gROSS GROSS BLIND ITEM - UpDATED with guesses from the site

Monday, December 18, 2006
This one took me awhile to write because of its sensitive nature. You will discover that for yourself when you read it. I also want to say in advance that nothing has been proved and at this point the investigation continues.

A woman came into the office for her first appointment. I guessed she was in her 40's but it is always hard to tell in LA. I did not recognize her last name because she was using her maiden name. When she said her ex-husband’s name, I did a double take. I honestly did not know he had been married prior to his current marriage, let alone had other children. He (singer/actor B lister on a very good day and is currently on a hit tv show, lets call him "M.")

They had been divorced for quite some time when she came into the office. You could tell by looking at her that she had once been attractive, but she was not going to age well. She looked like the years since the divorce were taking their toll on her. She came into the office because she wanted to change the custody and visitation agreement she currently had with M.

The reason for the change was their daughter. For many years M and his daughter ("D") had a very close relationship. That relationship changed somewhat as his children that he lived with grew older. For some reason, the relationship with D was turning into something less father/daughter and more into something less innocent.
D is a lovely girl in her mid-teens. She was always outgoing and bright and got along well with everyone. Over the past year though she had grown withdrawn and seemed quiet and lonely. She was acting differently towards her mother and also dressing in a manner which did not scream innocence, but rather something more slutty and trashy. D’s mom thought at first this was just a teenager thing and that D would soon move on into something else.


When things did not get any better and D was becoming more and more popular with boys, mom tried to get D to see a psychiatrist. This did not work out. D did not want to open up to strangers. Nothing was working, and D was becoming more and more withdrawn. Mom was worried that D might attempt suicide as D seemed so depressed.





Then, one night out of the blue before D was scheduled to see her dad for the weekend, she confided to her mom that she did not want to see her dad then or ever again. D broke down and told her mom that about a year ago she woke up during the night and found M looking at her and touching himself while she was sleeping. He had pulled off her covers and was staring at her. M apologized and left the room quickly. Nothing more was said about it until the next time D visited. That weekend, M spent time with D alone and explained to her how he felt about her and that he just could not help himself. He thought of her as a woman and not his daughter. At first D was flattered because her dad had been spending more time with his other kids. She was special to dad. M wanted to show D how special she was and so over the next few months he proceeded to not only do what he had done the first night she awakened, but also made her perform sexual acts on him and he had sex with her.

D had not told anyone because she enjoyed the extra attention she was getting. She wanted to be the best for her dad so she started having sex with other boys so she could practice with them. The problem was, she did not like the person she was becoming, and so one day, she just stopped. At that point her dad became violent and tried to force himself on her. She ran away from him and feigned illness so that her step-mom would take her home. She had not been back, and this upcoming weekend would have been her first time back since the episode. She just decided she was not going to take it anymore.

Mom did not let her go over to M’s house that weekend and then came into the office to make sure D never had to go back. D is old enough to where she never has to go back if she does not want to and she has no intention to do so. M has actually gone to court to try and convince the court that he should be able to spend time with his daughter even if it is supervised. The full allegations made by D were never in the court filings. Only the first episode is mentioned, and it was made more PG in the filing. D and her mom want to handle this themselves and do not want the attention thrust on them that a full investigation would produce. However, they also wanted to make sure the other children were safe that were still living in the house. Therefore mom made an anonymous call to CPS and that investigation is continuing but as far as I know has not produced anything or it would have DEFINITELY come out.



M has always denied everything that happened and promises to sue if anything is ever released publicly. He said anything that did happen was just a misunderstanding. It must be said that Mom and D did not get anything out of this. There is no extra child support coming or spousal support. D just wanted to get away from her dad.
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This is pretty creepy if true. It should also be a fairly easy one to figure out given the facts (assuming they’re true) and what we might infer from them so I decided to put a bit of time into it. What I’ve written is long but I did it mostly to outline my thinking to help me figure it out.

(I’ve generally been in the camp that believes that EL’s stories are true. This story is the first that really makes me think maybe I might be wrong. I say that because EL, if real, seems interested in keeping his/her identity secret. This story, however, stands a decent chance of becoming real news. Big news. And that means it’s likely that EL would be outed very quickly at that point.)

What we know:
1) Two marriages, at least one daughter by first marriage, at least two children by second at least one of which is a girl. Also, Mom went to the authorities to “make sure the other *children* were safe.” Since most molesters are boy/girl specific, this implies that there are at least two daughters by the second wife. Also, marriage is probably well known given EL’s reaction.
2) Daughter, D, in mid-teens at time of story. She is also “old enough that she never has to go back if she doesn’t want to” which sounds like a statutory issue. I don’t feel like researching California family law but that could give the exact/minimum age of the daughter. I’m guessing 16.
3) Father is actor and singer. Unclear which is main occupation or first occupation, however it’s more likely that he was a singer first since that’s the way it goes.
4) Father currently “on” a hit TV show and is a B actor at best. Based on the word “on” and B-/C status, he’s probably not the star/lead.
5) Divorced “for quite some time.” I’m thinking 10-ish years.
6) Wife uses maiden name. Unclear what the daughter uses.
7) Father currently married. Father also probably in at least his 40s since his ex looks that age and men – especially the famous variety – rarely marry up in age.
8) Lives in or around LA if has visitation/shared custody with a woman who went to an LA lawyer.
9) Was actually married to the Mom.

Things we don’t know and shouldn’t assume:
1) That this happened recently. EL says the investigation continues. I imagine, however, that it couldn’t have happened more than a couple years ago since one would think (hope?) that allegations of molestation and rape by a parent wouldn’t take years and years to investigate by CPS. Also, EL – despite protestations otherwise – usually doesn’t seem to be too careful with his/her language. Without a lot of care, a writer can often unintentionally divulge information and this story uses a lot of present tense with lots of the events/processes in the story. On the flip side, at the very end, EL says, “It must be said that Mom and D did not get anything out of this.” That seems to indicate that the whole family court side of this has been resolved. That would probably mean it happened at least 6 months or more ago unless that’s just bad tense usage.
2) That the molested/raped daughter is the only child by that mother. In fact, EL says of the father that he/she didn’t know the father had “other children,” plural.
3) That the father is white. This is a trap I always fall into.
4) That his singing career means he was a recording artist.

Possible men using singer/actor/current hit show criteria:
- Ice T – Probably not. Former rapper and current cast member on Law & Order: SVU. Fits current hit show, he’s not the lead, he had at least two children – including a daughter Letesha – by a woman prior to his current wife but I can’t find any mention of children by his current wife and he married her in 2004. Casting doubt is also that he only broke up with his children’s mother in 2002.
- Mandy Patinkin – Probably not. Most famous for being Inigo Montoya, currently on Criminal Minds. Did Broadway musicals in the 80s. According to Imdb has only two sons and has been married since 1980.
- John Stamos – Probably not. Certainly fits my definition of “wishes he was B-list.” Currently on ER. Toured as drummer with Beach Boys, acted in musicals. Had prominent wife (Rebecca Romijn-Stamos) until just last year that would be well known to EL and others as his wife. But, Imdb says that was his first marriage and lists no children.
- Randy Jackson – Maybe. Host of American Idol, not really a singer but certainly can sing and was in Journey and is a well known musician. Was married to a woman Elizabeth until 1990 (though wikipedia calls her Elizabeth Jackson, not her maiden name presumably) and according to wikipedia, they have a child which could be just about the right age depending on when he/she was born. Currently married with two children according to imdb.
- Harry Hamlin – Probably not. I didn’t watch the last season of Veronica Mars, but he was in at least some of the episodes and it’s a hit. He’s not known as a singer but imdb trivia says he’s done some singing. He played a super f#$king creepy child molester on Veronica Mars and now thoroughly creeps me out. Has two daughters with current wife. Previously married to Nicolette Sheridan (91-93) but she doesn’t have any kids. Was married to a woman named Laura Johnson from 85-89 and if they had a daughter at the end of that time period, it could work with the timing of this story (imdb lists no kids for her and neither does wikipedia).
- John O’Hurley (aka J. Peterman) – Probably not. According to imdb he’s a classically trained vocalist. He was married to Eva LaRue Callahan from 92-94, the right time frame, but imdb indicates they didn’t have kids. He was recently on Dancing with the Stars. Definitely a B list or lower, I’d think.
- Bobby Brown – Maybe. A first wife would be a surprise to many. Singer and actor. Has his own reality show though I wouldn’t call it a hit. Not much higher than B list. Has one daughter with Whitney and three others by at least one other woman. One of those three is a daughter. The daughter with Whitney was born in ‘93 – if this story is within the last couple years and if the father raped his daughter in her mid teens, the daughter with Whitney would be coming up on his target age and hence the fear of a repeat. I don’t think he lives in LA, though (Jersey?) and it isn’t clear if he was married prior to Whitney.
- David Hasselhoff – Probably not. Fits singer/B- actor description. He’s not currently married and research above seems to indicate that his kids are from his second marriage only. Is he currently on a show? Imdb.com says no. I mention him only because he’s listed above by others.
- Mike Rowe – Probably not. He’s the guy on Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel. He was an opera singer before he got into TV/acting. But, he lives in San Francisco and it’s unclear whether he’s married to his current significant other or has any children.

I also thought about Gene Simmons, but he’s not nor has he ever been married.

After all that...nothing sounds particularly compelling except Randy Jackson. But one thing I keep thinking is that if EL was surprised by the maiden name/married name thing, it seems likely that the father has an easily identifiable name. That doesn’t work for most of the guys on the list though it does make me like John Stamos. I feel like I’m missing something obvious.

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David Hasselhoff? But he just recently got divorced.

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On a side note Melissa where do you get these from?

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Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

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Posted by Eva Luna

Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

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Posted by Eva Luna

Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

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Posted by octoberbride

Posted by Eva Luna

Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

Someone on a hit show tho...
hmm...I'm stumped

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Posted by metsgirlie

Posted by Eva Luna

Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

Jon Bon Jovi is still married.

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Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by metsgirlie

Posted by Eva Luna

Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

Jon Bon Jovi is still married.

The person is still married. This was a previous and "unknown" marriage.

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Posted by octoberbride

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by metsgirlie

Posted by Eva Luna

Thinking singer/actors...

Harry Connick Jr.

Jon Bon Jovi

Jon Bon Jovi is still married.

The person is still married. This was a previous and "unknown" marriage.

and currently on a hit show. I was thnking McDreamy at first, but hes not a singer to my knowledge.

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I GET THEM FROM CRAZYDAYS AND NIGHTS BLOGSPOT

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I think the Hoff makes the most sense-- B list actor if he is lucky and a singer and currently on a hit show-- America's Got Talent.

He was just at the Big in 06 awards-- and I think he was there with his daughther-- but that is from his most recent marriage.

The daughter in question would be from an unknown marriage.

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I don't think it could be the Hoff- if he was married before- it would have been along time ago

this last marriage lasted 16 years- and his daughters are about 14 and 16- they just got divorced a few months ago

( I just watched his E! true hollywood stroy this weekend)

so the age of any daughter from a pervious marriage would make her out of the range

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I don't think it's the Hoff. But he was married before, no children reported.

Spouse
Pamela Bach (8 December 1989 - 27 July 2006) (divorced) 2 children
Catherine Hickland (24 March 1984 - 1 March 1989) (divorced)

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SOMEONE ELSE GUESSED:

andy Jackson's marriage to Elizabeth Jackson ended in divorce in 1990. They have one child together. Since 1995, he has been married to Erika Riker, with whom he has two children.

AMERICAN IDOL IS DEFINITELY A HIT SHOW.


HOWEVER RANDY IS NOT AN ACTOR AS FAR AS I KNOW

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That reads like "M" has been married 3x. First one ("unknown marriage") had children. "D" is from his marriage to the one who came to see the lawyer. It sounds like he is currently remarried because it says "D" feigned illness so her stepmom would take her home...

I dont know but these blind items are killing me, Im still thinking about a few others.

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Could it be Kim Bassinger and Alec Baldwin. They have nasty custody battles over Ireland, their daughter. He's currently on 30 Rock. Perhaps he's sung a song here and there?

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My first thought was John Stamos - b ut I am not sure if he is married. He is on ER right now.

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