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klingklang77
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Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Yes, it’s legal. It falls under the ABC law. Under 16 they need to be with a parent or guardian or adult. I mean think about it, How many times did you go to clubs and got wrist bands if you were over 21. I spent plenty of time in bars after I turned 18 without drinking, but I worked in the industry.
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by GoldenRod
I'm trying to find the actual law, but this is a post from Bill Crowley, a spokesman for the State Liquor Authority:
https://poststar.com/news/opinion/columns/answers-please/law-doesnt-ban-kids-in-the-bar/article_5a14a362-93a2-11e0-8b0a-001cc4c002e0.html
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New York does not prohibit minors from going into places where alcohol is served, regardless of their age. The only rule regarding minors at bars is that children under age 16 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian, he said.
There is no distinction in state law between types of bars, whether they serve food or not, or what time kids are allowed to be in them.
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Still, just because state law does not prohibit kids from going into bars doesn't mean children can go into any tavern they want any time they want. Individual establishments are allowed to set their own rules prohibiting or restricting children's access, Crowley said.
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So basically, NY State may allow it, but every establishment can have their own additional rules, so the only way to find out is to call.
That's interesting. I was in a bar once, with a back room with tables, where they served food, and they told a group they had to leave because they were a bar , not a restaurant, so they couldn't allow babies. They weren't even in the room where the actual bar was.
They tried to make it sound like it was a law, not their own rule. Unless there is an additional NYC rule.
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| Posted 11/17/20 4:53 AM |
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KarenK122
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Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Minors are allowed to sit in a bar as long as they are with an adult or guardian as long as some sort of food is served. They just can't order a drink. The individual establishment may have their own stricter rules which you would have to call the bar to find out.
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| Posted 11/17/20 5:17 AM |
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Diane
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by KarenK122
Minors are allowed to sit in a bar as long as they are with an adult or guardian as long as some sort of food is served. They just can't order a drink. The individual establishment may have their own stricter rules which you would have to call the bar to find out.
I have always been told to move from the bar when I have my kids with me.They are 14 and look older because they are tall for their age.
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| Posted 11/17/20 7:25 PM |
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mema2012
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by KarenK122
Minors are allowed to sit in a bar as long as they are with an adult or guardian as long as some sort of food is served. They just can't order a drink. The individual establishment may have their own stricter rules which you would have to call the bar to find out.
I think this is the answer.
I’ve eaten at bars of restaurants with older teenagers and never had a problem. Last year had an amazing dinner at Gramercy Tavern with my 16 yo niece.
OP-I hope you had a nice night out with your nephew!
ETA: Ive always just called ahead to check
Just to clarify...we ate at the bar at Gramercy
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| Posted 11/17/20 7:32 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by mema2012
Posted by KarenK122
Minors are allowed to sit in a bar as long as they are with an adult or guardian as long as some sort of food is served. They just can't order a drink. The individual establishment may have their own stricter rules which you would have to call the bar to find out.
I think this is the answer.
I’ve eaten at bars of restaurants with older teenagers and never had a problem. Last year had an amazing dinner at Gramercy Tavern with my 16 yo niece.
OP-I hope you had a nice night out with your nephew!
ETA: Ive always just called ahead to check
Maybe if this was updated we can all know and not just assume.
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| Posted 11/17/20 7:48 PM |
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lululu
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
She wasn't asking if they could sit IN the bar. She was asking if they can sit AT THE BAR. Every bar I have been to you needed to be 21 to sit AT THE BAR. Tables around the bar, tables in the bar... all fine for kids. Sitting at the bar on a bar stool was not allowed. I am pretty sure that was a law, not a restaurant by restaurant rule.
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| Posted 11/17/20 10:02 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
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| Posted 11/17/20 10:37 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by GoldenRod
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
I also think that some restaurants and bars don't want minors at the bar because they are taking a seat away from a customer who will purchase alcohol.
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| Posted 11/17/20 10:39 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by GoldenRod
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
I stand corrected.... But most of the information people were posting related to sitting in the bar instead of at the bar. Yes I just looked it up and you can sit at the bar. Every bar I have been to said no kids sitting at the bar though.
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| Posted 11/17/20 10:45 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
I stand corrected.... But most of the information people were posting related to sitting in the bar instead of at the bar. Yes I just looked it up and you can sit at the bar. Every bar I have been to said no kids sitting at the bar though.
Thank you - yes, my question was about sitting at the bar, not in the bar area.
And for valentine who is hell bent on me providing an answer, even though she chastised me for asking something that could so easily be googled, when I called the restaurant to ask, I was put on hold because the person who answered the phone didn't know the answer to my question. He never came back to the phone, so I hung up and went elsewhere. So, if you really want to know the answer, you can research it yourself
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| Posted 11/17/20 10:51 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
I stand corrected.... But most of the information people were posting related to sitting in the bar instead of at the bar. Yes I just looked it up and you can sit at the bar. Every bar I have been to said no kids sitting at the bar though.
Thank you - yes, my question was about sitting at the bar, not in the bar area.
And for valentine who is hell bent on me providing an answer, even though she chastised me for asking something that could so easily be googled, when I called the restaurant to ask, I was put on hold because the person who answered the phone didn't know the answer to my question. He never came back to the phone, so I hung up and went elsewhere. So, if you really want to know the answer, you can research it yourself
You were probably better off going elsewhere as anytime my kids have wandered up and sat at the bar they have been told they are not allowed, including at the private club we belong to, which you would think would be more lenient.
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| Posted 11/18/20 12:28 PM |
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
I stand corrected.... But most of the information people were posting related to sitting in the bar instead of at the bar. Yes I just looked it up and you can sit at the bar. Every bar I have been to said no kids sitting at the bar though.
Thank you - yes, my question was about sitting at the bar, not in the bar area.
And for valentine who is hell bent on me providing an answer, even though she chastised me for asking something that could so easily be googled, when I called the restaurant to ask, I was put on hold because the person who answered the phone didn't know the answer to my question. He never came back to the phone, so I hung up and went elsewhere. So, if you really want to know the answer, you can research it yourself
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Re: Bar seating at a restaurant - under 21?
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
According to the NY State ABC Laws, and according to the spokesperson for the NY State Liquor Authority, there are no State laws prohibiting a minor from sitting at a bar, as long as they are with a parent or a guardian. It doesn't matter if there is food served at the bar or not, or anywhere in the establishment.
However, every restaurant/bar can add their own requirements. It's so much easier to just make a rule that you can't have minors at the bar. At a table, the server can card everyone, and then keep track of who is a minor. At the bar, it's much harder.
Since there is no law preventing minors from sitting at the bar, but each place can make their own rules, it is important to call ahead. If there was a State law, then it would be easy. With a law prohibiting it, you wouldn't need to call, it would be universal among all bars.
Any restrictions that anyone experienced was that restaurant establishing its own rules, which is perfectly acceptable.
I stand corrected.... But most of the information people were posting related to sitting in the bar instead of at the bar. Yes I just looked it up and you can sit at the bar. Every bar I have been to said no kids sitting at the bar though.
Thank you - yes, my question was about sitting at the bar, not in the bar area.
And for valentine who is hell bent on me providing an answer, even though she chastised me for asking something that could so easily be googled, when I called the restaurant to ask, I was put on hold because the person who answered the phone didn't know the answer to my question. He never came back to the phone, so I hung up and went elsewhere. So, if you really want to know the answer, you can research it yourself
Thanks. Sounds like it may vary from place to place so if it ever comes up, I will call. Hope you had a good rime otherwise :)
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