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Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
A little variety in topic today:
I was scrolling social media this week and came across the news about Marilyn Manson and the country star who used a racial slur. Lately there have been so many celebrity scandals and the industry is quick to call out abusers/racists, which is a huge improvement from years past. However, there are always fans that will stand by these people and it boggles my mind (reminds me of the people who were so upset that the statue of Joe Paterno was taken down).
I get liking a celebrity, but I don't understand why anyone excuses bad behavior just because these people are famous. People are literally threatening to murder Evan Rachel Wood for screwing with their idol. I grew up loving the Cosby Show, but I now know that Bill Cosby is a pig and I would never justify his raping so many woman.
Why do we as a society justify abhorrent behavior as long as these people are famous?
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
i think that a part of us takes it personally... we loved these people, we quoted them, we re-posted what they put out in the world, we really enjoyed their art (movies, music, etc) and we don't want to be told that we were, in part, duped.
we don't want to admit that we were wrong to support these people, so we go into denial about whatever it is they did wrong.
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Funkybutt
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Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
I think there is less tolerance for it, but it is weird that people pick and choose whom they want to cancel.
A friend of mine is rather feminist, yet she keeps posting photos of David Bowie - who notoriously slept with underaged girls (13/14 yo) throughout the 70s.
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NervousNell
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
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amac27
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by Funkybutt
I think there is less tolerance for it, but it is weird that people pick and choose whom they want to cancel.
A friend of mine is rather feminist, yet she keeps posting photos of David Bowie - who notoriously slept with underaged girls (13/14 yo) throughout the 70s.
The same for Paul Walker. He had a relationship with a 16 year old when he was in his thirties.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by NervousNell
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
this.
even as a kid, i never had celebrity posters or images on my books, folders, etc. i don't understand the extent to which people go.
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lululu
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by NervousNell
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
I feel exactly the same as you but I do know (personally not thru reading about them) some celebrities that do actually care about their fan base and are appreciative of their fans. But even still I can not imagine caring about someone who has no idea I even exist...
ETA: also I can not understand being obsessed with a sports team and actually caring if they win or lose.
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Posted by NervousNell
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
I feel exactly the same as you but I do know (personally not thru reading about them) some celebrities that do actually care about their fan base and are appreciative of their fans. But even still I can not imagine caring about someone who has no idea I even exist...
ETA: also I can not understand being obsessed with a sports team and actually caring if they win or lose.
Yes I am sure there are plenty of celebs who are wonderful, giving and charitable people and who are appreciative of their fans. I just can't see getting so obsessed over a stranger- like you said.
I find it so bizarre
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Back to the original post though I do think that people take things too far. I love Dave Chappelles comedy special where he brings up how things will get dug up from 15 years ago and now everyone is supposed to hate you for something you did a long time ago and have apologized for.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
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Posted by NervousNell
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
I feel exactly the same as you but I do know (personally not thru reading about them) some celebrities that do actually care about their fan base and are appreciative of their fans. But even still I can not imagine caring about someone who has no idea I even exist...
ETA: also I can not understand being obsessed with a sports team and actually caring if they win or lose.
Yes I am sure there are plenty of celebs who are wonderful, giving and charitable people and who are appreciative of their fans. I just can't see getting so obsessed over a stranger- like you said.
I find it so bizarre
I also always think about those things - like if you could win a lunch/dinner/happy hour with a celebrity. Why would you want to? What would you talk about? Just seems so odd....
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by NervousNell
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
ITA with you.
Unfortunately, seems like *most* celebrities have some serious skeletons in their closet.
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JennP
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
"Cancel culture" is a term coined by people who are angry they are being held responsible for their actions.
They love capitalism until it bites them in the ass.
I do think if someone apologized and has done things to make amends that could be a different story. But usually people are just sorry they got caught.
Posted by NervousNell
I find celebrity obsession sad, actually.
You are worshipping someone who would likely not give you the time of day in the real world.
I feel like people who get so overly obsessed with celebs are missing real connections in their lives.
I personally couldn't give a shitt about ANY celeb. I may like their work, find them talented, etc, but that's as far as it goes.
ITA with this. I never understood celebrity obsessions, particularly over celebrity deaths. If they're young or whatever I get that but I was in a coffee shop when the news broke about Prince's death and this guy started crying about it and I thought it was kind of bizarre.
Off the top of my head I can only think of two real celebrity deaths that moved me - Robin Williams and Princess Diana. But I didn't lose it or anything. Just felt sad, especially for William and Harry.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by JennP
I do think if someone apologized and has done things to make amends that could be a different story. But usually people are just sorry they got caught.
ITA. While nothing will make these things okay and the excuse "times were different" is flimsy at best, people change and grow and learn. I wouldn't want to be raked over the coals for the dumb things I said and did when I was in my teens and early twenties. Granted, I was never racist or violent or abusive, but you get my point.
ETA: I don't include sexual assault in this. There is nothing in my mind that can redeem someone from that. I mean mostly saying stupid things.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by JennP
I do think if someone apologized and has done things to make amends that could be a different story. But usually people are just sorry they got caught.
ITA. While nothing will make these things okay and the excuse "times were different" is flimsy at best, people change and grow and learn. I wouldn't want to be raked over the coals for the dumb things I said and did when I was in my teens and early twenties. Granted, I was never racist or violent or abusive, but you get my point.
ETA: I don't include sexual assault in this. There is nothing in my mind that can redeem someone from that. I mean mostly saying stupid things.
It's interesting how some people can get a pass and some don't. I agree about sexual assault - there is NEVER an excuse - no matter what age. But I also think the same about violence - not sure why Chris Brown was so hated for a while, yet now he's back on top again.
I also agree that there's a difference between acting like a dumb "kid" - like Justin Beiber's song "Lonely", and people having their true nature shine thru like Mel Gibson's "sugar t1ts" and racist remarks.
Comedians are a grey area. I think that most of the time you can tell when someone is being funny as a persona, like Anthony Jeselnik, but then Roseann and Michael Richards (from Seinfeld) say racist things and try to hide behind humor.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by Funkybutt
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Posted by JennP
I do think if someone apologized and has done things to make amends that could be a different story. But usually people are just sorry they got caught.
ITA. While nothing will make these things okay and the excuse "times were different" is flimsy at best, people change and grow and learn. I wouldn't want to be raked over the coals for the dumb things I said and did when I was in my teens and early twenties. Granted, I was never racist or violent or abusive, but you get my point.
ETA: I don't include sexual assault in this. There is nothing in my mind that can redeem someone from that. I mean mostly saying stupid things.
It's interesting how some people can get a pass and some don't. I agree about sexual assault - there is NEVER an excuse - no matter what age. But I also think the same about violence - not sure why Chris Brown was so hated for a while, yet now he's back on top again.
I also agree that there's a difference between acting like a dumb "kid" - like Justin Beiber's song "Lonely", and people having their true nature shine thru like Mel Gibson's "sugar t1ts" and racist remarks.
Comedians are a grey area. I think that most of the time you can tell when someone is being funny as a persona, like Anthony Jeselnik, but then Roseann and Michael Richards (from Seinfeld) say racist things and try to hide behind humor.
100% I was actually thinking about Justin Bieber when I posted. He was a dumb kid who was given fame and money at a young age and thrust in the spotlight. I KNOW I wouldn't have handled it well. Totally agree about Chris Brown, too.
ETA: Not to turn this post political, but I was also thinking about Joe Biden and him backing some questionable policies in the past. But I don't think that defines him.
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Funkybutt
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ETA: Not to turn this post political, but I was also thinking about Joe Biden and him backing some questionable policies in the past. But I don't think that defines him.
I think there's a difference between doing what you think might be the solution politically (don't ask don't tell) and not really understanding what the long term effect would be. There were obviously a lot of policies that white men put in place in the 80s and 90s that were shown to be problematic, but thankfully are (slowly) being corrected over time.
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Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
I'm a fan of Marilyn Manson and my opinion on his matter and anyone else, is its hearsay till proof come out that your guilty. Now with the country star, he was caught on video so there is no better proof than that. I do hate it though when for example with Marilyns case, everyone starts to side with the person who said he did these things but yet has no proof. Or the people who come about and say "yeah they are a bad person and i knew about it this entire time"....Yeah so why you didnt you say anything back then?
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
I'm likely not going to have a popular opinion here but I give people who make poor choices in their 20's a pass. Obviously some things are not forgivable - like sexual assault or domestic violence- but when celebrities (and even non-celebrities) act out or say something stupid or inappropriate, I don't believe their whole life and career should be tanked over a stupid decision made so young.
How many of us get the shame shivers when you think of some things you did in your 20's? I thank God every day there was no social media. Granted, I was not a public figure with a heightened level of social responsibility but still. Many of these people have no guidance, boat loads of money, crappy people influencing and encouraging them...it's a recipe for disaster.
On the other hand, I hold the older celebrities to a much higher standard. I can not believe anyone would support anything Woody Allen makes. He's a disgusting person. Mel Gibson? Nope. Roseann? Nope. Jussie Smollett? Nope. Kevin Spacey? Nope. R. Kelly? HELL NO. And I know this is not political but I have a hard time understanding how Bill Clinton remains some cherished part of our history. He's a total pig.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by FirstMate
I'm likely not going to have a popular opinion here but I give people who make poor choices in their 20's a pass. Obviously some things are not forgivable - like sexual assault or domestic violence- but when celebrities (and even non-celebrities) act out or say something stupid or inappropriate, I don't believe their whole life and career should be tanked over a stupid decision made so young.
How many of us get the shame shivers when you think of some things you did in your 20's? I thank God every day there was no social media. Granted, I was not a public figure with a heightened level of social responsibility but still. Many of these people have no guidance, boat loads of money, crappy people influencing and encouraging them...it's a recipe for disaster.
On the other hand, I hold the older celebrities to a much higher standard. I can not believe anyone would support anything Woody Allen makes. He's a disgusting person. Mel Gibson? Nope. Roseann? Nope. Jussie Smollett? Nope. Kevin Spacey? Nope. R. Kelly? HELL NO. And I know this is not political but I have a hard time understanding how Bill Clinton remains some cherished part of our history. He's a total pig.
I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. The Bill Clinton thing AMAZES me!!!
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I saw Marilyn Manson at an after party when they opened for NIN in the 90s at Roseland. He basically was just trying anything on groupies. You may think they are different, but a lot of them are pigs. His opening act kind of sucked anyway.
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i will say that i thought marilyn manson's exes (mainly deeta von teese) were doing a huge disservice to the victims and subtly victim shaming. i realize it's probably antifeminist to say that. but in coming out sand saying "i did not experience this but i am sorry others did and he was a totally nice guy when i was with him" undermines the validity and seriousness of the alleged abuse the victims suffered. if an ex wants to say, "i didn't experience any abuse" that's all they need to say, or better yet, keep quiet and stay out of the fray if you have nothing of purpose to add.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by MrsWoods
I'm a fan of Marilyn Manson and my opinion on his matter and anyone else, is its hearsay till proof come out that your guilty. Now with the country star, he was caught on video so there is no better proof than that. I do hate it though when for example with Marilyns case, everyone starts to side with the person who said he did these things but yet has no proof. Or the people who come about and say "yeah they are a bad person and i knew about it this entire time"....Yeah so why you didnt you say anything back then?
It is not one person, it's multiple people. One of his own sound technicians confirmed it. As to why people didn't say anything, they feared retaliation, loss of income, and/ or victim shaming.
This always happens when a victim of rape or abuse comes forward- "why didn't you say anything back then?"
Does the fact that they were abused years ago makes it any less valid or disgusting?
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Posted by FirstMate
I'm likely not going to have a popular opinion here but I give people who make poor choices in their 20's a pass. Obviously some things are not forgivable - like sexual assault or domestic violence- but when celebrities (and even non-celebrities) act out or say something stupid or inappropriate, I don't believe their whole life and career should be tanked over a stupid decision made so young.
How many of us get the shame shivers when you think of some things you did in your 20's? I thank God every day there was no social media. Granted, I was not a public figure with a heightened level of social responsibility but still. Many of these people have no guidance, boat loads of money, crappy people influencing and encouraging them...it's a recipe for disaster.
On the other hand, I hold the older celebrities to a much higher standard. I can not believe anyone would support anything Woody Allen makes. He's a disgusting person. Mel Gibson? Nope. Roseann? Nope. Jussie Smollett? Nope. Kevin Spacey? Nope. R. Kelly? HELL NO. And I know this is not political but I have a hard time understanding how Bill Clinton remains some cherished part of our history. He's a total pig.
Yup yup yup 100%
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
Posted by mrsrainbow
i will say that i thought marilyn manson's exes (mainly deeta von teese) were doing a huge disservice to the victims and subtly victim shaming. i realize it's probably antifeminist to say that. but in coming out sand saying "i did not experience this but i am sorry others did and he was a totally nice guy when i was with him" undermines the validity and seriousness of the alleged abuse the victims suffered. if an ex wants to say, "i didn't experience any abuse" that's all they need to say, or better yet, keep quiet and stay out of the fray if you have nothing of purpose to add.
Evan is the reason why her marriage with him went to divorce. Dita and Marilyn are friends now and she is friends with his current wife so that is the reason she said it in the tone it came out.
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Re: Celebrity Obsessions and Cancel Culture
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I'm a fan of Marilyn Manson and my opinion on his matter and anyone else, is its hearsay till proof come out that your guilty. Now with the country star, he was caught on video so there is no better proof than that. I do hate it though when for example with Marilyns case, everyone starts to side with the person who said he did these things but yet has no proof. Or the people who come about and say "yeah they are a bad person and i knew about it this entire time"....Yeah so why you didnt you say anything back then?
It is not one person, it's multiple people. One of his own sound technicians confirmed it. As to why people didn't say anything, they feared retaliation, loss of income, and/ or victim shaming.
This always happens when a victim of rape or abuse comes forward- "why didn't you say anything back then?"
Does the fact that they were abused years ago makes it any less valid or disgusting?
Anyone can jump in and say anything doesn't mean its all facts. Not saying none of its true but there may be some that are looking for a hand out or their name in the press too.
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