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COPIED & PASTED:

This is probably the most thorough, well-written, thoughtful article I’ve read on this subject.

By Joe Morice, daughters in 8th & 10th grade in our Centreville Pyramid, NC:

To our fellow FCPS families, this is it gang, 5 days until the 2 days in school vs. 100% virtual decision. Let’s talk it out, in my traditional mammoth TL/DR form.

Like all of you, I’ve seen my feed become a flood of anxiety and faux expertise. You’ll get no presumption of expertise here. This is how I am looking at and considering this issue and the positions people have taken in my feed and in the hundred or so FCPS discussion groups that have popped up. The lead comments in quotes are taken directly from my feed and those boards. Sometimes I try to rationalize them. Sometimes I’m just punching back at the void.

Full disclosure, we initially chose the 2 days option and are now having serious reservations. As I consider the positions and arguments I see in my feed, these are where my mind goes. Of note, when I started working on this piece at 12:19 PM today the COVID death tally in the United States stood at 133,420.

“My kids want to go back to school.”

I challenge that position. I believe what the kids desire is more abstract. I believe what they want is a return to normalcy. They want their idea of yesterday. And yesterday isn’t on the menu.

“I want my child in school so they can socialize.”

This was the principle reason for our 2 days decision. As I think more on it though, what do we think ‘social’ will look like? There aren’t going to be any lunch table groups, any lockers, any recess games, any study halls, any sitting next to friends, any talking to people in the hallway, any dances. All of that is off the menu. So, when we say that we want the kids to benefit from the social experience, what are we deluding ourselves into thinking in-building socialization will actually look like in the Fall?

“My kid is going to be left behind.”

Left behind who? The entire country is grappling with the same issue, leaving all children in the same quagmire. Who exactly would they be behind? I believe the rhetorical answer to that is “They’ll be behind where they should be,” to which I’ll counter that “where they should be” is a fictional goal post that we as a society have taken as gospel because it maps to standardized tests which are used to grade schools and counties as they chase funding.

“Classrooms are safe.”

At the current distancing guidelines from FCPS middle and high schools would have no more than 12 people (teachers + students) in a classroom (I acknowledge this number may change as FCPS considers the Commonwealth’s 3 ft with a mask vs. 6 ft position, noting that FCPS is all mask regardless of the distance). For the purpose of this discussion we’ll say classes run 45 minutes.

I posed the following question to 40 people today, representing professional and management roles in corporations, government agencies, and military commands: “Would your company or command have a 12 person, 45 minute meeting in a conference room?”

100% of them said no, they would not. These are some of their answers:

“No. Until further notice we are on Zoom.”
“(Our company) doesn’t allow us in (company space).”
“Oh hell no.”
“No absolutely not.”
“Is there a percentage lower than zero?”
“Something of that size would be virtual.”

We do not even consider putting our office employees into the same situation we are contemplating putting our children into. And let’s drive this point home: there are instances here when commanding officers will not put soldiers, ACTUAL SOLDIERS, into the kind of indoor environment we’re contemplating for our children. For me this is as close to a ‘kill shot’ argument as there is in this entire debate. How do we work from home because buildings with recycled air are not safe, because we don’t trust other people to not spread the virus, and then with the same breath send our children into buildings?

“Children only die .0016 of the time.”

First, conceding we’re an increasingly morally bankrupt society, but when did we start talking about children’s lives, or anyone’s lives, like this? This how the villain in movies talks about mortality, usually 10-15 minutes before the good guy kills him.

If you’re in this camp, and I acknowledge that many, many people are, I’m asking you to consider that number from a slightly different angle.

FCPS has 189,000 children. .0016 of that is 302. 302 dead children are the Calvary Hill you’re erecting your argument on. So, let’s agree to do this: stop presenting this as a data point. If this is your argument, I challenge you to have courage equal to your conviction. Go ahead, plant a flag on the internet and say, “Only 302 children will die.” No one will. That’s the kind action on social media that gets you fired from your job. And I trust our social media enclave isn’t so careless and irresponsible with life that it would even, for even a millisecond, enter any of your minds to make such an argument.

Considered another way: You’re presented with a bag with 189,000 $1 bills. You’re told that in the bag are 302 random bills, they look and feel just like all the others, but each one of those bills will kill you. Do you take the money out of the bag?

Same argument, applied to the 12,487 teachers in FCPS (per Wikipedia), using the ‘children’s multiplier’ of .0016 (all of us understanding the adult mortality rate is higher). That’s 20 teachers. That’s the number you’re talking about. It’s very easy to sit behind a keyboard and diminish and dismiss the risk you’re advocating other people assume. Take a breath and think about that.

If you want to advocate for 2 days a week, look, I’m looking for someone to convince me. But please, for the love of God, drop things like this from your argument. Because the people I know who’ve said things like this, I know they’re better people than this. They’re good people under incredible stress who let things slip out as their frustration boils over. So, please do the right thing and move on from this, because one potential outcome is that one day, you’re going to have to stand in front of St. Peter and answer for this, and that’s not going to be conversation you enjoy.

“Hardly any kids get COVID.”

(Deep sigh) Yes, that is statistically true as of this writing. But it is a cherry-picked argument because you’re leaving out an important piece.

One can reasonably argue that, due to the school closures in March, children have had the least EXPOSURE to COVID. In other words, closing schools was the one pandemic mitigation action we took that worked. There can be no discussion of the rate of diagnosis within children without also acknowledging they were among our fastest and most quarantined people. Put another way, you cannot cite the effect without acknowledging the cause.

“The flu kills more people every year.”

(Deep sigh). First of all, no, it doesn’t. Per the CDC, United States flu deaths average 20,000 annually. COVID, when I start writing here today, has killed 133,420 in six months.

And when you mention the flu, do you mean the disease that, if you’re suspected of having it, everyone, literally everyone in the country tells you stay the f- away from other people? You mean the one where parents are pretty sure their kids have it but send them to school anyway because they have a meeting that day, the one that every year causes massive f-ing outbreaks in schools because schools are petri dishes and it causes kids to miss weeks of school and leaves them out of sports and band for a month? That one? Because you’re right - the flu kills people every year. It does, but you’re ignoring the why. It’s because there are people who are a--holes who don’t care about infecting other people. In that regard it’s a perfect comparison to COVID.

“Almost everyone recovers.”

You’re confusing “release from the hospital” and “no longer infected” with “recovered.” I’m fortunate to only know two people who have had COVID. One my age and one my dad’s age. The one my age described it as “absolute hell” and although no longer infected cannot breathe right. The one my dad’s age was in the hospital for 13 weeks, had to have a trach ring put in because she could no longer be on a ventilator, and upon finally getting home and being faced with incalculable time in rehab told my mother, “I wish I had died.”

While I’m making every effort to reach objectivity, on this particular point, you don’t know what the f- you’re talking about.

“If people get sick, they get sick.”

First, you mistyped. What you intended to say was “If OTHER people get sick, they get sick.” And shame on you.

“I’m not going to live my life in fear.”

You already live your life in fear. For your health, your family’s health, your job, your retirement, terrorists, extremists, one political party or the other being in power, the new neighbors, an unexpected home repair, the next sunrise. What you meant to say was, “I’m not prepared to add ANOTHER fear,” and I’ve got news for you: that ship has sailed. It’s too late. There are two kinds of people, and only two: those that admit they’re afraid, and those that are lying to themselves about it.

As to the fear argument, fear is the reason you wait up when your kids stay out late, it’s the reason you tell your kids not to dive in the shallow water, to look both ways before crossing the road. Fear is the respect for the wide world that we teach our children. Except in this instance, for reasons no one has been able to explain to me yet.

“FCPS leadership sucks.”

I will summarize my view of the School Board thusly: if the 12 of you aren’t getting into a room together because it represents a risk, don’t tell me it’s OK for our kids. I understand your arguments, that we need the 2 days option for parents who can’t work from home, kids who don’t have internet or computer access, kids who needs meals from the school system, kids who need extra support to learn, and most tragically for kids who are at greater risk of abuse by being home. All very serious, all very real issues, all heartbreaking. No argument.

But you must first lead by example. Because you’re failing when it comes to optics. All your meetings are online. What our children see is all of you on a Zoom telling them it’s OK for them to be exactly where you aren’t. I understand you’re not PR people, but you really should think about hiring some.

“I talked it over with my kids.”
Let’s put aside for a moment the concept of adults effectively deferring this decision to children, the same children who will continue to stuff things into a full trash can rather than change it out. Yes, those hygienic children.

Listen, my 15 year old daughter wants a sport car, which she’s not getting next year because it would be dangerous to her and to others. Those kinds of decisions are our job. We step in and decide as parents, we don’t let them expose themselves to risks because their still developing and screen addicted brains narrow their understanding of cause and effect.

We as parents and adults serve to make difficult decisions. Sometimes those are in the form of lessons, where we try to steer kids towards the right answer and are willing to let them make a mistake in the hopes of teaching better decision making the next time around. This is not one of those moments. The stakes are too high for that. This is a “the adults are talking” moment. Kids are not mature enough for this moment. That is not an attack on your child. It is a broad statement about all children. It is true of your children and it was true when we were children. We need to be doing that thinking here, and “Johnny wants to see Bobby at school” cannot be the prevailing element in the equation.

“The teachers need to do their job.”
How is it that the same society which abruptly shifted to virtual students only three months ago, and offered glowing endorsements of teachers stating, “we finally understand how difficult your job is,” has now shifted to “screw you, do your job.” There are myriad problems with that position but for the purposes of this piece let’s simply go with, “You’re not looking for a teacher, you’re looking for the babysitter you feel your property tax payment entitles you to.”

“Teachers have a greater chance to being killed by a car than they do of dying from COVID.”

(Eye roll) Per the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), the U.S. see approximately 36,000 auto fatalities a year. Again, there have been 133,420 COVID deaths in the United States through 12:09 July 10, 2020. So no, they do not have a great chance of being killed in a car accident.

And, if you want to take the actual environment into consideration, the odds of a teacher being killed in a car accident in their classroom, you know, the environment we’re actually talking about, that’s right around 0%.

“If the grocery store workers can be onsite what are the teachers afraid of?”

(Deep breath) A grocery store worker, who absolutely risks exposure, has either six feet of space or a plexiglass shield between them and individual adult customers who can grasp their own mortality whose transactions can be completed in moments, in a 40,000 SF space.

A teacher is with 11 ‘customers’ who have not an inkling what mortality is, for 45 minutes, in a 675 SF space, six times a day.

Just stop.

“Teachers are choosing remote because they don’t want to work.”

(Deep breaths) Many teachers are opting to be remote. That is not a vacation. They’re requesting to do their job at a safer site. Just like many, many people who work in buildings with recycled air have done. And likely the building you’re not going into has a newer and better serviced air system than our schools.

Of greater interest to me is the number of teachers choosing the 100% virtual option for their children. The people who spend the most time in the buildings are the same ones electing not to send their children into those buildings. That’s something I pay attention to.

“I wasn’t prepared to be a parent 24/7” and “I just need a break.”

I truly, deeply respect that honesty. Truth be told, both arguments have crossed my mind. Pre COVID, I routinely worked from home 1 – 2 days a week. The solace was nice. When I was in the office, I had an actual office, a room with a door I could close, where I could focus. During the quarantine that hasn’t always been the case. I’ve been frustrated, I’ve been short, I’ve gone to just take a drive and get the hell away for a moment and been disgusted when one of the kids sees me and asks me to come for a ride, robbing me of those minutes of silence. You want to hear silence. I get it. I really, really do.

Here’s another version of that, admittedly extreme. What if one of our kids becomes one of the 302? What’s that silence going to sound like? What if you have one of those matted frames where you add the kid’s school picture every year? What if you don’t get to finish the pictures?

“What does your gut tell you to do?”

Shawn and I have talked ad infinitum about all of these and other points. Two days ago, at mid-discussion I said, “Stop, right now, gut answer, what is it,” and we both said, “virtual.”

A lot of the arguments I hear people making for the 2 days sound like we’re trying to talk ourselves into ignoring our instincts, they are almost exclusively, “We’re doing 2 days, but…”. There’s a fantastic book by Gavin de Becker, The Gift of Fear, which I’ll minimize for you thusly: your gut instinct is a hardwired part of your brain and you should listen to it. In the introduction he talks about elevators, and how, of all living things, humans are the only ones that would voluntarily get into a soundproof steel box with a potential predator just so they could skip a flight of stairs.

I keep thinking that the 2 days option is the soundproof steel box. I welcome, damn, beg, anyone to convince me otherwise.

At the time I started writing at 12:09 PM, 133,420 Americans had died from COVID. Upon completing this draft at 7:04 PM, that number rose to 133,940.

520 Americans died of COVID while I was working on this. In seven hours.

The length of a school day.

Posted 7/11/20 4:43 PM
 
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I am pretty sure I am worlds crappiest parent. After reading that, I still 100% stand by my desire to have my children in school, and for me to be teaching my students in person.

Posted 7/11/20 4:56 PM
 

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Posted by Naturalmama

I am pretty sure I am worlds crappiest parent. After reading that, I still 100% stand by my desire to have my children in school, and for me to be teaching my students in person.



Same. I read the whole argument. To me the risks outweigh the benefits.

Posted 7/11/20 5:01 PM
 

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Glad someone finally put it out there. Barring a miracle or a change of heart, history will not and should not treat these decisions kindly.

Posted 7/11/20 7:38 PM
 

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Posted by seaside

Glad someone finally put it out there. Barring a miracle or a change of heart, history will not and should not treat these decisions kindly.



People have made up their minds and there is no way of changing them. Its a pointless argument at this point.

Posted 7/11/20 8:56 PM
 

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Posted by RainyDay

Posted by seaside

Glad someone finally put it out there. Barring a miracle or a change of heart, history will not and should not treat these decisions kindly.



People have made up their minds and there is no way of changing them. Its a pointless argument at this point.



Not trying to change anyone's mind. But the spreading of lies, faux, passive aggressive outrage, and ideas like the one that masks are bad for people with the virus because it can't be expelled properly?

Individual speakers are not significant. But every now and then, decency compels us, and the author of that brilliant post above, to stop and proclaim that the lies people are telling themselves and others are magical thinking and not benign. They are dangerous.

Posted 7/12/20 8:13 AM
 

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Back To School

As we get closer to the beginning of school, I waiver back and forth.

I am a teacher. My students last year overall had great success, but I teach highly motivated 9th graders. They can do the work at home independently. They teach out for help when they need it. They can provide me with honest feedback about what works and what doesn’t work

My son is going into 1st. He needs my help with everything. He obviously can’t read things like emails unless they contain sight words and simple tap it out words. Last year, his end of year learning experience was eh. The teacher did what she could but it mostly fell on me. My district is having two forums about what next year will look like. I will be incredibly vocal if I feel like next year will be similar to March-June as I did not feel like it was adequate. I am okay with online learning if his teacher really steps up to the plate and owns it. Like daily online instruction - live. Small group meeting to track progress, etc.

Posted 7/12/20 8:35 AM
 

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Re: Back To School

This is an opinion piece and clearly not accurate. I don't know exactly what day it was written but that many people didn't die in the time it took to write that. It sounds like the daily toll was updated whenever this person happened to look. Writing an opinion piece to rebuff other peoples opinions is fine, if you're going to actually do that. This "author" makes really intelligent arguments by saying things like "Just stop."
Lol ok good point Chat Icon

It's not my fault our district dropped the ball. Actually our district was great in terms of making sure everyone had the resources for remote learning. I believe it was the individual teachers that decided to copy and paste a couple videos a week and expect those to take the place of actually teaching my kid.

Maybe if they all did a better job, so many people wouldn't be against remote learning. My kids teacher did 2 google meets (with the entire class) the whole 3 months we were out. No individual meetings, she posted the lesson everyday by the required time in google classroom, but that was it. She left everything to the parents and some random videos she found online.

We have about 15 kids in the class. She could have done a google meeting once a week, with 3 kids per day, for 20 mins each and still only spent 1-2 hrs per day working. My kid didn't hear his own teachers voice until the end of June during the 2 google meetings for the kids to say goodbye to each other. I have every right to be pissed and demand more from my kids school. In any other profession, if you were told to work from home and didn't actually get your work done, you'd be fired.

My kids need to be in school or taught in person. I'm not giving remote learning another chance. I will pay a private teacher. It's not going to be my kids that get behind. I have the means to make sure they are learning. It makes me sad for all the kids and the parents that can't afford that.

If you're opening day cares for all the kids that have working parents, the kids might as well be in school. You won't convince me otherwise. The kids will come into contact with way more people (kids and adults) by forcing them into day care for half the week. That's common sense. It's better for them to see the same exact people every day for 5 days in a row.

Message edited 7/12/2020 8:58:06 AM.

Posted 7/12/20 8:37 AM
 

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Back To School

I think the writer makes a good point that kids want to go back because they think it’ll be like last September. Fun, carefree, playing in PE, running around at recess, socializing with friends. My kids definitely think that, and no matter how much I try to explain it to them I don’t think their young brains can comprehend what everything is going to look like.

The beginning of this year is going to feel like prison, and I hope both parents/administrators are aware that there are going to be a LOT of kids that are very upset. Either totally refusing to go to school or being very stressed out and upset while they’re there. Especially the K-5 set.

I can’t imagine having an incoming Kindergartener right now. They’re going to have a very poor opinion of school for a long time.

Posted 7/12/20 8:50 AM
 

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Back To School

I think it's easy for someone with children in 8th and 10th grade to have such strong opinions about school remaining closed.

Posted 7/12/20 9:25 AM
 

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Re: Back To School

Posted by SecretlyTTC14

This is an opinion piece and clearly not accurate. I don't know exactly what day it was written but that many people didn't die in the time it took to write that. It sounds like the daily toll was updated whenever this person happened to look. Writing an opinion piece to rebuff other peoples opinions is fine, if you're going to actually do that. This "author" makes really intelligent arguments by saying things like "Just stop."
Lol ok good point Chat Icon

It's not my fault our district dropped the ball. Actually our district was great in terms of making sure everyone had the resources for remote learning. I believe it was the individual teachers that decided to copy and paste a couple videos a week and expect those to take the place of actually teaching my kid.

Maybe if they all did a better job, so many people wouldn't be against remote learning. My kids teacher did 2 google meets (with the entire class) the whole 3 months we were out. No individual meetings, she posted the lesson everyday by the required time in google classroom, but that was it. She left everything to the parents and some random videos she found online.

We have about 15 kids in the class. She could have done a google meeting once a week, with 3 kids per day, for 20 mins each and still only spent 1-2 hrs per day working. My kid didn't hear his own teachers voice until the end of June during the 2 google meetings for the kids to say goodbye to each other. I have every right to be pissed and demand more from my kids school. In any other profession, if you were told to work from home and didn't actually get your work done, you'd be fired.

My kids need to be in school or taught in person. I'm not giving remote learning another chance. I will pay a private teacher. It's not going to be my kids that get behind. I have the means to make sure they are learning. It makes me sad for all the kids and the parents that can't afford that.

If you're opening day cares for all the kids that have working parents, the kids might as well be in school. You won't convince me otherwise. The kids will come into contact with way more people (kids and adults) by forcing them into day care for half the week. That's common sense. It's better for them to see the same exact people every day for 5 days in a row.



Same (even the two Google meets for my younger son - although my older son had more)

Posted 7/12/20 9:35 AM
 

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Re: Back To School

Posted by SecretlyTTC14

This is an opinion piece and clearly not accurate. I don't know exactly what day it was written but that many people didn't die in the time it took to write that. It sounds like the daily toll was updated whenever this person happened to look. Writing an opinion piece to rebuff other peoples opinions is fine, if you're going to actually do that. This "author" makes really intelligent arguments by saying things like "Just stop."
Lol ok good point Chat Icon

It's not my fault our district dropped the ball. Actually our district was great in terms of making sure everyone had the resources for remote learning. I believe it was the individual teachers that decided to copy and paste a couple videos a week and expect those to take the place of actually teaching my kid.

Maybe if they all did a better job, so many people wouldn't be against remote learning. My kids teacher did 2 google meets (with the entire class) the whole 3 months we were out. No individual meetings, she posted the lesson everyday by the required time in google classroom, but that was it. She left everything to the parents and some random videos she found online.

We have about 15 kids in the class. She could have done a google meeting once a week, with 3 kids per day, for 20 mins each and still only spent 1-2 hrs per day working. My kid didn't hear his own teachers voice until the end of June during the 2 google meetings for the kids to say goodbye to each other. I have every right to be pissed and demand more from my kids school. In any other profession, if you were told to work from home and didn't actually get your work done, you'd be fired.

My kids need to be in school or taught in person. I'm not giving remote learning another chance. I will pay a private teacher. It's not going to be my kids that get behind. I have the means to make sure they are learning. It makes me sad for all the kids and the parents that can't afford that.

If you're opening day cares for all the kids that have working parents, the kids might as well be in school. You won't convince me otherwise. The kids will come into contact with way more people (kids and adults) by forcing them into day care for half the week. That's common sense. It's better for them to see the same exact people every day for 5 days in a row.



Yes, it's an opinion piece but her facts are fine. We have been hovering at just under 1,000 Covid deaths per day. Seeing a 520 rise in 7 hours is reasonable depending on when and how the numbers are reported.

She makes a lot of good points. When the idiot that runs Florida said something about "if we can open Home Depot we can open schools" I wanted to punch him. Not remotely the same. Everyone is on top of each other in a school. Even in high school. It's impossible not to get into close proximity with a student when you are pointing things out in a piece of writing, giving feedback, helping students learn how to use a map, a calculator, etc. I could go on. And I'm not even talking about the students on top of students yet. They are all over each other at all ages. I see it all the time. Sure, changes could be made but these comparisons to retail stores are BS.

I think criticisms of distance learning are more than fair. I've mentioned this in other threads but I saw both extremes. My work school was amazing - tons of live instruction from the very beginning - and my home district stunk. In a way, it made me madder because I knew firsthand what was possible. That said, everyone was thrown into the fire, and my home district got a lot of feedback about the lack of live instruction and they're rectifying that. I'd rather give it another chance and hold their feet to the fire than risk lives.

I am not sure how I feel. A week ago I was more comfortable with them going back (based on what my school suggested) but since then I've read more (not just this thing) including what the aftereffects look like in people who have recovered. I've also spoken to a few people recovering firsthand (7 teachers in my school had it.) It's scary. And I'm not an overly scared parent by any means when it comes to other decisions.

My son is playing travel ball right now. They've actually been practicing for a while, in small groups at first, and they just started games. No cases. If all school could be outside, I'd be down. But it doesn't work that way.

As torn as I am and some others are it's all moot anyway. If school decides to open I don't really have a choice but to send him. Plus, I think we'll all be home by November the latest as the virus spreads. So I think regardless of what happens in September we'll see what schools have to offer for remote learning eventually.

Posted 7/12/20 10:21 AM
 

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Back To School

I bounce back and forth as well. Some weeks I'm like yes all back and other weeks I'm all for a hybrid option. My daughter is in school now because she gets Extended School Year. Everyone is doing fantastic but that is because they limited the class to 5 kids and are spread out across a whole school. I can't see how all kids can be in school and be safe.

I wish people would stop with the following:
Malls are open, schools should be open. They are absolutely not the same thing so stop comparing.
Kids go to daycare so it is the same thing as school. No it's not. Daycares still need to social distance and no school would have enough teachers to teach every child if they halved the classes nor is there room.
Keep bringing up the Spring Distance Learning. Every district realizes they had a shit show in the spring. To keep harping on it is meaningless. Focus on what plans they will have in place for the Fall which most likely will be entirely different.
People thinking this decision is easy. It is not. I sit on my districts Task Force and the amount of information that is coming through and the amount of different items that need to be thought through for every single decision is unbelievable.

This is very hard time for everyone. I really wish everyone (not just this group) just takes a breath and thinks about the greater picture and stops focusing so much on the minute details they have no control over.

Posted 7/12/20 12:31 PM
 
 

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