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LIMOMx2
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In a surrounding district - 10 children...
in Kindergarten last year had to be left back. Out of all 10, none of them went to preschool before entering Kindergarten.
I thought that was so interesting.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Wow... they leave kindergartner's back????
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| Posted 9/11/08 11:24 PM |
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
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Wow... they leave kindergartner's back????
that was my thought too.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Not to get off the subject but DH's friend teaches special ed Kindergarten. I wonder how they determine these things.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by KristinasMama
Wow... they leave kindergartner's back????
Yes, they actually do. My brother is 10 months older than me and he was asked to repeat K. He ended up being in the same grade as me from then on. This was 30 years ago, and he was classified as learning disabled. Nowadays, he'd be on some sort of spectrum!
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
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Wow... they leave kindergartner's back????
Yes, they actually do. My brother is 10 months older than me and he was asked to repeat K. He ended up being in the same grade as me from then on. This was 30 years ago, and he was classified as learning disabled. Nowadays, he'd be on some sort of spectrum!
I don't know if you or he remember this, but I'm curious Trish....
Did it upset him? I would think that such a young child would be very hurt by it, and it might not be good for them developmentally.....
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by KristinasMama
Posted by chmlengr
Posted by KristinasMama
Wow... they leave kindergartner's back????
Yes, they actually do. My brother is 10 months older than me and he was asked to repeat K. He ended up being in the same grade as me from then on. This was 30 years ago, and he was classified as learning disabled. Nowadays, he'd be on some sort of spectrum!
I don't know if you or he remember this, but I'm curious Trish....
Did it upset him? I would think that such a young child would be very hurt by it, and it might not be good for them developmentally.....
I honestly don't know.... If I had to guess, I would say my brother had no idea he was "repeating". At the time, we was in K at the local public school and the very next year when I was to start K, the Catholic school opened up a K class and my mom sent us there, so he actually ended up going to a different school, hence why he probably didn't know.
As we got older, I hated it  Not only did people think we were twins, but he was in remedial classes and I wasn't and let's just say kids can be mean  Plus he always told my parents everything I did at school
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| Posted 9/11/08 11:45 PM |
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
i taught k for 4 years and i'm in 1st now will tell you that we retained children, but we had to look very closely at the factors.
children who need to be staffed for special services and haven't been staffed yet are made to repeat as an intervention
children who do not know all/most of the letters, who cannot associate phonetic prinicples, who do not know how to count - can't make it in 1st where the curriculum moves very fast and there is very little time to help them adjust in the beginning of the year.
k now is not what k was when we were in school. now end of the year k students are expected to count to 100 by 1, 2, 5, 10; add/subtract single digit numbers (# varies by state standard);read books at a level (usually B/C) - again it varies by state/district standard; write phoentically where another adult/child would be able to read and understand it - no letter strings
so jfilekjkfdlasijk isn't accepted but i lik to go owtsid wit my frnds n pla basbol - would be accepted
teachers generally retain students who eventually will recieve services.
In my 4 years in k, I've retained 6 kids and of those 6, I know 5 are now receiving services. the 6th one moved.
it's very obvious at the end who does not need to move on - very, painfully obvious
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by ziamaria
i taught k for 4 years and i'm in 1st now will tell you that we retained children, but we had to look very closely at the factors.
children who need to be staffed for special services and haven't been staffed yet are made to repeat as an intervention
children who do not know all/most of the letters, who cannot associate phonetic prinicples, who do not know how to count - can't make it in 1st where the curriculum moves very fast and there is very little time to help them adjust in the beginning of the year.
k now is not what k was when we were in school. now end of the year k students are expected to count to 100 by 1, 2, 5, 10; add/subtract single digit numbers (# varies by state standard);read books at a level (usually B/C) - again it varies by state/district standard; write phoentically where another adult/child would be able to read and understand it - no letter strings
so jfilekjkfdlasijk isn't accepted but i lik to go owtsid wit my frnds n pla basbol - would be accepted
teachers generally retain students who eventually will recieve services.
it's very obvious at the end who does not need to move on - very, painfully obvious
as a former K teacher, i agree. some kids just are not ready for 1st grade. a lot of them (especially boys) are young for the grade and probably shouldn't have been pushed ahead into K yet.
K is the only grade a district will usually retain a child in.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
I would be curious in knowing the exact situations not specifically that they didnt go to preschool.
Reason being is I am so worried when the right time is to put Gilly into a regular in school program vs and outside licensed daycare...KWIM...
I am kinda tossed. WHile I feel like she is learning, I always wonder if all the other children are learning more. She is definitely age appropriate at all she does.
I wonder if these were people that were sheltered or actually went out to programs and saw alot. Regardless, you have to admit in general school is very different and more demanding then when we were kids. I went to Kindergarten for 3 hrs and did silly things in class not computers etc...
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by ziamaria
i taught k for 4 years and i'm in 1st now will tell you that we retained children, but we had to look very closely at the factors.
children who need to be staffed for special services and haven't been staffed yet are made to repeat as an intervention
children who do not know all/most of the letters, who cannot associate phonetic prinicples, who do not know how to count - can't make it in 1st where the curriculum moves very fast and there is very little time to help them adjust in the beginning of the year.
k now is not what k was when we were in school. now end of the year k students are expected to count to 100 by 1, 2, 5, 10; add/subtract single digit numbers (# varies by state standard);read books at a level (usually B/C) - again it varies by state/district standard; write phoentically where another adult/child would be able to read and understand it - no letter strings
so jfilekjkfdlasijk isn't accepted but i lik to go owtsid wit my frnds n pla basbol - would be accepted
teachers generally retain students who eventually will recieve services.
In my 4 years in k, I've retained 6 kids and of those 6, I know 5 are now receiving services. the 6th one moved.
it's very obvious at the end who does not need to move on - very, painfully obvious
Your scaring me 
They need to know how to do addition and subtraction at 5? and counting every 4th and fifth number...yikes! My dd's 20 months old...I better get the ball rolling...LOL
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Kindergarten is actually the best grade to retain in....they are so resilient at that age. That being said, school is so intense now. Kindergarten is like the old first grade. They are expected to do so much. Even though 10 children is alot, I can see this happening being that they never went to preschool. I wouldn't say that it had anything to do with the district.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Well since K is optional, the parents would have had to agree to that.
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| Posted 9/12/08 1:00 PM |
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by want2beamom
Kindergarten is actually the best grade to retain in....they are so resilient at that age. That being said, school is so intense now. Kindergarten is like the old first grade. They are expected to do so much. Even though 10 children is alot, I can see this happening being that they never went to preschool. I wouldn't say that it had anything to do with the district.
I don't think it had anything to do with the district at all!! I think it is the fact like you said the Kindergarten is so much different now.
My boss' son had to know before the 1st day, how many dimes went into a dollar and so on. That seems tough for a 5 yr old.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by Summerrluvv
Well since K is optional, the parents would have had to agree to that.
Really? In NY? OMG that would be even worse if the parent's didn't agree to it and let them go on to 1st Grade
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by ziamaria
i taught k for 4 years and i'm in 1st now will tell you that we retained children, but we had to look very closely at the factors.
children who need to be staffed for special services and haven't been staffed yet are made to repeat as an intervention
children who do not know all/most of the letters, who cannot associate phonetic prinicples, who do not know how to count - can't make it in 1st where the curriculum moves very fast and there is very little time to help them adjust in the beginning of the year.
k now is not what k was when we were in school. now end of the year k students are expected to count to 100 by 1, 2, 5, 10; add/subtract single digit numbers (# varies by state standard);read books at a level (usually B/C) - again it varies by state/district standard; write phoentically where another adult/child would be able to read and understand it - no letter strings
so jfilekjkfdlasijk isn't accepted but i lik to go owtsid wit my frnds n pla basbol - would be accepted
teachers generally retain students who eventually will recieve services.
In my 4 years in k, I've retained 6 kids and of those 6, I know 5 are now receiving services. the 6th one moved.
it's very obvious at the end who does not need to move on - very, painfully obvious
What district did you teach in? I'm a little surprised they would hold kids back that need services. As a teacher, can't you tell early on in the year who needs services and who doesn't? Why would a take an entire school year to get services?
My son is dev. delayed. He's never been held back. He's behind academically and just continues to receive the help he needs each year.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Preschool is definitely a factor, but honestly unless the child is found to have special needs, it's a reflection on the parents too.
It doesn't matter if you send your child to preschool or not, why not work with you child at home on these concepts? Especially if you suspect he/she is lagging behind.
My dad completely taught me how to read, well before starting kindergarten... and it was my mom who was home with me so my dad managed to do this just after work and on weekends. My DS just turned 2 1/2 and can independently spell out a handful of words with his fridge magnets, and we play addition/subtraction games just by using simple things like blocks or crackers, etc. I think his intelligence is good but certainly not a prodigy, but I love spending time with him on things like this, and I think it will benefit him SO much in the long run.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by Disneygirl
Not to get off the subject but DH's friend teaches special ed Kindergarten. I wonder how they determine these things.
My son went to school with the same kids (special education) from K to 2nd grade, none of them were held back. Maybe classfication exempts them from holding back, I'm not sure.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by want2beamom
Kindergarten is actually the best grade to retain in....they are so resilient at that age. That being said, school is so intense now. Kindergarten is like the old first grade. They are expected to do so much. Even though 10 children is alot, I can see this happening being that they never went to preschool. I wouldn't say that it had anything to do with the district.
ITA.
Things are are sooo different now...
The pre-k children in the school I work for were READING by December last school year...
Someone from the district sat in on a class, and made it a point to say how they wish pre-k was mandated, because you've got children who have been attending school (like the one I work for)since birth and come in reading on a 1st-2nd grade level and then you got others who have been home watching TV and dont even know there alphabet.
The children all come in on different levels and its makes it hard for the teachers....(and really for the kids as well)
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by ziamaria
i taught k for 4 years and i'm in 1st now will tell you that we retained children, but we had to look very closely at the factors.
children who need to be staffed for special services and haven't been staffed yet are made to repeat as an intervention
children who do not know all/most of the letters, who cannot associate phonetic prinicples, who do not know how to count - can't make it in 1st where the curriculum moves very fast and there is very little time to help them adjust in the beginning of the year.
k now is not what k was when we were in school. now end of the year k students are expected to count to 100 by 1, 2, 5, 10; add/subtract single digit numbers (# varies by state standard);read books at a level (usually B/C) - again it varies by state/district standard; write phoentically where another adult/child would be able to read and understand it - no letter strings
so jfilekjkfdlasijk isn't accepted but i lik to go owtsid wit my frnds n pla basbol - would be accepted
teachers generally retain students who eventually will recieve services.
In my 4 years in k, I've retained 6 kids and of those 6, I know 5 are now receiving services. the 6th one moved.
it's very obvious at the end who does not need to move on - very, painfully obvious
What district did you teach in? I'm a little surprised they would hold kids back that need services. As a teacher, can't you tell early on in the year who needs services and who doesn't? Why would a take an entire school year to get services?
My son is dev. delayed. He's never been held back. He's behind academically and just continues to receive the help he needs each year.
i taught in fl and they wouldn't allow testing for processing issues without adequate interventions - i.e. extra 1 on 1 time each day w/student, support at home, small goals to meet each month, etc. then they were retained as an additional intervention and if all of that didn't help the child, they proceeded with the testing.
some schools tested faster than others - sad to say - and generally we knew who was really lagging but we had to go through all of the interventions first to help them as best we could. 
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
That's not to say that children that go to pre-K will not be left back. Or, that all children who do not go to pre-K will be left back.
pre-k is becoming the new kindergarten, for goodness sake, and that's not even talking nursery school.
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Re: In a surrounding district - 10 children...
the problem is preschool is not cheap. if you start them out at 2 years old you need to continue until kindergarden and based on the birthday it could be 3 years. my problem with the program my daughter is in is shes is the oldest in the class. (she missed the cut off) has the largest vocabulary (10 boys 4 girls) and is the only one potty trained. i asked her if the kids talk to her in class and she says no. i wonder if they cant speak as well as her and she chooses not to communicate or they are not on the same level as her. i did speak to the director to see if she can be pushed to 3yr program since the curriculum for the year is not her speed. they learn to count 1-5, colors and shapes. my daughter can count to 20, 10 in spanish count backwards from 5, knows all letters and recognition, all basic colors and shapes.
i wonder about the children who already know the material and are bored with it why teachers dont make an effort to help these children.
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