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smdl
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
One of the problems is the HUGE disparity of health coverage from one company to another and from public to private sector.
The discrepancy in coverage is unbelievable.
I have coverage with DH becuase at my work, someone said she paid about $130 per month in health insurance. Well, she is only entitled to a "discount". She had to have a medical procedure. She ended up out of pocket for $5K. She is a single woman who is trying to make it. How is that fair? She can't spend $300-400 per month on health insurance.
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Cpt2007
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
well the money to pay for insuring every single American including the millions of illegals has to come from somewhere.
But really, when someone who is having a heart attack or stroke is being wheeled into an ER, what doctor, what compasionate person, is giong to say first "can i see proof of legal residency" and if it can't be produced turn that person who could die away? That's just not realistic.
I'm not saying that paying for the health care of uninsured people (both legal residents and illegal) isn't part of the problem, I just dont think it's a catchall for fixing the system.
not only is it not realistic, it's a disgusting and heinous thought. 
even if you removed every illegal from the country, you still would not come close to solving the health care crisis here.
I think if legal status and isurance coverage were separate it wouldn't cure the problem but it would help it A LOT. I certainly don't think medical care should be denied to anyone based on a wallet lobotomy that would be gross.
I just think since the illegal immigrants are here and they don't be seem to be going anywhere they should be able to purchase insurance. It is a bit ridiculous that a illegal immigrant married to an American citizen has to wait 2 years until they obtain legal status to have insurance. It is ridiculous that an illegal immigrant living and working in this country cannot purchase insurance. Not giving them insurance doesn't solve the problem of immigration they stay here anyway and if they do get hurt the burden of their medical bills falls on the tax payers.
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Cpt2007
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by Ophelia
not only is it not realistic, it's a disgusting and heinous thought.
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I agree 100% that we need tort reform. this country is "sue happy".but honestly, the judges are to blame for awarding people millions of $'s for burns stemming from spilled coffee - that THEY spilled on themselves  
and for thr record, those who earn the most already do pay more in taxes. that's how the system was set up. the more you earn, the more you pay.
Actually having just been involved in a frivolous lawsuit (as the person being sued wrongly) our lawyer explained the McDonald's coffee lawsuit to us.
The strategy of McDonald's in the case was to bury the opposing side in paperwork and just sent them over reams and reams of paper that they would have to sift through as part of discovery. They mistakenly included an internal document where a decision was made to make the coffee so hot it would not be fit for consumption at the time of purchase and therefore they would save millions on refills.
The jury awarded the plaintiff millions of dollars which was actually the equivalent of one or two days of McDonald's profit on coffee sales.
Just thought that was interesting and wanted to mention it since that coffee lawsuit is right where my thinking goes when I hear about torts.
Regarding the taxes, yikes, I don't know if we can stand any more taxing, but I don't know enough about it at the moment and I would like to see everyone have access to healthcare.
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smdl
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by MeNBobs
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Cpt2007
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
well the money to pay for insuring every single American including the millions of illegals has to come from somewhere.
But really, when someone who is having a heart attack or stroke is being wheeled into an ER, what doctor, what compasionate person, is giong to say first "can i see proof of legal residency" and if it can't be produced turn that person who could die away? That's just not realistic.
I'm not saying that paying for the health care of uninsured people (both legal residents and illegal) isn't part of the problem, I just dont think it's a catchall for fixing the system.
not only is it not realistic, it's a disgusting and heinous thought.
even if you removed every illegal from the country, you still would not come close to solving the health care crisis here.
I think if legal status and isurance coverage were separate it wouldn't cure the problem but it would help it A LOT. I certainly don't think medical care should be denied to anyone based on a wallet lobotomy that would be gross.
I just think since the illegal immigrants are here and they don't be seem to be going anywhere they should be able to purchase insurance. It is a bit ridiculous that a illegal immigrant married to an American citizen has to wait 2 years until they obtain legal status to have insurance. It is ridiculous that an illegal immigrant living and working in this country cannot purchase insurance. Not giving them insurance doesn't solve the problem of immigration they stay here anyway and if they do get hurt the burden of their medical bills falls on the tax payers.
Realistically IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL, you have no business being here. So why should you be allowed to have health insurance? What do you think would happened if you went to a foreign country illegally (let's say Japan). Do you think the Japanese should let you buy health insurance? That makes no sense. Either you are legal or you are illegal. And if you are illegal, well you don't belong here. The definition of illegal is that this is NOT your country. You did NOT do the proper procedure to move in the US. You are here AGAINST the Law.
Yes, if someone is hurt, there is NO WAY we cannot accept them in a hospital/ER. Citizens, tourists, legal or illegal immigrants. We are a "CIVILIZED" country. We can't let people die outside the doors of ER because they don't have insurance. And trust me, I want to some countries that do that.
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headoverheels
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by Ophelia
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I also would like to see a law that if your job offers health care one must take it unless covered by spouse.
A lot of the uninsured in this nation have access to health care but they chose to not opt for the coverage because they would rather have the extra money in their pay.
I would like to see statistics on this because I have never, ever in my life known a single person to fall into this category, but I have known several uninsured people - my own mother was for many years because her company didn't offer health insurance.
you won't find any 
this is not stastical information, this is propaganda.
I mean, if you think about it, EVERYONE has "access" to healthcare, b/c anyone can get an individual plan with any one of the healthcare companies out there.
but the cost is EXTREMELY high. PROHIBITIVELY HIGH. even moreso if you have a family. it's not about people wanting an extra $50 in their pockets.
it's people deciding between being homeless WITH healthcare, or being able to pay rent and eat without it.
I myself, an employee of the federal govt, with "great" benefits posted recently that MY percentage of the premium for coverage for my and my future child will be $600 per month.
that is a HELL of a lot of money to have taken out of a paycheck. and can easily change anyone's financial picture.
it's just not cut and dry.
just as an FYI, i don't know statistics, but i personally know of several people who do NOT take their company's health care b/c they want to save the $$.
they are almost all single men.
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by smdl
Realistically IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL, you have no business being here. So why should you be allowed to have health insurance? What do you think would happened if you went to a foreign country illegally (let's say Japan). Do you think the Japanese should let you buy health insurance? That makes no sense. Either you are legal or your illegal. And if you are illegal, well you don't belong here. The definition of illegal is that this is NOT your country. You did NOT do the proper procedure to move in the US. You are here AGAINST the Law.
Yes, if someone is hurt, there is NO WAY we cannot accept them in a hospital/ER. Citizens, tourists, legal or illegal immigrants. We are a "CIVILIZED" country. We can't let people die outside the doors of ER because they don't have insurance. And trust me, I want to some countries that do that.
I understand what it means to be an illegal alien but realistically nothing is really being done about it. People are not being deported in record time. Not allowing them to purchase healthcare is not making them leave. If it's not part of the solution it's part of the problem. If they are going to be here anyway why not let them purchase insurance that way if they get hurt everyone else isn't paying for them.
For the record I never said to turn anyone away bc of their status. That would be disgusting.
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Ophelia
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by headoverheels
just as an FYI, i don't know statistics, but i personally know of several people who do NOT take their company's health care b/c they want to save the $$.
they are almost all single men.
I realize this. I did the SAME thing in my early 20's. I paid as I went at the doctor b/c it was far less $$ to pay $100 bucks for a visit than it was to buy privately into an insurance plan...
i am not saying the reason is not to "save". when you don't spend, you "save" or use the money someplace else. that is common sense.
I am sure we all "know" someone who is doing something for one reason or another, but it's not realistic or prudent to extrapolate that on to an entire subset..and increasingly LARGER subset, of the population of this country.
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Ophelia
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by MeNBobs
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Cpt2007
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
well the money to pay for insuring every single American including the millions of illegals has to come from somewhere.
But really, when someone who is having a heart attack or stroke is being wheeled into an ER, what doctor, what compasionate person, is giong to say first "can i see proof of legal residency" and if it can't be produced turn that person who could die away? That's just not realistic.
I'm not saying that paying for the health care of uninsured people (both legal residents and illegal) isn't part of the problem, I just dont think it's a catchall for fixing the system.
not only is it not realistic, it's a disgusting and heinous thought.
even if you removed every illegal from the country, you still would not come close to solving the health care crisis here.
I think if legal status and isurance coverage were separate it wouldn't cure the problem but it would help it A LOT. I certainly don't think medical care should be denied to anyone based on a wallet lobotomy that would be gross.
I just think since the illegal immigrants are here and they don't be seem to be going anywhere they should be able to purchase insurance. It is a bit ridiculous that a illegal immigrant married to an American citizen has to wait 2 years until they obtain legal status to have insurance. It is ridiculous that an illegal immigrant living and working in this country cannot purchase insurance. Not giving them insurance doesn't solve the problem of immigration they stay here anyway and if they do get hurt the burden of their medical bills falls on the tax payers.
I would be for this too.
I would absolutely be for the ability of ANYONE with the money to buy into the health program...whether they are here legally or not.
and, ftr, there are deadbeats regardless of citizenship status. there ARE illegal immigrants who go to the doctor and PAY the bill when the time comes. and vice versa. illegals are not the only population of this country abusing the emergency room and the system by far.
to turn the health care mess into another referendum on immigration is like looking at a soccer field with a microscope. it in NO WAY encapsulates the big picture.
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
Posted by Ophelia
I would be for this too.
OMG you AGREE with me!!! 
Not gonna lie I was bit scurred in case you ripped me to shreds  .
I know illegals are not the only problem but I think allowing them access to healthcare would be a step toward the solution.
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| Posted 7/9/09 2:41 PM |
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Re: House Democrats eye surtax on wealthy to pay for health bill
I think illegal immigrants are a big part of the problem if the issue right now for DC is finding 320 billion dollars.
In 2005 the Pew Hispanic Center did a study and found that only 15% of the uninsured adults were US Citizens and 59% were illegal immigrants and 25% legal immigrants.
Thats is a large number and it is not going to change. It will just increase. You know over 300,000 births are year are by illegal immigrants and we pay for those services. Meanwhile I have to pay for my delivery by the time I am 24 weeks and I have insurance!
I think billions of federal and state dollars would be saved and could be applied toward a universal plan if they re-evaulated our immigration issues.
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