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monkeybride
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
I just want to say that as a SAHM I have no idea what happened on Oprah today or any day this week. I rarely even get to turn the TV on.
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by WhatNow
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I agree with what someone before said, I always half joke that the feminists of the 60s and 70s f*ed it up for the rest of us 
Pumpkin did mentioned feminism in her post.
The problem with that movement was that even though feminists allowed women to enter the workforce and go all the way to the top in whatever field they chose, they forgot to take into consideration that the life (i.e. the need to procreate) still goes on and the only people who make that happen are still women: we have to get pregnant, have babies and are, in majority of cases, are the main care provider. So, now here we are, all free and independent and career oriented, and our families are suffering because of it...
For feminist movement to really have been successful they should have taken into consideration and fought for what happens AFTER women enter workforce! Where are the great, affordable, on-site day care centers they have everywhere in Europe, where is the great maternity leave policy that most European and Canadian mothers enjoy, where are the family-oriented, mother-friendly office policies with readily available part-time and work-from-home opportunities? That's what they should have been fighting for....
...Instead they shoved us in offices, may be even lucrative corner offices in many cases, but left everything else unattended. Now our children are in super expensive carecenters, we only get to see them an hour a day while other people are raising them, and we sit in the office and wonder if announcing our pregnancy to the boss will hurt our chances for a promotion... So, may be F*ed up is not such a bad term to use... The position we were all put in can certainly be described as such!
I can't disagree with that at all... in fact, that's exactly why I had a mini-breakdown earlier this week and in jeopardy of losing my job. Now, if this country were more family oriented and my firm were more accomodating, I wouldn't have the fear in god in me right now about losing my job because I've been spending too much time with my daughter, and I wouldn't be hauling my a** into work at an ungodly hour... sometimes I really hate this country. And you know what's truly sad? Of all my peers who went to law school, I have the *best* situation, and here I am, struggling as it is... 
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Melbernai
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
I have a friend who lives in England and she said that 8 weeks maternity leave (not even paid) would be unheard of there. I don't remember the exact number, but I think she said they get something like 3-6 months PAID by the goverment and they are BEHIND most of Europe!
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MsG
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Is it really necessary to blame feminists for this? It seems to me it's more of a society-as-a-whole problem. I always thought feminists fought for women to have choices; the author of this article is certainly no feminist.
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| Posted 2/24/06 8:39 AM |
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BabyAvocado
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by anon
personally, the real problem i see is that the work force really is not supportive of the working mother.
I couldn't agree more.
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| Posted 2/24/06 9:00 AM |
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CellarDweller
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by BabyAvocado
Posted by anon
personally, the real problem i see is that the work force really is not supportive of the working mother.
I couldn't agree more.
I just wanted to chime in here. I'm an avid lurker and not yet a mother but I just read an article about this very subject.
It is Harvard Business Review - The Hidden Brain Dran: off-ramps and on-ramps in Women's Careers.
You can find it and a bunch of interesting and somewhat alarming (depending on your perspective) stats at
www.womenscareersreport.hbr.org
The upshot of the article is that companies risk losing a vital resource (women) if they don't adapt to the changing demands in women's lives (i.e. caring for families).
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by MsG
Is it really necessary to blame feminists for this? It seems to me it's more of a society-as-a-whole problem. I always thought feminists fought for women to have choices; the author of this article is certainly no feminist.
I agree!
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| Posted 2/24/06 10:07 AM |
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anon
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Message edited 2/8/2007 11:17:03 AM.
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beachgirl13
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
I"m not a mom yet, I'm currently pregnant. I agree that we shouldn't blame feminists. They opened the door for more opportunities for us, and for that we should be greatful. Of course there are downsides. Sure, they didn't have enough foresight to think about what would happen once women entered the workforce. But there are still women working to improve our lives and situations today, women that would consider themselves feminists today. Just because it wasn't done in the past doesn't mean women shouldn't work toward it in the future. We can't blame other women-that imo, is part of the problem. Sure, they didn't do EVERYTHING, but they opened doors. There's nothing to say that future generations that came after them can't do more to help out.
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by beachgirl13
I"m not a mom yet, I'm currently pregnant. I agree that we shouldn't blame feminists. They opened the door for more opportunities for us, and for that we should be greatful. Of course there are downsides. Sure, they didn't have enough foresight to think about what would happen once women entered the workforce. But there are still women working to improve our lives and situations today, women that would consider themselves feminists today. Just because it wasn't done in the past doesn't mean women shouldn't work toward it in the future. We can't blame other women-that imo, is part of the problem. Sure, they didn't do EVERYTHING, but they opened doors. There's nothing to say that future generations that came after them can't do more to help out.
I agree. I am also not a mom yet, but I am due in April. I also plan on being a working mom.
I am an attorney and without the feminists movement of the 60's and 70's- I don't know if I would be here now. My friend's mom had to sign an affidavit that she would never have kids in order for her to be let into medical school. Do any of us want to go back there??? I am very greatful to the women who defied society and fought for my right to chose any career I wanted! I thank these women for opening doors for me. It is a tough situation now- this country does not accomdate working moms so well. THat is something SOCIETY needs to work on. You can't blame feminists for that.
On a side note, as someone pointed out, at a big law firm (not mine), part time is considered working 9-5.
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BrunetteMom
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by beachgirl13
I"m not a mom yet, I'm currently pregnant. I agree that we shouldn't blame feminists. They opened the door for more opportunities for us, and for that we should be greatful. Of course there are downsides. Sure, they didn't have enough foresight to think about what would happen once women entered the workforce. But there are still women working to improve our lives and situations today, women that would consider themselves feminists today. Just because it wasn't done in the past doesn't mean women shouldn't work toward it in the future. We can't blame other women-that imo, is part of the problem. Sure, they didn't do EVERYTHING, but they opened doors. There's nothing to say that future generations that came after them can't do more to help out.
On a side note, as someone pointed out, at a big law firm (not mine), part time is considered working 9-5.
Yep. I'm a "retired" attorney and was considered working p/t because I was off on Fridays. Mind you, I was working 8-7 and sometimes even later the rest of the days and I often took my work home.
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CaseyGirl
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
All I was saying when I mentioned feminism is that while I am grateful for the advances that it has made in our society, on the other hand, I wish it was not SO hard for women to be SAHMs - years ago, when my mom and my MIL were having kids it was pretty much expected or the norm and I just wish it would still be that way....I am not a mom yet but I would like to be soon and it breaks my heart all the time to think that I may not be able to stay home and be a part of the most important time of my child's life...that has been a dream of mine since I was a kid and because of the way things have happened the past 25, 30 years, I may never get to see that. 
Make sense?
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dandr10199
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by MrsTC
All I was saying when I mentioned feminism is that while I am grateful for the advances that it has made in our society, on the other hand, I wish it was not SO hard for women to be SAHMs - years ago, when my mom and my MIL were having kids it was pretty much expected or the norm and I just wish it would still be that way....I am not a mom yet but I would like to be soon and it breaks my heart all the time to think that I may not be able to stay home and be a part of the most important time of my child's life...that has been a dream of mine since I was a kid and because of the way things have happened the past 25, 30 years, I may never get to see that.
Make sense?
You make A LOT of sense to me.
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samanthasmom
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
THis professor sounds nutty! Just like 1/2 the law professors I ever had Dont get me wrong I had one or two good ones lol but the majority all had their nutty ways or thought that they knew it all! Kinda like the author here
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CaseyGirl
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Re: Article - SAHM's "A Tragedy"
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by MrsTC
All I was saying when I mentioned feminism is that while I am grateful for the advances that it has made in our society, on the other hand, I wish it was not SO hard for women to be SAHMs - years ago, when my mom and my MIL were having kids it was pretty much expected or the norm and I just wish it would still be that way....I am not a mom yet but I would like to be soon and it breaks my heart all the time to think that I may not be able to stay home and be a part of the most important time of my child's life...that has been a dream of mine since I was a kid and because of the way things have happened the past 25, 30 years, I may never get to see that.
Make sense?
You make A LOT of sense to me.
thank you my friend 
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