerns I have with your argument is that accidents do happen so even if you protect yourself, one could wind up with an unwanted pregnancy. The second is that yes, it's my body and I can do things to avoid getting pregnant but why is it all my responsiblity since I'm the woman and I am the one to be pregnant. Men are not being held to the same standards as women are in an argument of this nature.
but then again, these same women say men have no right for the women to keep/aboart the unborn child.
men can take steps not to make a women preggo...as so can women...prehaps both is more effective or no sex at all
women prehaps should only deal in situations that are optimal instead of being random and using methods like pull/pray just this one time with someone you may barly know...
Unfortunately, until men can carry a pregnancy to full term and deliver a child, their say is limited because it doesn't infinge on their personal space/body. As long as a man can walk out of a woman's life when she's 9 months pregnant with their child, his say shouldn't be as strong as hers but that isn't to say he shouldn't have any say
Women are not the only ones that decide what type of birth control is available...if you are using pull/pray method, a man is involved and just as responsible for preventing pregnancy as a women. Unfortunately, men aren't left with the end result.
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
i made that up...i can only imagine what the truth could be
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Re: South Dakota restricting abortions
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there would be no need for abortion (bedies rape, medical reasons, etc..) if there was proper education in our system. you can do "the deed" but take some measures when doing it...
your boby yes, then protect yourself with measures to avoid being preggo
then again, we will never be able to protect everyone as people can't even put on there seat belts and headlights when its dark to protect themsleves....so
just so you know....you can "protect" yourself and still get PG.
you can greatly reduce the chance if used probally...nothing is perfect in this world...
Exactly my point
which is what? greatly reducing the chances means nothing so don't bother with it? or they should be abortion for those who try to take the proper measures but they still fail?
who would measure what is proper and what is inproper?
MY POINT...you said that there would be NO NEED for abortions if there was proper education and if you protect yourself
POINT BEING...you can be educated and protect yourself and GUESS WHAT...end up PG.
It happens quite frequently actually
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