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LittleDiva
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I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses“
BOTH sides have to agree to this.
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Hofstra26
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
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I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Agreed. Fox news and NY Post are perfect examples...
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| Posted 1/30/21 3:37 PM |
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LittleDiva
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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Agreed. Fox news and NY Post are perfect examples...
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LittleDiva
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
A big problem is that majority of media outlets no longer report. They give opinions. And the majority of our population aren’t privy to politics and the inner workings so they believe opinions to be facts.
Example...two stations show a big rock that is sitting along the shoreline where families swim and boat.
One station reports how terrible this rock is, it’s dangerous and could kill someone. We need to get rid of this rock immediately. Anyone who thinks this rock isn’t dangerous is dangerous to society and is selfish. It needs to be moved quickly and at any expense because this is a dire situation. People who watch station 2 try to watch with an open mind but just can’t agree and get more angrier as they talk about destroying this rock.
Station 2 spends its time showing off the beauty of the rock. How amazing the world is around us and we should admire the beauty that is our earth. We need to preserve this rock at all costs. People who agree with station 1 watch in horror that people actually feel this way and get angrier and now we divided.
In reality, it’s just a rock. But two stations decided that they wanted to make it into something to divide people and get them up in arms over a rock. They can do this, and they will do this. No one is wrong. We all see the world differently. To some, that rock is scary and dangerous and to others it is perfect. The two stations could have simply stated facts about the rock but they gave their opinions, and interviewed people with the same opinion and never once tried to see the rock from the other side. Obviously this is small scale example and can’t be compared to bigger real issues, just trying to give an example of how the media decides what to make important and can sway you with your opinion.
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JennP
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Wait, so you agree until it applies to the media you enjoy? 
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
The media is a tool. Like any tool, when used properly, it can create beautiful things. When used improperly, it can destroy.
The average person cannot possibly do all of their own investigative journalism on every topic, around the world. That's why the 1st Amendment allows for a Free Press, and it's absolutely necessary.
It's up to the individual to decide what news they want to consume, and from where. There are several third party groups that analyze the news that is reported, and give fairly accurate charts of who is biased, by how much, and in which direction. Not all news is biased. I posted a chart a few days ago with this information. Sticking to sources at the top center will give you News. The farther down and to the sides you go on that chart, the more opinionated it is.
The problem is that a lot of people prefer to consume media that confirms their own biases. It is so much easier to do now than when Malcolm X made that statement before the Internet.
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Hofstra26
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Posted by GoldenRod
The media is a tool. Like any tool, when used properly, it can create beautiful things. When used improperly, it can destroy.
The average person cannot possibly do all of their own investigative journalism on every topic, around the world. That's why the 1st Amendment allows for a Free Press, and it's absolutely necessary.
It's up to the individual to decide what news they want to consume, and from where. There are several third party groups that analyze the news that is reported, and give fairly accurate charts of who is biased, by how much, and in which direction. Not all news is biased. I posted a chart a few days ago with this information. Sticking to sources at the top center will give you News. The farther down and to the sides you go on that chart, the more opinionated it is.
The problem is that a lot of people prefer to consume media that confirms their own biases. It is so much easier to do now than when Malcolm X made that statement before the Internet.
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Fox News declared itself entertainment when it was sued. Their lawyers literally said in a court of law that no one in their right mind would believe tucker and Hannity.
I believe there should be journalistic standards and it should be illegal to call yourself news and then say in court you aren’t news and therefore not accountable for what you say.
Of course news is powerful. This is why the Murdoch’s are willing to lose so much money owning newspapers.
But people are getting more and more news from social media. I am very anti Facebook for the role they’ve played in misinformation and helping foreign actors interfere with our elections. Zuckerberg had blood on his hands.
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
I disagree that, overall, we have two distinct "sides," here or in society at large. There is a political spectrum, of course, but there are many people who fall differently on different issues.
I also agree with what others said. Everyone with a phone camera and/or a keyboard today thinks they're a journalist, when, in reality, journalism is a profession governed by standards and norms. While there is intrinsic bias in any retelling of anything, some outlets hold themselves to these standards and norms, while others compete for ratings in a race to them bottom. nothing is perfect and without flaws, but some outlets are engaging in true journalism, while others are not even pretending to.
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Why did you label this thread "I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X"
That seems very antagonistic, and looking to start a fight, not just a debate.
Why not "What do you think about Malcolm X's comment on the media?" or even "Malcolm X's comment on the media"
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lululu
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Posted by Hofstra26
I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American people.
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Hofstra26
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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Posted by Hofstra26
I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American people.
Statistics would tell you that about half the country is above average intelligence so................
It's the other half that is bringing us all down. 
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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Posted by Hofstra26
I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American people.
I agree.
For example, Michaels in our area closed last week. There was an article published, they interviewed folks from Michaels corporate, they posted where the next closest Michaels was (kind of far). Never once did they mention Michaels was actually moving less than 2 miles down the road.
The uproar on FB over this article was crazy. People thought the article couldn't be wrong so they were arguing with the people who were posting pics of the new Michaels sign.
And this is just a craft store...
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JennP
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
We need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine which holds journalism to certain standards.
It's not the media itself. It's how it's used - as others have said.
Entertainment should not be marketed as news.
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lululu
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American people.
Statistics would tell you that about half the country is above average intelligence so................
It's the other half that is bringing us all down.
Above average intelligence compared to other Americans? Or above average compared to the rest of the world? I'm wondering where you got your statistics from. I'm still gonna go with Americans in general are a stupid bunch no matter what their "intelligence" is and how you are measuring it. Americans are so incredibly influenced by the news media it is completely insane. There should be standards that journalists have to abide by because they do hold so much power. I think it's a combination of grossly irresponsible "journalism" combined with the fact that most Americans will take anything they read or hear at face value.
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Posted by JennP
We need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine which holds journalism to certain standards.
and it needs to be reinstated quickly.
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Hofstra26
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American people.
Statistics would tell you that about half the country is above average intelligence so................
It's the other half that is bringing us all down.
Above average intelligence compared to other Americans? Or above average compared to the rest of the world? I'm wondering where you got your statistics from. I'm still gonna go with Americans in general are a stupid bunch no matter what their "intelligence" is and how you are measuring it. Americans are so incredibly influenced by the news media it is completely insane. There should be standards that journalists have to abide by because they do hold so much power. I think it's a combination of grossly irresponsible "journalism" combined with the fact that most Americans will take anything they read or hear at face value.
My comment relates to basic statistics. There is a statistical median for intelligence/IQ scores which means on a normal distribution 50% of the population will fall above the statistical median for intelligence and 50% will fall below the statistical median.
That aside, there has always been some level of media bias however, until Trump and his relentless and unfounded attacks on the media people actually respected journalism. On the whole, I believe *most* media outlets have journalistic integrity. Unfortunately, those media outlets that do abuse their power are the ones that steal the limelight and give all media a bad name. A free press is an essential part of our democracy and it's a shame that for the the last four years they've been painted as the "enemy of the people". Add to that the willful ignorance of many and it's no wonder there are those who have no respect for journalism anymore. It's really a shame that this is where we are at as a nation.
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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But people are getting more and more news from social media. I am very anti Facebook for the role they’ve played in misinformation and helping foreign actors interfere with our elections. Zuckerberg had blood on his hands.
I agree!!!! Then they share memes!!! It’s infuriating!!!!
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| Posted 2/1/21 10:16 AM |
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lululu
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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I actually don't entirely agree.
Yes, the media is very influential but there are many, many people who have the intelligence, knowledge, and common sense to be able to objectively look at media from various "sides" and sources and formulate their own opinions. Education is everything in life. The more you know and the more educated you are the better you're able to understand the world around you.
It's so important that you don't follow just one media outlet or one news source, especially ones that only serve to fit your agenda and opinion. When you read across various media outlets (left, center and right) as well as educate yourself outside of just mainstream news outlets you can rise above the so called "brainwashing" of media.
I think you are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American people.
Statistics would tell you that about half the country is above average intelligence so................
It's the other half that is bringing us all down.
Above average intelligence compared to other Americans? Or above average compared to the rest of the world? I'm wondering where you got your statistics from. I'm still gonna go with Americans in general are a stupid bunch no matter what their "intelligence" is and how you are measuring it. Americans are so incredibly influenced by the news media it is completely insane. There should be standards that journalists have to abide by because they do hold so much power. I think it's a combination of grossly irresponsible "journalism" combined with the fact that most Americans will take anything they read or hear at face value.
My comment relates to basic statistics. There is a statistical median for intelligence/IQ scores which means on a normal distribution 50% of the population will fall above the statistical median for intelligence and 50% will fall below the statistical median.
That aside, there has always been some level of media bias however, until Trump and his relentless and unfounded attacks on the media people actually respected journalism. On the whole, I believe *most* media outlets have journalistic integrity. Unfortunately, those media outlets that do abuse their power are the ones that steal the limelight and give all media a bad name. A free press is an essential part of our democracy and it's a shame that for the the last four years they've been painted as the "enemy of the people". Add to that the willful ignorance of many and it's no wonder there are those who have no respect for journalism anymore. It's really a shame that this is where we are at as a nation.
Yes I understood how you were coming up with your statistics but saying Americans are stupid clearly I am implying that we are stupid compared to the rest of the human population. Comparing us to ourselves is somewhat pointless, no?
As far as your second paragraph is concerned I completely disagree that Trumps attacks on the media were unfounded. Prior to Trump there has been talk in many circles for years about the damage the mainstream media is doing to this country as far as not presenting a complete picture and if you disagree with that you should think about how Trump got elected in the first place. I believe the MAIN reason that he got elected is because the mainstream media refused to take him seriously and basically laughed the whole thing off. If they were true journalists they would have investigated what was going on in our country and they would have seen that Trump was a real threat. But they didn't and so people didn't know what hit them when he actually did get elected.
I have absolutely no respect for the media because they no longer present the facts. Everything has a spin on it and some things are just outright lies. I have family that were recently the subject of a major news story and I can tell you about 50% of what was being reported was completely false. I am sure that this was not an isolated incident. The government needs to step in and hold journalists responsible when they deliberately manipulate facts. But that's just my opinion.
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lululu
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
Back to the original comment I don't really see how anyone can disagree. Look at the Central Park 5 and how that played out.
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Hofstra26
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lulu.......... Trump absolutely, 100% and without question turned this country on the free press. That's not even debatable. His actions are why we are in a position where people would sooner believe some conspiracy site before an article on MSNBC.
Quite honestly, the news media is FAR less a threat than social media. FB, Twitter, Parler, Instagram and every conspiracy driven social media site has made people idiots. Memes aren't facts, FB isn't gospel, Twitter is a joke and unless we set standards for those types of platforms, the dumbing down of this nation will continue. It's frightening how many people get their information EXCLUSIVELY from social media. Social media platforms make it entirely too easy to spread misinformation and lies to the masses. Social media is the biggest challenge we face nowadays. No doubt.
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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lulu.......... Trump absolutely, 100% and without question turned this country on the free press. That's not even debatable. His actions are why we are in a position where people would sooner believe some conspiracy site before an article on MSNBC.
Quite honestly, the news media is FAR less a threat than social media. FB, Twitter, Parler, Instagram and every conspiracy driven social media site has made people idiots. Memes aren't facts, FB isn't gospel, Twitter is a joke and unless we set standards for those types of platforms, the dumbing down of this nation will continue. It's frightening how many people get their information EXCLUSIVELY from social media. Social media platforms make it entirely too easy to spread misinformation and lies to the masses. Social media is the biggest challenge we face nowadays. No doubt.
Okay - That is your opinion that Trump turned the country on the media. I believe many people had already believed that the media was completely biased and unreliable long before Trump. I get it, you hate Trump. Everyone knows you hate Trump but if you can not see that Trump took advantage of something that was already a MAJOR contention for a lot of American people then you are blind. And frankly you are giving him too much credit. I think that your hatred for him distorts your view of reality in certain cases. With Trump you see red and you can't see the underlying forces that were already in motion in this country that Trump exploited to his benefit. That is my opinion. And above is YOUR opinion which I can respect but please don't say something with 100% certainty that you can not possibly back up with facts.
And the fact that social media and things that people take at face value that they see on social media is a threat goes back to my point. The American people in general are a very unintelligent group.
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lululu
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And I just want to add that this is where the post derails and it turns into me being some type of gun toting Trump loving republican which is why I think that I need to get off this board again!
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Re: I dare you to disagree with Malcolm X
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... And above is YOUR opinion which I can respect but please don't say something with 100% certainty that you can not possibly back up with facts.
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I have absolutely no respect for the media because they no longer present the facts. Everything has a spin on it and some things are just outright lies.
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Could you point out the AP news articles that aren't fact, or are outright lies?
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