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comment on the author on Oprah
I heard this morning on the radio about yesterdays oprah. I cant help but see the commentators view regarding putting this author back on TV. It seems like bringing him back actually gave him more publicity even if its negative attention it still is MORE publicity. Now this man has much more attention focused on his book and like the commentator stated more attention brings in more $$$. Anyone agree or disagree???
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
what did they guy do that was so wrong???? i didnt watch oprah yesterday...
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PrincessP
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Oh Sorry. This is what I know so far. He wrote a book that turned out to be alot of lies that turned out on the best sellers list. I know Oprah gave him major publicity but now feels lied to and betrayed bc it was all a lie. If I am at all wrong, some one correct me. But I do see the radio commentators view that her bringing him on and "thinking" she humiliated him back only gave him more publicity.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
You are absolutely correct about what happened and I also agree that the publicity is publicity, no matter what kind.
I do see Oprah's point - This guy has betrayed many with his lies. I am glad now that I never read the book.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
After watching the interview I don't think that he came off as poorly as Oprah.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by girlygrl33
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
I agree.... there are so many books that arent true...
Also- wasnt this guy into drugs????? For all we know this is what he may have felt he witnessed or went through...who knows what things he imagined through an addicts eyes...
(I really dont know too much about the book...but EVERYONE at work was talking about this today...)
I just couldnt agree more... its a book.... whether he emblished or not...he still wrote a great story right?
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by Princessmaris
Posted by girlygrl33
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
I agree.... there are so many books that arent true...
Also- wasnt this guy into drugs????? For all we know this is what he may have felt he witnessed or went through...who knows what things he imagined through an addicts eyes...
(I really dont know too much about the book...but EVERYONE at work was talking about this today...)
I just couldnt agree more... its a book.... whether he emblished or not...he still wrote a great story right?
No..thats so not the point. The book was labeled a memoir..whihc is a true story, it was 50% complete lies.
When I read a memoir Im trusting the author is telling us his life story, not make it up. It has NO impact if its just fiction.
If it were fiction, I wouldnt have bought it....So I was duped out of my money IMO
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Princessmaris
Posted by girlygrl33
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
I agree.... there are so many books that arent true...
Also- wasnt this guy into drugs????? For all we know this is what he may have felt he witnessed or went through...who knows what things he imagined through an addicts eyes...
(I really dont know too much about the book...but EVERYONE at work was talking about this today...)
I just couldnt agree more... its a book.... whether he emblished or not...he still wrote a great story right?
No..thats so not the point. The book was labeled a memoir..whihc is a true story, it was 50% complete lies.
When I read a memoir Im trusting the author is telling us his life story, not make it up. It has NO impact if its just fiction.
If it were fiction, I wouldnt have bought it....So I was duped out of my money IMO
Yes- a memoir is supposed to be a true story about the person- he is a LIAR
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
I have to say that at first I was not upset about the embellishments of the story and didn't think it affected the overall story. Since then, though, I have tried to read "My Friend Leonard" and am having an extremely difficult time with it because I have the whole lie thing in the back of my mind. Also, when it was just a couple of things I didn't mind so much. Now it seems like he doesn't remember 80% of what did and didn't happen - how is that a memoir.
I am very disappointed in the whole thing, but I do agree that Oprah probably gave him more publicity and generated more sales than anything.
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heidla
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
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Posted by Princessmaris
Posted by girlygrl33
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
I agree.... there are so many books that arent true...
Also- wasnt this guy into drugs????? For all we know this is what he may have felt he witnessed or went through...who knows what things he imagined through an addicts eyes...
(I really dont know too much about the book...but EVERYONE at work was talking about this today...)
I just couldnt agree more... its a book.... whether he emblished or not...he still wrote a great story right?
No..thats so not the point. The book was labeled a memoir..whihc is a true story, it was 50% complete lies.
When I read a memoir Im trusting the author is telling us his life story, not make it up. It has NO impact if its just fiction.
If it were fiction, I wouldnt have bought it....So I was duped out of my money IMO
Yes- a memoir is supposed to be a true story about the person- he is a LIAR
This is where one's personal opinion comes into play. To me a memoir is the recollections of whomever the author may be. It is not found under the history section. Frank McCourt's "Angela's Ashes" is an extrmemly moving work, but how am I to know that every single detail that he describes is soild fact? It is his memories of how his story goes. I am sure that all of us have at times remembered past incidents differently then others and have (gasp) even embellished a story to make more of a point.
Did he fabricate? Yes, absolutely. Was he a drug addict who has come through his addiction? Yes. Did he use artistic license? Absolutely. Does that make the point of his novel obsolete? Not for me.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by heidla
Posted by THEINFAMOUSMRS.OTG
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Princessmaris
Posted by girlygrl33
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
I agree.... there are so many books that arent true...
Also- wasnt this guy into drugs????? For all we know this is what he may have felt he witnessed or went through...who knows what things he imagined through an addicts eyes...
(I really dont know too much about the book...but EVERYONE at work was talking about this today...)
I just couldnt agree more... its a book.... whether he emblished or not...he still wrote a great story right?
No..thats so not the point. The book was labeled a memoir..whihc is a true story, it was 50% complete lies.
When I read a memoir Im trusting the author is telling us his life story, not make it up. It has NO impact if its just fiction.
If it were fiction, I wouldnt have bought it....So I was duped out of my money IMO
Yes- a memoir is supposed to be a true story about the person- he is a LIAR
This is where one's personal opinion comes into play. To me a memoir is the recollections of whomever the author may be. It is not found under the history section. Frank McCourt's "Angela's Ashes" is an extrmemly moving work, but how am I to know that every single detail that he describes is soild fact? It is his memories of how his story goes. I am sure that all of us have at times remembered past incidents differently then others and have (gasp) even embellished a story to make more of a point.
Did he fabricate? Yes, absolutely. Was he a drug addict who has come through his addiction? Yes. Did he use artistic license? Absolutely. Does that make the point of his novel obsolete? Not for me.
I couldnt agree more...!!!!
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Did he fabricate? Yes, absolutely. Was he a drug addict who has come through his addiction? Yes. Did he use artistic license? Absolutely. Does that make the point of his novel obsolete? Not for me.
I think the problem that arose is that it wasn't a novel. It is/was marketed as a biography or non-fiction. That's also how Oprah promoted it.
Now, by rights, he did try to sell it as a fiction work originally but the publisher picked up the option as a biography so it's partially their fault.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by dm24angel
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Posted by girlygrl33
So he wrote a book and lied, whats the big deal? It sounds like it was a good story true or not to be on the best sellers list. there are far too many more things to worry about in this world than if a story is fiction or non fiction.
I agree.... there are so many books that arent true...
Also- wasnt this guy into drugs????? For all we know this is what he may have felt he witnessed or went through...who knows what things he imagined through an addicts eyes...
(I really dont know too much about the book...but EVERYONE at work was talking about this today...)
I just couldnt agree more... its a book.... whether he emblished or not...he still wrote a great story right?
No..thats so not the point. The book was labeled a memoir..whihc is a true story, it was 50% complete lies.
When I read a memoir Im trusting the author is telling us his life story, not make it up. It has NO impact if its just fiction.
If it were fiction, I wouldnt have bought it....So I was duped out of my money IMO
i have to say i agree here....
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heidla
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
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Did he fabricate? Yes, absolutely. Was he a drug addict who has come through his addiction? Yes. Did he use artistic license? Absolutely. Does that make the point of his novel obsolete? Not for me.
I think the problem that arose is that it wasn't a novel. It is/was marketed as a biography or non-fiction. That's also how Oprah promoted it.
Now, by rights, he did try to sell it as a fiction work originally but the publisher picked up the option as a biography so it's partially their fault.
See, IMO, a memior is different. It is placed under non-fiction because it is the memories of a certain person. I don't take it to be a historically accurate account. I assume it is (just as a biography) what the author wants to convey about their personal experiences.
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yes but a lot of his "experiences" were just flat out MADE UP.....and that is what bothers me.
The parts of his book, which i haven't even read just talked to friends, that were most prominent, were fictional
IMO...memoir it isn't...
Memoir in itself means memory/recollection....no?
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by Redhead
yes but a lot of his "experiences" were just flat out MADE UP.....and that is what bothers me.
The parts of his book, which i haven't even read just talked to friends, that were most prominent, were fictional
IMO...memoir it isn't...
Memoir in itself means memory/recollection....no?
I have a vivid memory of being a child and having outings to the Steak and Shake often with my mom, but in reality we only went there once. It apparently made such an impression on me that I implanted it in the reservoir of my brain as a weekly event. If my mother had never told me that I apparently made this weekly occurrence up it might make it into my memoir.
I do realize that he lied, but I am just saying that not all of what he has to offer is a lie.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by heidla
I have a vivid memory of being a child and having outings to the Steak and Shake often with my mom, but in reality we only went there once. It apparently made such an impression on me that I implanted it in the reservoir of my brain as a weekly event. If my mother had never told me that I apparently made this weekly occurrence up it might make it into my memoir.
I do realize that he lied, but I am just saying that not all of what he has to offer is a lie.
Okay, but how much is truth and how much is a lie? You did go to the Steak and Shake...he revolves a major part of the story around a girl he loves and rescues from the rehab and apparently she didn't even exist. He spend chapters talking about crimes he committed that he actually didn't commit.
A memoir would have embellishments, this book has been completely fabricated in parts. At what point do you even still beleive he had a drug and alcohol problem? Because, honestly, I am not sure that's true anymore.
My overall opinion is that if it had been marketed as fiction it would have been fine. But it was marketed as truth, and I just think that it is almost an embarrassment...to us readers and to the author/publisher.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
I personally think Oprah brought him back bc of her own personal embaressment and wanted to embaress him the way she felt embaressed. It was like "an eye for an eye". In the end she got huge ratings and he got more $ for book selling. IMO when someone makes me mad I am more likely to say screw them then to have them back in my life. She brought him back into her life by taking him back on the show. In addition, I think his book is a lie and he is aware of it. I think people should be offended bc he sold it as a lie for the $. You cant go back and say maybe this was true, maybe it wasnt. Everyone would be ****** if a friend told you they were physically, emotionally abused and then you found out it was a fabricated story. He knows where his story belongs...in the childrens section with mother goose.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
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Posted by heidla
I have a vivid memory of being a child and having outings to the Steak and Shake often with my mom, but in reality we only went there once. It apparently made such an impression on me that I implanted it in the reservoir of my brain as a weekly event. If my mother had never told me that I apparently made this weekly occurrence up it might make it into my memoir.
I do realize that he lied, but I am just saying that not all of what he has to offer is a lie.
Okay, but how much is truth and how much is a lie? You did go to the Steak and Shake...he revolves a major part of the story around a girl he loves and rescues from the rehab and apparently she didn't even exist. He spend chapters talking about crimes he committed that he actually didn't commit.
A memoir would have embellishments, this book has been completely fabricated in parts. At what point do you even still beleive he had a drug and alcohol problem? Because, honestly, I am not sure that's true anymore.
My overall opinion is that if it had been marketed as fiction it would have been fine. But it was marketed as truth, and I just think that it is almost an embarrassment...to us readers and to the author/publisher.
I agree with this...
How do we know what he has said is at all true? I BOUGHT the book because I wanted to read a true story of an addict that apparently was soooo off course, yet turned his life around. If it were fiction, I would not have gotten it, It was the real life pull that drew me in.....
So Here is a book presented as one of the worst addicts ever living to tell his tail....Well finding out more then half of the book was lies, well I dont know if I even believe he was as horrid an addict as he described. Does he deserve respect for making it through ANY addition, YES....a million dollars from writing a fake book ...NO
Truth is he tried to sell the book as fiction, no-one was interested...that says a LOT about his motivation..he wanted to DUP people, he simply wanted his fiction sold....
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
It was marketed as a memoir, which is how the author remembers a particular event in his/her life. I read the book over Christmas break before all of this publicity, and as I read it I thought to myself, I'm sure this is embellished. I don't think he lied, but rather embellished certain events in the book. She was shocked and appauled when at the fact that he said his girlfriend commited suicide by hanging herself, when in fact she slit her wrists. To me it's still a tragedy, because she still died regardless of how! He said he altered things about people in the book to make them unidentifiable.
How many people do you know will tell a story, and it sounds completely different than how you remembered it? Or you just KNOW they may embellish things to make it sound bad.
I think Oprah is embarrased, and it bruised her ego, but I think she went a little overboard.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by Gertyrae
Posted by heidla
I have a vivid memory of being a child and having outings to the Steak and Shake often with my mom, but in reality we only went there once. It apparently made such an impression on me that I implanted it in the reservoir of my brain as a weekly event. If my mother had never told me that I apparently made this weekly occurrence up it might make it into my memoir.
I do realize that he lied, but I am just saying that not all of what he has to offer is a lie.
Okay, but how much is truth and how much is a lie? You did go to the Steak and Shake...he revolves a major part of the story around a girl he loves and rescues from the rehab and apparently she didn't even exist. He spend chapters talking about crimes he committed that he actually didn't commit.
A memoir would have embellishments, this book has been completely fabricated in parts. At what point do you even still beleive he had a drug and alcohol problem? Because, honestly, I am not sure that's true anymore.
My overall opinion is that if it had been marketed as fiction it would have been fine. But it was marketed as truth, and I just think that it is almost an embarrassment...to us readers and to the author/publisher.
He admitted on Oprah yesterday that she did exist...unless i missed that part
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by mosh913
It was marketed as a memoir, which is how the author remembers a particular event in his/her life. I read the book over Christmas break before all of this publicity, and as I read it I thought to myself, I'm sure this is embellished. I don't think he lied, but rather embellished certain events in the book. She was shocked and appauled when at the fact that he said his girlfriend commited suicide by hanging herself, when in fact she slit her wrists. To me it's still a tragedy, because she still died regardless of how! He said he altered things about people in the book to make them unidentifiable.
How many people do you know will tell a story, and it sounds completely different than how you remembered it? Or you just KNOW they may embellish things to make it sound bad.
I think Oprah is embarrased, and it bruised her ego, but I think she went a little overboard.
No...Lilly did not die...He admitted that, and he never answered the question to anyone if there really was a lilly.
Im sorry, I still stand by the fact that as a fiction book, it did nothing for me.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by mosh913
It was marketed as a memoir, which is how the author remembers a particular event in his/her life. I read the book over Christmas break before all of this publicity, and as I read it I thought to myself, I'm sure this is embellished. I don't think he lied, but rather embellished certain events in the book. She was shocked and appauled when at the fact that he said his girlfriend commited suicide by hanging herself, when in fact she slit her wrists. To me it's still a tragedy, because she still died regardless of how! He said he altered things about people in the book to make them unidentifiable.
How many people do you know will tell a story, and it sounds completely different than how you remembered it? Or you just KNOW they may embellish things to make it sound bad.
I think Oprah is embarrased, and it bruised her ego, but I think she went a little overboard.
No...Lilly did not die...He admitted that, and he never answered the question to anyone if there really was a lilly.
Im sorry, I still stand by the fact that as a fiction book, it did nothing for me.
What!!! Okay, good thing I had DH tape Oprah for me. I must have missed it! I'm going to watch it right now. This changes my view on EVERYTHING.
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Re: comment on the author on Oprah
In the part I saw, he said that Lilly died by cutting her wrists, not hanging herself.
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