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MissJones
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I just don't understand how common core is supposed to "even" everything??? I would imagine that students who come from lower economic areas (and are more likely to come from homes with little to no supervision) struggle with this curriculum and assessments. How does this help those students???
My honest opinion? It will further separate the classes.
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2boys1girl
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If your child is in a testing grade...
My children's principal who is also the superintendent of the school district is one of Cuomo's hunch men...We have to be one of the biggest common core pusher school districts on long island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-R15x3dzc
Video from Eastport-South Manor Common Core Hearing on November 26, 2013 hosted by NYS Senate. Testifying is Dr. Charles Russo the Superintendent of East Moriches School District -- Governor Cuomo's appointee to stack the deck on Common Core.
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Chatham-Chick
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by 2boys1girl
My children's principal who is also the superintendent of the school district is one of Cuomo's hunch men...We have to be one of the biggest common core pusher school districts on long island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-R15x3dzc
Video from Eastport-South Manor Common Core Hearing on November 26, 2013 hosted by NYS Senate. Testifying is Dr. Charles Russo the Superintendent of East Moriches School District -- Governor Cuomo's appointee to stack the deck on Common Core.
That was difficult to watch. Terrible pitch man for Common Core.
I keep hoping to stumble an independent educator who is a proponent of Common Core so I can get the other side of the coin, but they've been few and far between. 
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Chatham-Chick
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
A friend posted this video on FB:
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| Posted 3/17/15 12:32 PM |
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by 2boys1girl
My children's principal who is also the superintendent of the school district is one of Cuomo's hunch men...We have to be one of the biggest common core pusher school districts on long island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-R15x3dzc
Video from Eastport-South Manor Common Core Hearing on November 26, 2013 hosted by NYS Senate. Testifying is Dr. Charles Russo the Superintendent of East Moriches School District -- Governor Cuomo's appointee to stack the deck on Common Core.
Wow. That was painful. With all due respect, this man is out of touch with reality! Ridiculous speech.
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I just don't understand how common core is supposed to "even" everything??? I would imagine that students who come from lower economic areas (and are more likely to come from homes with little to no supervision) struggle with this curriculum and assessments. How does this help those students???
My honest opinion? It will further separate the classes.
ITA.
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juanvi
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Is it true the district loses funding if the majority opt out of the test?
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itsbabytime
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by cj7305
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I just don't understand how common core is supposed to "even" everything??? I would imagine that students who come from lower economic areas (and are more likely to come from homes with little to no supervision) struggle with this curriculum and assessments. How does this help those students???
My honest opinion? It will further separate the classes.
ITA.
I am starting to see this is the case. It is interesting to see that the more "affluent" wealthy districts have very very small number of opt outs. They just get tutors to help the kids rock the test.
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StarsStripes
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by cj7305
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I just don't understand how common core is supposed to "even" everything??? I would imagine that students who come from lower economic areas (and are more likely to come from homes with little to no supervision) struggle with this curriculum and assessments. How does this help those students???
My honest opinion? It will further separate the classes.
ITA.
I am starting to see this is the case. It is interesting to see that the more "affluent" wealthy districts have very very small number of opt outs. They just get tutors to help the kids rock the test.
That is not always true. Teachers across the board (unless they live under a rock, IMO) do not support the test. Even in an affluent district, like Great Neck for example (who has a teacher currently in a lawsuit with the state); if a child's score drops from a 95 to a 94, that teacher is rated ineffective because the score went down; even though they scored so high. SO , teachers will most likely want to only teach middle of the road kids whose scores will most likely go up. The whole thing is a cluster you know what.
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by juanvi
Is it true the district loses funding if the majority opt out of the test?
This has yet to happen & I don't think it will. Here is some info on it:
MYTH: States and districts will lose Title I Funding for our schools because of opt out
FACT: Your district will not lose federal funds because of opt out There is no federal or state law that requires penalties for schools or districts if parents opt out or refuse the test. The federal No Child Left Behind (NCLB) law did include a mandate that required schools to have a 95% participation rate on state tests or face sanctions. However, since 2014, Illinois has had a waiver to NCLB that replaces those sanctions with a new accountability system. The IL NCLB waiver says that to receive points on factors in the Multiple Measures Index (MMI) used to grade schools that depend on test results, schools must have participation sufficient for results to meet a 95% confidence level. If large enough numbers opt out, a school or district could fail to meet that confidence level. Schools that do not meet their MMI targets are “priority schools” and are targeted for interventions. Priority schools are primarily designated as such by being in the lowest 5% of schools based on various performance ratings. Note that interventions for priority schools do n ot include withholding of funds. Additionally, we know of no cases in other states where schools have been identified as “priority schools” solely on the basis of low participation rates. There have been schools that did not meet participation rates last spring in New York State, and even some in Chicago as well. One year on from massive opt outs, there have been no consequences.
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Here is another more simple answer to the funding question:
There is not wording that specifically states schools will lose funds, only that Title 1 money will be reallocated. Title 1 money is usually a small amount that is generally equal to the amount spent on test materials, test prep, and subs so teachers can grade exams. Additionally, there have been school districts on Long Island that have had high refusal numbers with no consequence.
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juanvi
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by cj7305
Here is another more simple answer to the funding question:
There is not wording that specifically states schools will lose funds, only that Title 1 money will be reallocated. Title 1 money is usually a small amount that is generally equal to the amount spent on test materials, test prep, and subs so teachers can grade exams. Additionally, there have been school districts on Long Island that have had high refusal numbers with no consequence.
Thank you. Where was this info found?
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by juanvi
Posted by cj7305
Here is another more simple answer to the funding question:
There is not wording that specifically states schools will lose funds, only that Title 1 money will be reallocated. Title 1 money is usually a small amount that is generally equal to the amount spent on test materials, test prep, and subs so teachers can grade exams. Additionally, there have been school districts on Long Island that have had high refusal numbers with no consequence.
Thank you. Where was this info found?
Sure. I'll see if I can find the link.
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
This link has some good info including facts/myths.
https://stopcommoncorenys.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/why-refuse/
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sfp0701
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by cj7305
Posted by juanvi
Posted by cj7305
Here is another more simple answer to the funding question:
There is not wording that specifically states schools will lose funds, only that Title 1 money will be reallocated. Title 1 money is usually a small amount that is generally equal to the amount spent on test materials, test prep, and subs so teachers can grade exams. Additionally, there have been school districts on Long Island that have had high refusal numbers with no consequence.
Thank you. Where was this info found?
Sure. I'll see if I can find the link.
Here is the information from the NYSAPE page. It has all the information you need.
http://www.nysape.org/if-my-child-refuses-state-tests-will-my-school-lose-funding.htmllink to nysape
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Michelle1110
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I just don't understand how common core is supposed to "even" everything??? I would imagine that students who come from lower economic areas (and are more likely to come from homes with little to no supervision) struggle with this curriculum and assessments. How does this help those students???
My honest opinion? It will further separate the classes.
Crashing - but the term "even" everything originally was to mean even out education throughout the country.
And you are correct - it doesn't even anything out.
I'm a strong supporter of common core. STRONG. Common core is a set of standards every student should be able to meet. HOWEVER, it's the implementation that has gotten lost, taken over by money hungry companies and politicians.
It's such a shame that almost half my rating is based on student test scores, when THEY DONT EVEN COUNT FOR THE STUDENTS.
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Michelle1110
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by itsbabytime
My child will be in a testing grade next year. I truly have not heard of anyone in my district opting out so if they are doing it, it's being done very quietly.
My question is this - if you are in a district that uses these tests as a main basis for placement of the kids in enriched math (year ahead), science, and ELA and you know that you have a very smart kid that belongs in these classes and will be bored out of their mind if they are not in it - HOW do you not take the test? Do you go to the principal and discuss? But, I can't imagine the other parents won't go nuts about the unfairness of your child getting into the program without taking these tests when there are kids that could get in on all other factors but, don't perform well. Especially teachers, pls let me know how you get around this I am very interested.
THANK YOU!
ETA: I am not referring to G and T programs which are decided not on the ELA type tests but the IQ type of testing...
I remember your post from the last time this topic came up. You are honestly the only district I've heard of that uses these tests for any type of placement. Are you 100% certain that they use these tests for that? Have you spoken to the Superintendent?
Our district had a 60% refusal rate last year, and I'm sure it will be higher this year. My daughter is of testing age next year also, and she won't be testing.
Bargain mama - with 60% of your district opting out, how are the teachers rated? Genuine question. Just wondering if the impact of those who do test becomes greater.
NOT SAYING this is a reason to not opt out; just curious what happens.
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Letter from Superintendent of Syosset Schools.
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| Posted 3/23/15 10:25 PM |
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Awesome letter from Syosset! SO glad to see more and more administrators speaking out and taking a stand. Check this out from Comsewogue!
http://thepjsta.org/2015/03/23/comsewogue-may-consider-refusal-to-administer-nys-tests/
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busymomonli
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
BIG news:
Comswogue district may be the first district to actually refuse to administer tests!!
Comsewogue news
The Board of Education of the Comsewogue Union Free School District has serious concerns about current and proposed New York State education policy. We believe as elected representatives of the Comsewogue community we have an obligation not only to provide our students with a sound, basic education, but to provide them with a supportive and encouraging environment in which they can develop at their own pace. This environment also seeks to support the dedicated educators of our schools, encouraging best practices and collaboration, as opposed to competition. The current funding and evaluation policies, as well as Governor Cuomo’s proposed reforms are contradictory to that intent.
Unless Governor Cuomo and the State Legislators establish a fair and equitable state aid funding formula which adequately provides funding for ALL school districts throughout the state so they can provide for the educational needs of every child in New York State
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Comply with the court ordered removal of the Gap Elimination Adjustment thereby providing school districts with the necessary funding already owed to them
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Unless Governor Cuomo and the State Legislators suspend the current teacher and administrator evaluation regulations using student test data for 20% of the total score
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Abandon Governor Cuomo’s proposal to expand the use of student test data to 50% for teacher and administrator evaluations
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Without these efforts, The Comsewogue Board of Education believes that New York State leadership is proceeding with policy that is detrimental to our students, faculty and administrators. These misguided funding and evaluation policies seek to further an agenda of blame and punishment, instead of support and development.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED
The Board of Education of the Comsewogue School District will seriously consider not administering the New York State standardized ELA and Math exams in grades 3-8, and the Science exam in grades 4 and 8.
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busymomonli
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If your child is in a testing grade...
Sorry, didn't see someone above me posted the link. This is awesome!
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LDrinkh20
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
I am SO happy to see this conversation happening. If my son was school aged here is NO WAY he would be taking this exam. This test is not just about YOUR child. It is about NYS education as a whole. I am a music teacher and with Cuomo's new plan, half of my rating will be based on ELA and Math scores. Does that make sense? He is using your children as pawns for his own money-making agenda. Please please please do your research and refuse!
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cj7305
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
Posted by LDrinkh20
I am SO happy to see this conversation happening. If my son was school aged here is NO WAY he would be taking this exam. This test is not just about YOUR child. It is about NYS education as a whole. I am a music teacher and with Cuomo's new plan, half of my rating will be based on ELA and Math scores. Does that make sense? He is using your children as pawns for his own money-making agenda. Please please please do your research and refuse!
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juanvi
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dawnygirl25
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Re: If your child is in a testing grade...
opted out.
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