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JennZ
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
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Posted by Bxgell2
The only failure here is the prosecution - they took a gamble that the jury would be persuaded enough to see past the legal requirement to prove INTENT for murder, without sufficient evidence. If they had charged her with manslaughter, the Jury wouldn't have had to consider whether she intended to kill her child, only WHETHER she killed her child.
They DID charge her with mansluaghter, she was found not guilty of that too. If you are going to criticize all of us lay people who are upset about the verdict maybe you should know a bit more about the case
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
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| Posted 7/11/11 10:14 AM |
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JennZ
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
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Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
And with this, i just choked on my nerds.....
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| Posted 7/11/11 10:15 AM |
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JennyPenny
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Bxgell2
The only failure here is the prosecution - they took a gamble that the jury would be persuaded enough to see past the legal requirement to prove INTENT for murder, without sufficient evidence. If they had charged her with manslaughter, the Jury wouldn't have had to consider whether she intended to kill her child, only WHETHER she killed her child.
They DID charge her with mansluaghter, she was found not guilty of that too. If you are going to criticize all of us lay people who are upset about the verdict maybe you should know a bit more about the case
I agree.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by JennZ
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
And with this, i just choked on my nerds.....
I have a Master's Degree in Sarcasm.
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
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bicosi
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by JennyPenny
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Bxgell2
The only failure here is the prosecution - they took a gamble that the jury would be persuaded enough to see past the legal requirement to prove INTENT for murder, without sufficient evidence. If they had charged her with manslaughter, the Jury wouldn't have had to consider whether she intended to kill her child, only WHETHER she killed her child.
They DID charge her with mansluaghter, she was found not guilty of that too. If you are going to criticize all of us lay people who are upset about the verdict maybe you should know a bit more about the case
I agree.
Exactly... and if you're "so sick of all the chatter about this case," then why bother?!?!
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saraH
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by bicosi
Posted by JennyPenny
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Bxgell2
The only failure here is the prosecution - they took a gamble that the jury would be persuaded enough to see past the legal requirement to prove INTENT for murder, without sufficient evidence. If they had charged her with manslaughter, the Jury wouldn't have had to consider whether she intended to kill her child, only WHETHER she killed her child.
They DID charge her with mansluaghter, she was found not guilty of that too. If you are going to criticize all of us lay people who are upset about the verdict maybe you should know a bit more about the case
I agree.
Exactly... and if you're "so sick of all the chatter about this case," then why bother?!?!
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bicosi
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
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Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
lmaoooooooooo
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saraH
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Amen, sister! I don't get how people get annoyed with this case. She killed her baby, and walked! People are going to talk.
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
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I can't speak for Beth, but I can speak for myself . . . it is not the voicing of the "unprofessional" opinions that is bothersome or chatter - it is the numerous lay people on here who say they would have voted guilty, they would have hung the jury, they would never have allowed themselves to be swayed etc. In the end all that means is that is that you (the collective you) would not have followed the law, and as an attorney to hear soooooo many people say they would have ignored the law or not followed the law is bothersome and/or chatter AND is grave cause for concern.
Doesn't it bother you that the jurors are actually admitting that THEY didn't follow the law? I find a killer walking the streets with the ability to bear more children to be a grave concern for our society.
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Lisa
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by JennZ
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
And with this, i just choked on my nerds.....
I have a Master's Degree in Sarcasm.
Where did you get that degree?
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Lisa
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by JennZ
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
I feel like there are a few lawyers on here trying to invalidate the opinions of many of us who were emotionally invested in this case. I was pretty insulted myself.
Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere.
And with this, i just choked on my nerds.....
I have a Master's Degree in Sarcasm.
Where did you get that degree?
I got it at a school in the Caribbean and totally not because I wasn't smart enough to get into a school in the states 
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Lisa
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
I thought so.....
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katiebug
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Bxgell2
The only failure here is the prosecution - they took a gamble that the jury would be persuaded enough to see past the legal requirement to prove INTENT for murder, without sufficient evidence. If they had charged her with manslaughter, the Jury wouldn't have had to consider whether she intended to kill her child, only WHETHER she killed her child.
They DID charge her with mansluaghter, she was found not guilty of that too. If you are going to criticize all of us lay people who are upset about the verdict maybe you should know a bit more about the case
Exactly!
And just because some of us don't believe there was reasonable doubt does NOT mean we don't understand the law or mean that we are inadequate to serve on a jury.
11 hours, that is all the time they spent deliberating on a 6 week case. You cannot tell me they acted responsibly.
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katiebug
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I can't speak for Beth, but I can speak for myself . . . it is not the voicing of the "unprofessional" opinions that is bothersome or chatter - it is the numerous lay people on here who say they would have voted guilty, they would have hung the jury, they would never have allowed themselves to be swayed etc. In the end all that means is that is that you (the collective you) would not have followed the law, and as an attorney to hear soooooo many people say they would have ignored the law or not followed the law is bothersome and/or chatter AND is grave cause for concern.
And the jury in this case didn't follow the law either. Some of the jurors who were interviewed said they all took the penalty into consideration when deliberating whether she was guilty or not.
You can be damn sure if Casey were a man she would have been found guilty and would sit on death row.
I also believe that jurors on the Scott Peterson case have said they would have found Casey guilty. To me that speaks volumes.
ETS: i will never understand people who complain about topic of posts. Here is a thought, don't read them!
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by HeathKernandez
I got it at a school in the Caribbean and totally not because I wasn't smart enough to get into a school in the states
I hope they taught you about how to check the weather outside while you were there.
HINT: Open the window
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bicosi
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by katiebug
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I can't speak for Beth, but I can speak for myself . . . it is not the voicing of the "unprofessional" opinions that is bothersome or chatter - it is the numerous lay people on here who say they would have voted guilty, they would have hung the jury, they would never have allowed themselves to be swayed etc. In the end all that means is that is that you (the collective you) would not have followed the law, and as an attorney to hear soooooo many people say they would have ignored the law or not followed the law is bothersome and/or chatter AND is grave cause for concern.
And the jury in this case didn't follow the law either. Some of the jurors who were interviewed said they all took the penalty into consideration when deliberating whether she was guilty or not.
ETS: i will never understand people who complain about topic of posts. Here is a thought, don't read them!
Problem is that some DON'T in fact read them at all and yet still continue to express their lengthy opinions on them..
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by HeathKernandez
I got it at a school in the Caribbean and totally not because I wasn't smart enough to get into a school in the states
I hope they taught you about how to check the weather outside while you were there.
HINT: Open the window
sadly, they did not.
but they DID teach me how to find a great sale at Saks 5th Avenue and how to plan numerous trips to CABO
CABO
CABO CABO
did I mention CABO????????????????
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
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PreshusSmurf
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by HeathKernandez
I got it at a school in the Caribbean and totally not because I wasn't smart enough to get into a school in the states
I hope they taught you about how to check the weather outside while you were there.
HINT: Open the window
sadly, they did not.
but they DID teach me how to find a great sale at Saks 5th Avenue and how to plan numerous trips to CABO
CABO
CABO CABO
did I mention CABO????????????????
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schmora15
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Bxgell2
The only failure here is the prosecution - they took a gamble that the jury would be persuaded enough to see past the legal requirement to prove INTENT for murder, without sufficient evidence. If they had charged her with manslaughter, the Jury wouldn't have had to consider whether she intended to kill her child, only WHETHER she killed her child.
They DID charge her with mansluaghter, she was found not guilty of that too. If you are going to criticize all of us lay people who are upset about the verdict maybe you should know a bit more about the case
Exactly!!
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Bxgell2
This is all I'm going to say about this because I'm so sick of all the chatter about this case.
I don't understand why everyone is blaming the defense. The burden in any criminal trial is on the PROSECUTION to prove the evidence fits the charge. That is the fundemantal tenet of our justice system, and you better damn well better believe that you'll understand it's importance if you or anyone you love is ever brough up on charges.
It is the PROSECUTION that failed in this case; the defense did no wrong, other than to perform their job adequately. I am SURE the defense team knows exactly what she is guilty of - but they defended her just as they should have, just as ANY individual in this Country is entitled.
In my opinion, no one here was "fooled", neither the defense team NOR the jury. The entire blame falls on a poor prosecution and a poor strategy. At the end of the day, they were greedy and went for the "big" charges, all the while knowing they did not have sufficient, direct evidence to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. If they had given her the proper charges that they could have proven to a jury, this would have been a much different scenario...
ITA. Well said.
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mrsej
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Re: Anyone out there think Casey performed a "primal fear" effect on her defense team?
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by Bxgell2
This is all I'm going to say about this because I'm so sick of all the chatter about this case.
I don't understand why everyone is blaming the defense. The burden in any criminal trial is on the PROSECUTION to prove the evidence fits the charge. That is the fundemantal tenet of our justice system, and you better damn well better believe that you'll understand it's importance if you or anyone you love is ever brough up on charges.
It is the PROSECUTION that failed in this case; the defense did no wrong, other than to perform their job adequately. I am SURE the defense team knows exactly what she is guilty of - but they defended her just as they should have, just as ANY individual in this Country is entitled.
In my opinion, no one here was "fooled", neither the defense team NOR the jury. The entire blame falls on a poor prosecution and a poor strategy. At the end of the day, they were greedy and went for the "big" charges, all the while knowing they did not have sufficient, direct evidence to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. If they had given her the proper charges that they could have proven to a jury, this would have been a much different scenario...
ITA. Well said.
While I disagree with the verdict, I don't fault the jury for what they did Everyone has a different opinion on what "reasonable" is. I am surprised that you thought the prosecution was "poor". I thought they were pretty good with the evidence that they had and what they were permitted to elicit based on the laws of evidence. They were able to gain an indictment on Murder One, so should they just have dismissed it? It was a tough case, but most homicides are. They were the proper charges. Unfortunately, the jury did not/could not fit the pieces together.
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