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Huxley is out of control.
I am on the verge of losing it with Huxley. He's a really sweet dog and I love him, I do but I am starting to believe he is untrainable. We have gone through three different trainers and nothing is working. He freaks out when people come into the house, if I'm home by myself I can barely hold him back. He is so strong and just wants to jump up on everyone and it takes him FOREVER to calm down. We tried turning our backs, the knee etc etc and nothing works. He doesn't care. I have stopped entertaining and inviting anyone over for any reason because of it.
Even basic commands we say 1000x times a day he just disregards. He jumps up on the counters (paws not his entire body) and we say "off" and push him down EVERY SINGLE TIME he does it and he could care less.
And then the dog doesn't stop barking. I can't let him outside without him 1. getting muddy (not sure how he does this when it hasn't rained for days) and 2. barking non stop. He barks at squirrels, the wind, the trees... I watched him bark at a butterfly once.
He's not even two so I am sure he will calm down but what am I supposed to do in the mean time? And I know he would never intentionally hurt DS but I can't even have him on the first floor of our house because I'm afraid he's going to hurt him just by being his "excitable" self. Forget about play dates at our house.
I have had dogs my entire life and never once have I encountered a dog like this. Has anyone had a dog like this? What did you do?
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Do you feel he is worse since the baby? B/c it took my male dog (similar to Huxley in personality) a good 1.5 years of my DDs life to adjust. For me, my dog is still very similar, despite training. It just seems to be his nature. He needs a LOT of exercise, even though he is 8.5 now. I wish I had some advice for you but I don't since I was never successful in getting rid of the bad behaviors. hopefully someone on here can help you. I just work around his ways b/c I love him too much to consider anything else. 
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Huxley is out of control.
Not worse, he was always like this, I think I just expected him to get better. I was able to get rid of all of Darwin's bad behaviors except the barking when someone comes to the door... but he's a dog, I expect the barking at times like that... not while running in endless circles for no apparent reason. Or at 3am because he wants to just sit on the back deck. Our 6mo DS is a better sleeper than Huxley!!
Both dogs adjusted well to the baby. Darwin is very sweet and gentle around him... he just insists on chewing his rawhides on top of anything of DS's and Huxley just wants to nuzzle and lay next to him but he's just so rough. It is like owning a sweet pet bull.
DH runs with him but the dog literally drinks some water, rests for 15 minutes when they get back and is ready for action again.
I am sure I just have to wait it out. I'm just so exhausted from trying to keep up with him and I would never consider giving him back to his breeder (in our contract if we weren't able to keep him we have to return him to her) but it is just beyond frustrating that I spend more time cleaning up after his mud tracks than doing anything else and can't even let our son play on the first floor of our house or have people over.
Thanks for letting me vent...
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by gdubs
Not worse, he was always like this, I think I just expected him to get better. I was able to get rid of all of Darwin's bad behaviors except the barking when someone comes to the door... but he's a dog, I expect the barking at times like that... not while running in endless circles for no apparent reason. Or at 3am because he wants to just sit on the back deck. Our 6mo DS is a better sleeper than Huxley!!
Both dogs adjusted well to the baby. Darwin is very sweet and gentle around him... he just insists on chewing his rawhides on top of anything of DS's and Huxley just wants to nuzzle and lay next to him but he's just so rough. It is like owning a sweet pet bull.
DH runs with him but the dog literally drinks some water, rests for 15 minutes when they get back and is ready for action again.
I am sure I just have to wait it out. I'm just so exhausted from trying to keep up with him and I would never consider giving him back to his breeder (in our contract if we weren't able to keep him we have to return him to her) but it is just beyond frustrating that I spend more time cleaning up after his mud tracks than doing anything else and can't even let our son play on the first floor of our house or have people over.
Thanks for letting me vent...
You are so welcome. I KNOW how frustrating it is to have a dog like that. I always say my male dog needs doggie downers...at 8.5, he is still very much the same dog as he was when he was a baby. He has calmed down a BIT, but not that much considering he is 8.5.
Some dogs just have that crazy temperment. My male dog is at my back door at least 7 times a day, scratching b/c he wants to go out and chase birds, etc. But he can never go outside unattended, as he would just bark, or dig, or eat random stuff, etc.
He is almost as high maintenance as a child some days. I really truly can relate. I know you are such a dedicated pet owner, that if you are complaining, it must be really tough right now. To me, I sort of see it like kids...you just never know what kind of personality they will have and how demanding they will be. I love my guy so much, I actually feel so bad when he frustrates me b/c he has no control of who he is, he is a dog.
Do whatever you need to do to get by daily, kwim? If I have kids over, I have to put my dogs in another room. My male will get nuts and just go insane and get mouthy, want to play rough, etc. It sucks, wish he could be more low key but it's just not him. And I chose him, he didn't choose me so I try to remind myself of that.
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Huxley is out of control.
Have you tried Rescue Remedy for when people come over? It's a natural way to make animals calm down. They sell an alcohol free version. I use it for cats in stressful situations and I read it's good for dogs, too.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by klingklang77
Have you tried Rescue Remedy for when people come over? It's a natural way to make animals calm down. They sell an alcohol free version. I use it for cats in stressful situations and I read it's good for dogs, too.
No... but I am going to try it now! Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely get the alcohol free version.
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gdubs
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
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And I chose him, he didn't choose me so I try to remind myself of that.
This is exactly it. He's just doing what he was bred/born to do! And I did research the breed but everything I found made it sound like owning a circus clown not a velociraptor!! 
I had one other thought but I am VERY torn on it. I would never use a shock collar or citronella collar but one of the trainers we used brought over a vibration collar. It's a regular collar with a little box on it with two prongs that have rubber tips on the end and it is controlled by a remote. When you press the button the prongs vibrate. We tried it on Darwin and it stopped his barking immediately and you can tell he was so confused. Not at all in pain or scared just like "woah, that was weird." He actually looked around after it stopped as if to try and find who did it and then just sat down.
We tried it with Huxley and would ring the bell over and over and by the 9th or 10th time the barking stopped and he would just sit when the bell rang.
I actually tried it on me first and held the button down for a long time, where with the dogs we tried it in short bursts, and it definitely didn't hurt, it was more annoying than anything. I like that I control it so if they are barking say at someone we don't know approaching the house I can let them bark as opposed to a familiar face or a leaf blowing by the house where I could "buzz" them. They are both smart breeds so I know they know the difference between people we see all of the time and some random person.
I just don't know if the collar is the right way to go. Would you think this kind of collar is still cruel?
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
G - have you put him in a Thundershirt during times he is especially crazy, like having people over? You know Lucy is as crazy as they come, but putting her in her shirt really does calm her down. Also, we got a bark collar that sprays citronella at her when she barks and she learned real fast that when wearing the bark collar she should be calm. She has many of the same behaviors you describe - she barks like crazy, jumps on everyone, doesn't realize her size, is destructive etc etc. Even though they don't make her perfect, the bark collar and Thundershirt have helped a lot!
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
I wasn't going to reply because my advice was already given (lots and lots of exercise - physical and mental) but then I read this:
Posted by gdubs
not while running in endless circles for no apparent reason.
If he's obsessively turning in circles, google obsessive compulsive behavior in dogs. I'm not insinuating that your breeder isn't a good one but when I first read about this, dogs that suffered from it were inbred/poorly bred dogs or dogs from mills and byb's where there really is no quality control with breeding for less medical problems and better temperament. It sounded like something that isn't easily rectified with training, since it has more to do with their chemical/physical makeup.
Is Huxley neutered? What kind of breed is he? Maybe you could find an online message forum for the breed to discuss this and see if other people have similar issues.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by gdubs
I just don't know if the collar is the right way to go. Would you think this kind of collar is still cruel?
If you want my honest opinion, I think this kind of collar is cruel. As much as I would love to stop my dog from barking, I have never considered this (even when he would wake the baby, wake us up at 3am, etc).I just could not do it. Seems to cruel to me to confuse them, hurt them, etc.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by MandJZ
G - have you put him in a Thundershirt during times he is especially crazy, like having people over? You know Lucy is as crazy as they come, but putting her in her shirt really does calm her down.
Gdubs...thinking more about the collar, I guess if they stop the behavior while the collar is on, and don't do it anymore (and don't get sprayed anymore), maybe it's not so bad.
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Huxley is out of control.
What kind of dog is he?
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
You show Huxley right? Neutering could potentially help, but if you plan to keep showing him that's not an option.
ETA: He sounds a lot like my pit. She's older now and fixed but that was the only time I really saw a difference. We could walk her until we had to drag her home and she'd just rest and be up again (except in the summer if it was very warm). We tried the Thundershirt on her and she hates it. With a passion. I don't use it for company- we used to crate her when company would first arrive until she calmed down and then we'd let her out- we don't use the crate anymore because she's pretty good about not jumping. But when we moved recently, she started getting anxious about thunder and noises from the upstairs neighbors, particularly vacuuming. So we put her in the thundershirt when there's storms or vacuuming. It helps to a point for us, though I know some swear by it.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted grubs
I just don't know if the collar is the right way to go. Would you think this kind of collar is still cruel?
I know the collar you're talking about. It's more of a thumping feeling. It's not a shock.
I don't think it's cruel. It startles them to get their attention it doesn't hurt them.
Good luck, I hope you find something that helps calm him down.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by MsSissy
Posted grubs
I just don't know if the collar is the right way to go. Would you think this kind of collar is still cruel?
I know the collar you're talking about. It's more of a thumping feeling. It's not a shock.
I don't think it's cruel. It startles them to get their attention it doesn't hurt them.
I have to say, I don't think it's cruel either. It's redirecting their attention elsewhere. It's no different than the dog whisperer doing his "tsst" thing IMO.
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Huxley is out of control.
I have had very good results with e collars. I started out using the vibration function on my collar assuming it was more gentle to use. However after some discussion and working with my trainer she explained that some dogs are more freaked out by the vibration than by the "shock" which my e collar trainers call "stim". It's not really a shock unless you turn it up to full blast. I doesn't feel like much on the lower levels I would say that depending on how much the vibration collar costs and if it has adjustable levels of vibration, it might be worth just purchasing a regular high quality e collar with vibration. Because if the vibration is too much for the dog the e collar "stim" features can be much more gentle than the vibration.
I know that e collars have a bad reputation and they definitely can be abused by the wrong person but in the right hands and under a professional trainers guidance it is is very useful device.
My dog is e collar trained and I have had nothing but great success with it. I would NOT AT ALL suggest trying to train your dog to accept an e collar without a professional trainer supervising because most people put the settings up way too high and don't even know it. Most people assume that the irritation on a dogs neck is from shock collar burns but it is actually typically caused by prong irritation by forgetting to shift the prongs to different parts of the neck. If you have never personally felt the stim by put a good quality e collar on and trying the different stimulation levels on yourself you shouldn't really have an opinion on if it is cruel or not. It's all up to the user. Dogs reprimand each other with claws and teeth. It really all depends on the dog. Some dogs require physical corrections and some dogs would pee on the floor from getting yelled at. Obviously you want to use the least amount of force necessary with any training method but some dogs just do not respond to positive training.
Bottom line is, e collars can be abused but so can a prong and especially a choke collar.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by greenfreak
I wasn't going to reply because my advice was already given (lots and lots of exercise - physical and mental) but then I read this:
Posted by gdubs
not while running in endless circles for no apparent reason.
If he's obsessively turning in circles, google obsessive compulsive behavior in dogs. I'm not insinuating that your breeder isn't a good one but when I first read about this, dogs that suffered from it were inbred/poorly bred dogs or dogs from mills and byb's where there really is no quality control with breeding for less medical problems and better temperament. It sounded like something that isn't easily rectified with training, since it has more to do with their chemical/physical makeup.
Is Huxley neutered? What kind of breed is he? Maybe you could find an online message forum for the breed to discuss this and see if other people have similar issues.
Oh, he's not spinning/turning in circles, he has actually created a track out of our backyard. It is like an obstacle course. Airedales require a ton of exercise and during the week my husband can only take him running for 15-30 minutes bc of our work schedules so he goes outside to run.
She's definitely not a byb, she takes this very seriously, I have an absurd amount of medical records for not only him but his parents as well (both of which I have met) and his father placed in Westminster last year. We have his family tree and have talked to other people who have gotten dogs from her, so definitely not inbred. We can't neuter him because of our contract with her. He's currently being shown (and unfortunately doing well so she wants to continue to show him). We did a lot of research on her before getting a dog from her. His behavior is typical Airedale behavior going back and reading about them I can see how some sites and pages I have read played it down. Not being able to neuter him certainly doesn't help but until he gets his "champion" there isn't much we can do.
ETA: And that is the thing I don't get... in the show ring he is AMAZING. Not distracted, stands still, lets the judges check him out... I am tempted to decorate my house to look like a show ring.
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You show Huxley right? Neutering could potentially help, but if you plan to keep showing him that's not an option.
ETA: He sounds a lot like my pit. She's older now and fixed but that was the only time I really saw a difference. We could walk her until we had to drag her home and she'd just rest and be up again (except in the summer if it was very warm). We tried the Thundershirt on her and she hates it. With a passion. I don't use it for company- we used to crate her when company would first arrive until she calmed down and then we'd let her out- we don't use the crate anymore because she's pretty good about not jumping. But when we moved recently, she started getting anxious about thunder and noises from the upstairs neighbors, particularly vacuuming. So we put her in the thundershirt when there's storms or vacuuming. It helps to a point for us, though I know some swear by it.
Yeah, she is still showing him. He seems to enjoy it and he gets so excited to see his breeder when she shows up to take him so I would hate to tell her we're not doing it any more...
I think you're right and the only way we're going to see a difference is if we neuter him. He turns two this November so we decided if he doesn't calm down by the time he is 2 1/2 if he hasn't gotten his champion yet we're going to break our contract and have him neutered. Peace of mind is more important.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
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I just don't know if the collar is the right way to go. Would you think this kind of collar is still cruel?
I know the collar you're talking about. It's more of a thumping feeling. It's not a shock.
I don't think it's cruel. It startles them to get their attention it doesn't hurt them.
I have to say, I don't think it's cruel either. It's redirecting their attention elsewhere. It's no different than the dog whisperer doing his "tsst" thing IMO.
Yes! That describes it much better!
I had to laugh about the dog whisperer "tsst" comment! When we first brought Huxley home we tried that with him and I was cursing Cesar Milan because I swear the man is a wizard because Huxley could not care less when we were doing it! That is who I need in my house! Get me Cesar Milan and his pit bull Daddy!!
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
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You show Huxley right? Neutering could potentially help, but if you plan to keep showing him that's not an option.
ETA: He sounds a lot like my pit. She's older now and fixed but that was the only time I really saw a difference. We could walk her until we had to drag her home and she'd just rest and be up again (except in the summer if it was very warm). We tried the Thundershirt on her and she hates it. With a passion. I don't use it for company- we used to crate her when company would first arrive until she calmed down and then we'd let her out- we don't use the crate anymore because she's pretty good about not jumping. But when we moved recently, she started getting anxious about thunder and noises from the upstairs neighbors, particularly vacuuming. So we put her in the thundershirt when there's storms or vacuuming. It helps to a point for us, though I know some swear by it.
Yeah, she is still showing him. He seems to enjoy it and he gets so excited to see his breeder when she shows up to take him so I would hate to tell her we're not doing it any more...
I think you're right and the only way we're going to see a difference is if we neuter him. He turns two this November so we decided if he doesn't calm down by the time he is 2 1/2 if he hasn't gotten his champion yet we're going to break our contract and have him neutered. Peace of mind is more important.
I have to say neutering did not work for my male. I don't think it's a guarantee by far that it will make their personality change. My male was and IS, 8 years later, pretty much the exact same. Maybe a tiny teeny bit more calm.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Posted by MandJZ
G - have you put him in a Thundershirt during times he is especially crazy, like having people over? You know Lucy is as crazy as they come, but putting her in her shirt really does calm her down. Also, we got a bark collar that sprays citronella at her when she barks and she learned real fast that when wearing the bark collar she should be calm. She has many of the same behaviors you describe - she barks like crazy, jumps on everyone, doesn't realize her size, is destructive etc etc. Even though they don't make her perfect, the bark collar and Thundershirt have helped a lot!
Thanks Mere! I think I need to get him a Thundershirt to try it out. Darwin really needs one for thunderstorms so I might as well get two!
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
Just for the record the collar I referred to is not an e-collar or shock collar. It sprays a very fragrant spray that is totally harmless when the dog barks - no shock or anything really. It has a vibrate option but you can turn it off. Just the spritz and smell themselves startle her enough to stop the behavior, and now just seeing the collar makes her stop.
Definitely try a Thundershirt!
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Huxley is out of control.
You are talking about a citronella collar. Does it have a remote or is it only for barking?
If you are showing him I don't know if you can put any type of electronic collar on him, it could damage the fur on his neck.
Have you tried just keeping him leashed when people are over or when he is becoming mindless? Put him on his leash before you open the door and then step on it. Wherever you are keep him by your side and you can step on the leash while you are visiting with your guests so he can't jump on them. This is one of the best ways to keep your dog focused on you and also helps strengthen your bond. Also, you can immediately correct bad behaviors. With training timing is critically important.
Some dogs do take a long time to settle down. If he is only running 25-30 minutes a day that is not enough for him. How about hiring a dog walker to exercise him. Maybe you can find one who runs.
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Re: Huxley is out of control.
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You are talking about a citronella collar. Does it have a remote or is it only for barking?
If you are showing him I don't know if you can put any type of electronic collar on him, it could damage the fur on his neck.
Have you tried just keeping him leashed when people are over or when he is becoming mindless? Put him on his leash before you open the door and then step on it. Wherever you are keep him by your side and you can step on the leash while you are visiting with your guests so he can't jump on them. This is one of the best ways to keep your dog focused on you and also helps strengthen your bond. Also, you can immediately correct bad behaviors. With training timing is critically important.
Some dogs do take a long time to settle down. If he is only running 25-30 minutes a day that is not enough for him. How about hiring a dog walker to exercise him. Maybe you can find one who runs.
Meredith (MandJZ) was talking about a citronella collar. I wouldn't do an electric collar... the collar the trainer brought over was seriously just a vibration. No citronella, no shock. I tried it on myself and it just vibrated. Like one of the PPs mentioned it is more of a distraction technique. When they would bark I would hit the remote and the collar would vibrate.
I can't find the exact one she had but this is the closest thing.
Vibration Collar
We have tried stepping on the leash but unless my husband is home he will actually knock me over, he's much stronger than I am. We spent three weeks with this dog on leash in the house walking him every where we went. He was miserable. He barked, he pulled, he would cry. He is like a furry shark, he doesn't stop moving. Our house is long and the first floor is open and he will run around, throwing his toys in the air, trying to chase our mini schnauzer (who doesn't want anything to do with him  )
He does get additional play time outside but I don't think it is the constant running he wants/needs. After my husband takes him for that short run he'll still run in the yard or I'll throw him a frisbee or ball. He's not nasty or mean, he's a lovable dog, he tries to be sweet he just doesn't know his own strength. Late at night he will come to try and lay on my lap but he can't even to do that without moving. He'll sit on me, then lay down. They roll so he's hanging half off the couch...
I know part of it is the breed. Airedales are weird. They will show you once or twice they know how to do something but then they are moving on to something else. It wasn't like Darwin where once he learned something he would do it. He did is FASTER if there was something in it for him (that is just terriers I think) but Huxley is more like "I'll sit but first I need to lick your face, find out why that leaf blew by, then take a drink and then I'll be back to sit."
I have thought about the dog walker but I would be concerned he would unintentionally hurt someone by jumping up on them and scratching them. We haven't looked in to it much because when we had one when he was younger, the person came for an hour a day and it didn't make any difference in his energy level.
If I can control the freaking out when people come to the house I can work around the rest. The constant need to be outside then inside and then back outside, the mess he makes when he drinks, the non-stop movement/running/playing, the general goofiness, That is all fine, regular dog stuff. I just haven't been able to get through to him at the front door with the jumping. We have even done the "go to your place" and at any given time he'll go find his bed but if there is someone at the door, forget it. He wouldn't care if there was a steak in "his place." He needs whoever is coming into the house to know he is the most excited to see them he has ever been in his life.
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Huxley is out of control.
Have you consulted Veterinary behaviorist? It sounds like your dog may benefit from working with someone experienced to handle the behavior issues you are describing.
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