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Beth
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
Posted by beautyq115
Posted by Kara
Uh... they get paid the SAME amount as a first year associate at our firm for the summer (six figure salary), have no billable hours requirement, are taken out to lunch on the firm 5 days a week, and have FREE summer events and after parties 2-3 nights a week. They are treated like gold. They should act and dress appropriately.
Can I work there for the summer??? I'll wear whatever you want
seriously- I have lots of suits- all nice ones apporaite for a law firm- I can even wear closed toe shoes - but I draw the line at panty house
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
I think that in our current environment its really difficult to telll when one needs to where a suit.
I am also an attorney and I used to work at a Large NYC firm and we never wore suits, granted I was in securities not litigation. Whenever we met with clients (which was RARE) they were casual (i-banks) and so we were too.
I am now in house at a fortune 10 company and am still casual. I can probably count on one hand the times I have worn a suit in my career - going on 6 years.
In fact whenever anyone used to wear a suit at the firm people would ask if you were interviewing.
That said, as a Summer she probably should have asked you.
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| Posted 6/19/07 11:54 AM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
I'm surprised that the summer associates have no clue how to dress. Any time a lawyer (or a summer associate) goes to court, meets with a client, attends a deposition, etc, he or she should wear a suit. I don't wear a suit to work every day, but I always wear a suit when I meet with clients or attend seminars/meetings where I may run into clients. When I worked in NYC, I always kept a suit in my office just in case I needed to go to court or a deposition.
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| Posted 6/19/07 12:13 PM |
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WoodIAm
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
I've been complaining about this for months now. Although we don't need to wear suits at my job, we need to look professional. I'm not surprised when I have to remind the younger kids, but I hired a 45 year old woman who came in in leggings, a dirty T shirt and dirty sneakers. I just don't get it.
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| Posted 6/19/07 12:21 PM |
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MarisaK
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
It doesn't matter how much money theiy're being paid, or if they're even being paid at all - You are expected to dress appropriately - If business formal is the appropriate attire (and why a 3rd year law student at a reputable firm would not know that is beyone me) - then IMO you dress that way until someone gives you the ok NOT to -
And even then, doesn't being overdressed make a better impression that being underdressed ??
Whatever happened to "Dressing the Part?" .......
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| Posted 6/19/07 12:48 PM |
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snowprincess
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
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Posted by snowprincess
i'm an attorney too and we have clients that will kick us out of meetings if we wear suits to meeting - it can be hard to determine exactly when to wear a suit especially in the beginning - i just think a nice note will help
Kick you out if you wear a suit? My brother's with Sullivan & Cromwell and I don't think they have any clients like that.  I just mean with many of the really large firms not wearing a suit is never an option.
i work in patent law and a few companies that we work for think engineers are afraid of lawyers in suits - they feel they will nt speak as openly as needed about what is going on or deciribing there invention- they want us to dress simialr to them - so we wear business casual - but they could be in jeans and tshirts
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:08 PM |
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Kara
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
Posted by snowprincess
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by snowprincess
i'm an attorney too and we have clients that will kick us out of meetings if we wear suits to meeting - it can be hard to determine exactly when to wear a suit especially in the beginning - i just think a nice note will help
Kick you out if you wear a suit? My brother's with Sullivan & Cromwell and I don't think they have any clients like that. I just mean with many of the really large firms not wearing a suit is never an option.
i work in patent law and a few companies that we work for think engineers are afraid of lawyers in suits - they feel they will nt speak as openly as needed about what is going on or deciribing there invention- they want us to dress simialr to them - so we wear business casual - but they could be in jeans and tshirts
I work in patent law, too. We always wear suits to client meetings. (Granted most of the work we do is pharmaceutical and our clients are corporations) Yes, every place is different, but here suits are mandatory for client meetings. At the same time, I understand what you're saying to some extent. I once told summer associates not to wear suits to a second meeting with a pro bono domestic violence victim b/c she was very intimidated by us during the first meeting. She was sort of a special case, though, as I haven't had that problem with other pro bono clients. My FH is an engineer and he rarely wears suits to meetings, but always wears a tie -- I always thought it was strange, but he deals with architechts and construction managers and contractors who don't respond well to men in suits.
This firm is on par with Sullivan & Cromwell as someone mentioned... we're also in the litigation practice, which could be more formal than some of the other practice areas -- mainly because we have to wear suits if we're going to court, etc.
Either way, I'm not angry or anything - just very surprised that this person didn't know. I have not seen the other person coming to the meeting yet, but did mention to him that suits were required for all client meetings.
The girl who was not dressed appropriately went home to change before her lunch meeting, which was the right thing to do. She felt bad, said she completely forgot. I just explained that other attorneys would tell her she cannot attend the meeting, etc. Since this is a pro bono case that they, as law students, are supposed to do mostly on their own this summer, it would be difficult for me to excuse either one of them from the meeting - it is sort of their meeting. However, they still need to dress the right way.
I guess growing up in a house where my dad wore a suit to work every day and also having brothers in professions where they mostly wear suits to work gave me a different perspective. I KNOW the girl owns suits - she's worn them before in the office.
Sure, her outfit was professional enough for any other day in the office, just not a meeting. Lesson learned.
I just hated having to say something b/c I really don't want her to feel bad or stupid for not knowing or for just forgetting... She took it well, though, and went home to change.
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:18 PM |
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nyteacher13
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Re: Do people REALLY not know this?
Posted by Kara
Uh... they get paid the SAME amount as a first year associate at our firm for the summer (six figure salary), have no billable hours requirement, are taken out to lunch on the firm 5 days a week, and have FREE summer events and after parties 2-3 nights a week. They are treated like gold. They should act and dress appropriately.
exactly!!!
Don't they teach you what to wear/not to wear while in law school? It seems like common-sense etiquette to me.
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